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[- Archangel -]

OK the free goodies for buying specific versions, for preordering, and for buying from a specific outlet have been discussed ad nauseum, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THEM!

What other free content is there?

Dragon Age: Journeys Gives:

Embri's Many Pockets
Helm of the Deep
Amulet of the War Mage

Uploading Character to Social Network Gives

Lucky Stone

Are there any other ways to acquire goodies?

Modifié par - Archangel -, 24 octobre 2009 - 02:03 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Nope, pretty sure DLC/Pre-orders/CE are the only non-Journeys method of getting special items.

[Ekardt]

Uploading a character using the Character creator gives you one.

[- Archangel -]

Ekardt wrote...

Uploading a character using the Character creator gives you one.

GOOD ONE !

I'll add it to my post.

[Arttis]

I think im not gonna chase after all the DLC...all it will say for future games is,instead of putting the regular items in the game lets make everyone play/pay at these specific places and do this for it.Instead of putting it into the game.Don't fall for the trap!Soon you will be ordering and doing things for the stuff you should have had in the first place...

[- Archangel -]

Someone is bitter....and whiny.

[Flamin Jesus]

Arttis wrote...

I think im not gonna chase after all the DLC...all it will say for future games is,instead of putting the regular items in the game lets make everyone play/pay at these specific places and do this for it.Instead of putting it into the game.Don't fall for the trap!Soon you will be ordering and doing things for the stuff you should have had in the first place...

I've been telling them for years, but do they listen? No, instead we get posts like "Please BioWare release these items as DLC! I'll pay 10$ for them!" or "I buy the CE because it has additional ingame items which should actually be in all versions of the game."...

On the other hand, jumping through a few hoops for ingame stuff, especially if it's a nice timewaster like Journeys, isn't really a bad thing methinks...

[- Archangel -]

Considering almost all of this DLC is free for most people I can conclude the whiners are mostly whining just to hear themselves whine.

[Flamin Jesus]

- Archangel - wrote...

Considering almost all of this DLC is free for most people I can conclude the whiners are mostly whining just to hear themselves whine.

Since you're talking in the plural, I have to assume you include me, another option would be reading the second paragraph of my post.

EDIT: But please, don't let mere facts stand in the way of your high horse, mylord. Those are for simpletons.

Modifié par Flamin Jesus, 24 octobre 2009 - 02:13 .

[- Archangel -]

I read your post, it was a whine about DLC, your second paragraph doesn't negate that.

DLC is here to stay, get used to it. It is a great deterrent to the second hand game market (which doesn't bother me at all). It's also another revenue stream devs can exploit (I like this one less, but as long as the devs don't go nuts it doesn't bother me much).

But again, considering most of this is free if you get the CE or DDE there is little to complain about about. Those of us getting the CE or DDE aren't going cry for people who don't want to pay to get the extra goodies. I view the complaints pretty much as I would view the complaints of a person buying the standard edition and then crying about not getting the nice case or cloth map.

Modifié par - Archangel -, 24 octobre 2009 - 02:24 .

[Arttis]

Talking about the future and how its gonna end up costing you more for the same.

[Flamin Jesus]

Erm, you got that mixed up there, mylord, I didn't complain about reasonable DLC, much less about the Stone Prisoner (Which comes free with all copies, not just CE and DDE, but as we have already established, a gentleman of your calibre doesn't have to dirty his hands with pedestrian matters of tangible reality), not even about the Warden's Keep DLC (Which only comes free with the DDE, but was sufficiently and believably explained by BW, not that such rubish matters would concern you).

I complained about customers who are supporting bad business practices (Like the examples I stated, which were paraphrased from this forum), which is a little insincere considering I have the CE on pre-order, but at least I didn't buy it for those three items (and THOSE were what I am complaining about) but for the things that actually SHOULD hold a CE apart from the standard edition (Namely Cloth map and nice box, as well as making of DVD, in other words, things that have nothing to do with the ingame content).

I want to buy a CE because I like to support the game in question with a little extra money or because I like the goodies they throw in, or because I really care about a game, publishers who try to make everyone buy a CE just to get the complete game follow an anti-customer philosophy.

