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[Lenimph]

What is this wrote...


Well she did grow up in the wilds.

I know but I don't see the validity of the argument that 2 apostates is too much, if they can make an effort to hide themselves and they had hidden themselves their whole lives, which means they know how to hide themselves.  So we can get super apostate in the first game but we can't get 2 low profile ones now? 

Modifié par Lenimph, 20 décembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Midey77]

Back to topic?

[Master Shiori]

Lenimph wrote...

What is this wrote...


Well she did grow up in the wilds.

I know but I don't see the validity of the argument that 2 apostates is too much, if they can make an effort to hide themselves and they had hidden themselves their whole lives, which means they know how to hide themselves.  So we can get super apostate in the first game but we can't get 2 low profile ones now? 

Without knowing the story it's hard to argue why this is so. Right now we can only accept the writers word that there is a good reason for such a decision from the story perspective.

Doesn't mean we have to like it, but it's a done deal that can't be changed.

[Zjarcal]

Not to mention that it also doesn't make much sense for warriors or rogues to be neglected of having Carver in the party as well. What's the excuse there? A herp-derp brother would draw too much attention?



You're right Shiori, it can't be changed, but we can still b!tch about it! I mean, I haven't b!tched about any DA2 related news, I'm pulling my "right to b!tch" card on this one.

[Master Shiori]

Zjarcal wrote...

Not to mention that it also doesn't make much sense for warriors or rogues to be neglected of having Carver in the party as well. What's the excuse there? A herp-derp brother would draw too much attention?

No, it's the "there HAS to be an apostate in your party who's a member of the Hawke family" excuse.

Zjarcal wrote...

You're right Shiori, it can't be changed, but we can still b!tch about it! I mean, I haven't b!tched about any DA2 related news, I'm pulling my "right to b!tch" card on this one.

Don't let me stop you. I might actually join in until I get the frustration out of my system.

[otaku4ever]

Zjarcal wrote...

Not to mention that it also doesn't make much sense for warriors or rogues to be neglected of having Carver in the party as well. What's the excuse there? A herp-derp brother would draw too much attention?

You're right Shiori, it can't be changed, but we can still b!tch about it! I mean, I haven't b!tched about any DA2 related news, I'm pulling my "right to b!tch" card on this one.

Where do I get one of these cards? I've yet to complain about anything but not being able to get Bethany if I'm a mage is kinda ridiculous.

*By kinda I mean absolutely.

[HighMoon]

I agree. I was so looking forward to my (main) female mage character and Bethany being a team of kick-ass apostate sisters.



And as much as I protest to the idea, I always secretly thought it would be fun to have my fem!mage compete for love with another party member with Bethany. But now all my hopes are flushed down the drain.



R.I.P. Bethany. You will be missed.



I'll play this song in your honour:



*starts crying*

[Zjarcal]

*hands otaku4ever a "right to b!tch" card*



So, after reading what Gaider had to say about this, I'm thinking about how it will be done and I honestly can't come up with any logical scenarios.



One idea that crossed my mind, is that early in the game you will encounter a group of Templars in search of any apostates. If you're a warrior/rogue, they will target Bethany and Carver will die in an attempt to save her. Conversely, if you're a mage, the Templars will go after both you and Bethany and she will die attempting to save you.



I know, silly scenario, but I really can't come up with an idea as to how this will be done, especially since Gaider said (with added emphasis), that those who care about the story will be pleased with the mechanic.

[shumworld]

Wow good thing I decided to start with a Female Rogue.

[Lenimph]

Yeah now I have to play as a 2h (which was my second choice) because Bethany really intrigues me and I want her in my party. I bet we're going to get allot of "well when dad trained me" stuff now...

[Ladybright]

Zjarcal wrote...

*hands otaku4ever a "right to b!tch" card*

So, after reading what Gaider had to say about this, I'm thinking about how it will be done and I honestly can't come up with any logical scenarios.

One idea that crossed my mind, is that early in the game you will encounter a group of Templars in search of any apostates. If you're a warrior/rogue, they will target Bethany and Carver will die in an attempt to save her. Conversely, if you're a mage, the Templars will go after both you and Bethany and she will die attempting to save you.

I know, silly scenario, but I really can't come up with an idea as to how this will be done, especially since Gaider said (with added emphasis), that those who care about the story will be pleased with the mechanic.

I think it would be the same situation with the ogre, except Bethany goes instead of Carver. That'd be most efficient.

[Master Shiori]

Ladybright wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

*hands otaku4ever a "right to b!tch" card*

So, after reading what Gaider had to say about this, I'm thinking about how it will be done and I honestly can't come up with any logical scenarios.

One idea that crossed my mind, is that early in the game you will encounter a group of Templars in search of any apostates. If you're a warrior/rogue, they will target Bethany and Carver will die in an attempt to save her. Conversely, if you're a mage, the Templars will go after both you and Bethany and she will die attempting to save you.

I know, silly scenario, but I really can't come up with an idea as to how this will be done, especially since Gaider said (with added emphasis), that those who care about the story will be pleased with the mechanic.

I think it would be the same situation with the ogre, except Bethany goes instead of Carver. That'd be most efficient.

It actually is the ogre that kills one of them. You can see it in Rise to Power trailer, where Carver gets splattered.

[otaku4ever]

Master Shiori wrote...

Ladybright wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

*hands otaku4ever a "right to b!tch" card*

So, after reading what Gaider had to say about this, I'm thinking about how it will be done and I honestly can't come up with any logical scenarios.

One idea that crossed my mind, is that early in the game you will encounter a group of Templars in search of any apostates. If you're a warrior/rogue, they will target Bethany and Carver will die in an attempt to save her. Conversely, if you're a mage, the Templars will go after both you and Bethany and she will die attempting to save you.

I know, silly scenario, but I really can't come up with an idea as to how this will be done, especially since Gaider said (with added emphasis), that those who care about the story will be pleased with the mechanic.

I think it would be the same situation with the ogre, except Bethany goes instead of Carver. That'd be most efficient.

It actually is the ogre that kills one of them. You can see it in Rise to Power trailer, where Carver gets splattered.

@Zjarcal: Thanks

But why does any of them have to die? I think there was a post by a dev that said that we weren't going to get our family members killed right off the bat...
I'm not sure about this but as long as Bethany lives, Carver can go get killed by an ogre 

[Bobad]

Well, I was kind of hoping that the family member death would be down to player choice like in ME. but reading through the last couple of pages it's obvious that it is our character choice at creation that decides whose clogs get popped.

[Aigyl]

Yeah, I ain't too happy about the class-decides-who-dies mechanic either.

There's a rumour however that you can get both siblings out at the cost of Aveline, that would go something like this:

*Hawke and co. are running from Lothering*

Aveline: HEY N00BS HAEL ME!!1!!!1!111

1. Stop to help Aveline and her husband - you save Aveline, but are too slow escaping resulting in sibling getting squished.

2. Leave Aveline and her husband to die - Aveline dies, but you succeed in getting all your family out alive.

That would be a very interesting scenario methinks of it turns out to be true.

[SirGladiator]

Yeah, its terrible that we have to play as a non-mage to keep Bethany from getting killed, it doesn't make any sense, it should be based on what we do in the game, not before the game. I guess the only thing to do is play as a non-mage the first time, and hope that by the time we're ready for playthrough #2 there's a mod that lets us play as a mage and still get Bethany. I always saved Ashley on Vermire, I never saved Kaiden once, and I don't plan on ever letting Bethany die either. I'll never play as a mage if thats the way it has to be, but hopefully it won't come to that .

[IndigoWolfe]

@ SirGladiator; I'm sure there will be mods.

[JamieCOTC]

SirGladiator wrote...

Yeah, its terrible that we have to play as a non-mage to keep Bethany from getting killed, it doesn't make any sense, it should be based on what we do in the game, not before the game. I guess the only thing to do is play as a non-mage the first time, and hope that by the time we're ready for playthrough #2 there's a mod that lets us play as a mage and still get Bethany. I always saved Ashley on Vermire, I never saved Kaiden once, and I don't plan on ever letting Bethany die either. I'll never play as a mage if thats the way it has to be, but hopefully it won't come to that .

I can see it in a "hand-holding gameplay balance" aspect, meaning BW will choose your gameplay balance for you so that you don't have too many mages.  Storywise, yeah, it sucks.  The story of two sibling mages would have been cool, but oh well.  It's also cliched and typical.  I always play a mage on my first run and that will likely not change. Oh well, I'll get her on my rouge playthrough. 

[themageguy]

looking at the combat vids etc her spell selection is mighty similar to my choices. Only thing is id have an earth spell or 2 in conjunction with the fire, ice and walking bombs. Lol

[Kail Ashton]

and luckily for me, mage is my least fav class to use, all bethany, all the time~!