[Sornin]

- Archangel - wrote...

Considering almost all of this DLC is free for most people I can conclude the whiners are mostly whining just to hear themselves whine.

It is not "whiny" to desire the full game when you pay full price. Marketing has somehow convinced consumers that they should not feel entitled to getting all of a product for their dollar and instead need to participate in mass marketing and viral advertising to get it all.

I remember the good ol' days, not long ago, when on release day you could walk into a store, plunk down $50, and walk away with the full game. If you want the full game nowadays you often need to:

1.) Follow the game for months ahead of release to know what offers there are
2.) Pre-order
3.) Buy the Collector's Edition
4.) Sign up on a forum
5.) Participate in various marketing activities that build brand loyalty

Heck, now you even need to buy other games to get the full content in another! I am looking at you, Blood Dragon Armor in Mass Effect 2. That is the worst sort of cross-promotion I have seen.

If you show up on release day now, you do not get the full game. You get the majority of it, to be sure, but those little marketing goodies are gone.

All of this stuff is not for the consumer, it is for profit. I have nothing against that at an ideological level, as businesses need to make money, but do not think it is good for the consumer for one second. All of these bonus items are bits of code that are virtually free for the company to include, but are held at ransom to us.

I am not against paid content that adds genuine value - I do not want anyone getting that impression. That is great stuff, as it extends the life and enjoymenyt of the game. However, promotional bonuses are just terrible and I hate jumping through marketing hoops like a trained chimp to get the little reward at the end but, since I want the complete game, I do it.

[- Archangel -]

Is the DLC required for the game?



So basically you guys are crying because people who are paying more are getting more than you. Welcome to the world of being an Adult. Do you cry because the guy who paid $30k for his car has a nicer car than the one you paid $10k for?



To me your posts just wreak of an entitlement mentality.

[Flamin Jesus]

- Archangel - wrote...

Is the DLC required for the game?

So basically you guys are crying because people who are paying more are getting more than you. Welcome to the world of being an Adult. Do you cry because the guy who paid $30k for his car has a nicer car than the one you paid $10k for?

To me your posts just wreak of an entitlement mentality.

You don't even bother reading all this, do you? 

[- Archangel -]

Sornin wrote...

- Archangel - wrote...

Considering almost all of this DLC is free for most people I can conclude the whiners are mostly whining just to hear themselves whine.

It is not "whiny" to desire the full game when you pay full price. Marketing has somehow convinced consumers that they should not feel entitled to getting all of a product for their dollar and instead need to participate in mass marketing and viral advertising to get it all.

I remember the good ol' days, not long ago, when on release day you could walk into a store, plunk down $50, and walk away with the full game. If you want the full game nowadays you often need to:

1.) Follow the game for months ahead of release to know what offers there are
2.) Pre-order
3.) Buy the Collector's Edition
4.) Sign up on a forum
5.) Participate in various marketing activities that build brand loyalty

Heck, now you even need to buy other games to get the full content in another! I am looking at you, Blood Dragon Armor in Mass Effect 2. That is the worst sort of cross-promotion I have seen.

If you show up on release day now, you do not get the full game. You get the majority of it, to be sure, but those little marketing goodies are gone.

All of this stuff is not for the consumer, it is for profit. I have nothing against that at an ideological level, as businesses need to make money, but do not think it is good for the consumer for one second. All of these bonus items are bits of code that are virtually free for the company to include, but are held at ransom to us.

I am not against paid content that adds genuine value - I do not want anyone getting that impression. That is great stuff, as it extends the life and enjoymenyt of the game. However, promotional bonuses are just terrible and I hate jumping through marketing hoops like a trained chimp to get the little reward at the end but, since I want the complete game, I do it.

No matter what the entitlement crowd has taught you, if you buy the basic edition you are getting the "full" game.  All of these other things are extras.  Not having them will not affect you playing the "full" game.  What you really have is you want to pay the bare minimum and get everything that people who paid more got.

I submit to you that if the difference between the standard edition and the CE or DDE is a finncial burden for you, maybe you shouldn't be buying games in the first place.

[Flamin Jesus]

- Archangel - wrote...

No matter what the entitlement crowd has taught you, if you buy the basic edition you are getting the "full" game.  All of these other things are extras.  Not having them will not affect you playing the "full" game.  What you really have is you want to pay the bare minimum and get everything that people who paid more got.

I submit to you that if the difference between the standard edition and the CE or DDE is a finncial burden for you, maybe you shouldn't be buying games in the first place.

Say, am I talking to a wall? I'm actually GETTING those items with my CE, and I'm not some pauper who complains he doesn't get a free meal, that doesn't mean such business practices are RIGHT or that I should only care about myself and what I get.

[Arttis]

What the full game is depends on the developers.They could have easily made stone prisoner something you need to buy.

[- Archangel -]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

- Archangel - wrote...

Is the DLC required for the game?

So basically you guys are crying because people who are paying more are getting more than you. Welcome to the world of being an Adult. Do you cry because the guy who paid $30k for his car has a nicer car than the one you paid $10k for?

To me your posts just wreak of an entitlement mentality.

You don't even bother reading all this, do you? 

I've read your drivel.  It's you crying about DLC and calling it bad business.  I conclude you have no effing clue about business.  Here's a hint, good business isn't to make you happy, it's to make the company money.  DLC does that on two fronts, hurting the second hand market so people buy new instead, and people buying the DLC.  The company is only interested in keeping you just happy enough to buy their product, not one bit more.

Like I said before, DLC is here to stay, so you can rage against the machine all you want.  The better idea though is to support it on companies who handle it well like Bioware, and don't support it on companies that handle it badly, like EA.

[Sornin]

Flamin Jesus, obvious troll is an obvious troll, just ignore him. He is convinced that it is a financial issue, when it is not. The straw man comment stating that if it is a financial burden one should not purchase it is a clear indicator he has no capacity to debate anything in an intellectual manner that addresses any real issues.

[Flamin Jesus]

Sornin wrote...

Flamin Jesus, obvious troll is an obvious troll, just ignore him. He is convinced that it is a financial issue, when it is not. The straw man comment stating that if it is a financial burden one should not purchase it is a clear indicator he has no capacity to debate anything in an intellectual manner that addresses any real issues.

I don't think he's actually trolling, I think he's really unable to comprehend the actual issue... But anyway, I won't keep wasting my time here, I just get worked up over the opinions of... someone whose opinions don't concern me.

[Flamin Jesus]

- Archangel - wrote...

The better idea though is to support it on companies who handle it well like Bioware, and don't support it on companies that handle it badly, like EA.

OK, you go support BioWare and make sure never to give EA any money.

Finally got me a good laugh out of this one.

[- Archangel -]

Sornin wrote...

Flamin Jesus, obvious troll is an obvious troll, just ignore him. He is convinced that it is a financial issue, when it is not. The straw man comment stating that if it is a financial burden one should not purchase it is a clear indicator he has no capacity to debate anything in an intellectual manner that addresses any real issues.

Ahhh...the old "I don't agree with him so he's a troll" message board gambit....alsways a favorite....even if older than dirt.


What's there to debate?

It's a couple of people crying because they think they are entitled to a bunch of stuff for free.  As was said, Bioware gets to decide what the "Full" game is, and that's what you get in the standard edition.

[- Archangel -]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

- Archangel - wrote...

The better idea though is to support it on companies who handle it well like Bioware, and don't support it on companies that handle it badly, like EA.

OK, you go support BioWare and make sure never to give EA any money.

Finally got me a good laugh out of this one.

Yes, I know the relationship between Bioware and EA.  Also, where did I say I would "never give EA money".

Strawman much.  Either way, I'm done with this, you've screwed up a thread with YOUR trolling and crying.

So go ahead and post so you can get the last word and declare victory on the interwebz since that seems very important to you.

[Baelin Firestorm]

I  3.14159265

Modifié par Baelin Firestorm, 24 octobre 2009 - 03:05 .