On a related note, how does bethany; gorgeous girl with bountiful harvets of sweater melons, get a group with only 13 pages while a group for an effiment elf boy & a hairy dwarf have about 200 pages? i often question the sanity of posters here but even Fraud would scratch his goatee and think "the hell?"

[themageguy]

i always wondered that too. I wonder if it coz fenris and varric are both on the website and they seem to be definite companions whereas bethany/carver seem choice based. That said i wonder if they'll be revealed together at the same time. 'the hawke twins!'

[redneck nosferatu]

Kail Ashton wrote...

On a related note, how does bethany; gorgeous girl with bountiful harvets of sweater melons, get a group with only 13 pages while a group for an effiment elf boy & a hairy dwarf have about 200 pages? i often question the sanity of posters here but even Fraud would scratch his goatee and think "the hell?"

The internets have always defied reason. Even Carver's thread is longer, if only because more people seem to be making fun of his face.

Modifié par redneck nosferatu, 02 janvier 2011 - 12:09 .

[Silentmode]

Kail Ashton wrote...
On a related note, how does bethany; gorgeous girl with bountiful harvets of sweater melons, get a group with only 13 pages while a group for an effiment elf boy & a hairy dwarf have about 200 pages? i often question the sanity of posters here but even Fraud would scratch his goatee and think "the hell?"

Because everyone found out they won't be able to romance their sister. The Isabela and Aveline Threads aren't really that big either compared to the Varric and Fenris ones so it may just be because fangirls like to talk A LOOOOOTTTT. That aside Bethany seems like the most interesting character they have showed us yet. I'm really excited to see how the brother - sister mechanic works in game when I play my first warrior.
I have a lot of questions about her I can't wait to find out. (till I get the game, not spoilers)
Who's her voice actor?
How old/mature/independent is she?
Is there a way to keep her and her derpface brother alive?
Is she laid back and does what big brother or big sister says?
Or will she butt heads with them at every turn challenging authority?
Whats her relationship with Hawke to begin with and how much can it change throughout the game for better or worse?
Whats her importance to the story?
Will she pursue relationships of her own?
If so can we influence it one way or another?

Modifié par Silentmode, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:25 .

[duckphone07]

Poor Bethany...it does seem she gets very little love in these forums.  Just because she is pretty, some people think she will be uninteresting.  I think that is why she gets little love.  She (in my opinion) is the best looking character model so far.  Not to say that the others are ugly.  They aren't. 
I think that good looks, especially a big chest and an outfit that helps display that big chest, is too quickly turned into: "She is a shallow character, a "floosy", and only made for horny male teenagers."  This has always made little sense to me.  I think sometimes a big chest is quickly equated to many negative things.  However nice legs on a girl wearing short-shorts is viewed less negatively than a girl wearing a shirt that supports her chest well.  Personality is not based on looks.  Wanting to look sexy does not equal wanting to have sex.  Wanting to look sexy could very well be just personal empowerment.  Or maybe Bethany is into style. 
Anyway, that is my take on why Bethany gets less love.  I think she is quickly passed off as nothing more than good looks.

Switching topics...

I think that in personality, Bethany and Carver will be rather different, like polar opposites.  I see an interesting amount of potential for these two when it comes to interacting with Hawke. 

My theory is:

I see Bethany as a quiet, sweet, young sister.  She will be less confrontational.  However, she is a fire mage, so she will have times where she takes the initiative and becomes more outspoken.  I think that if there is a Mage-Templar conflict, she will make a warrior/rogue Hawke think twice about siding with the Templars, either by being the kind younger sister, or "flaming up," metaphorically, and getting really angry at Hawke for even thinking about siding with the Templars. 

I see Carver as someone who is practically always outspoken, always challenging you.  He will have very strong opinions and voice them constantly.  He might even be against Magic, forcing a mage Hawke have to either be really diplomatic with him, or confrontational(Friendship/Rivalry thingy).  He might side with the Templars and try to persuade mage Hawke to join his side.  He might have tons of compelling arguments too.

Anyway..that's my theory. 
Looking forward to Dragon Age 2. 

[MrDizazta]

I would just like to say "CURSE YOU BIOWARE FOR MAKING THE MOST ATTRACTIVE CHARACTER IN THE GAME SO FAR YOUR DAMN SISTER!" Now end rant.

Modifié par MrDizaztar, 03 janvier 2011 - 05:59 .