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[Silentmode]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Ok just done the Nathaniel side quest and guess what I meet Bethany Warden again and it hurts me to see how sad she still is. Having played a Warden in Origins I knew the life was a bit tough but always thought it was a noble line to take. Maybe in Origins/Awakenings you don't really get a sense of how really tough being a Warden is or being away from family is more tougher for her than other Wardens.

Starting to think that maybe I should have left her and see how she is being in the Circle as I don't like seeing her so sad everytime my Hawke meets her.

Grey Wardendom is a perpetual death sentence hanging over your head for the rest of your life, just a stay of execution really. I can't blame Bethany at all for being so bitter about it.

I agree. Doesn't Bethany also have higher amount of nightmares then normally? Imagine nightmares like the Warden's every time you go to sleep. And during that her sister is living a pretty normal life in a Mansion in Hightown and some might wonder why she doesn't like you...
And at the end you can free Bethany from the Circle, you can't quit from being a Warden.

Anders did. I could see her leaving the Wardens, especially since she never seemed to like being one or found any fullfilment in being one unlike Carver.

[Lord Zeuss]

@Silentmode: You can leave the organization, but the sabotage of your life cycle is uncurable. You can still look forward to either a maddened or violent death before your time.

[Alexein]

A little off-topic:

I just remembered that mages sometimes have more intense nightmares than others because of their connection to the fade, Its because Demons are trying to possess them.

In the quest "night terrors" mage-Hawke says she has some experience in the fade, Although within DA2 there is no other fade encounter (that i know of). So i wonder if Hawke went to the fade in some backstory, perhaps it was a part of a harrowing that malcome hawke set up.

Alternatively, in my bethany centered fantasy fanfic world..... hawke might have entered the fade to rescue her little sister from demons. :wub:

Modifié par Alexein, 27 mars 2011 - 02:25 .

[Silentmode]

The physical and mental effects will stay her with her the rest of her life, true. But nothing is stopping her from walking away from the Wardens and trying to live a normal life. Which seems to be what Bethany most desires.

[Commissar Gash]

My Hawke would definetly go with Warden Bethany to the Deep Roads when her time has come, mainly because she wouldn't believe that she has the right to live longer then Bethany and would prefer to die with her sister then have to live with the guilt.

[Commissar Gash]

Silentmode wrote...

The physical and mental effects will stay her with her the rest of her life, true. But nothing is stopping her from walking away from the Wardens and trying to live a normal life. Which seems to be what Bethany most desires.

The war between the Mages and the Templars starts anyway, I doubt you could live a normal life then. You get Bethany out of the Circle at the end of the game, nothing prevents her from trying to live a normal life then, Varric did say that everyone except the LI left the Champion and Circle Bethany would have a normal lifespan and no Darkspawn nightmares.

[Sarah1281]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

My Hawke would definetly go with Warden Bethany to the Deep Roads when her time has come, mainly because she wouldn't believe that she has the right to live longer then Bethany and would prefer to die with her sister then have to live with the guilt.

I think it's interesting how many people say that though their character isn't a Warden they'd go down to die with a Warden or they'd go before their time because a Warden got their Calling first. I've been wondering how Bethany would react to the idea of her sibling dying needlessly out of some misplaced sense of guilt over saving her life and I can't imagine she'd allow it. Maybe Hawke could kill herself later or go to the Deep Roads at a different spot but Bethany wouldn't let you go down with her.

And if Bethany doesn't want to die but doesn't have a choice, how would she handle you throwing your life away when you don't have to? This strikes me as more selfish than I'm sure the well-meaning Hawke would intend.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 27 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[Alexein]

My mage-hawke would work together with avernus to find someway around the calling. Hopefully not become the butt-ugly walking corpse avernus is, but well.

Alternatively my non-mage-hawke would just beat the cure out of him.

[dewayne31]

I bet bethany/carver if they lived thru the game are still with hawke. as for the gray warden bethany. i hope if we play hawke in da3 and she at our side. that we find a cure. i bet there one out there.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Alexein wrote...

Blze001 wrote...

In retrospect, there is one aspect where Beth dodged the bullet by going to the Circle: Hawke and Isabela were lovers... ergo, Isabela was at the house... alot. I can only imagine what that would've done to Beth's innocence.

Beth: Isabela? You're here early.
Isabela: That's because I never left last night, my dear.
Beth: You didn't? Why not?
Isabela: You sister needed my... expert services to deal with a major crisis.
Beth: Really? Bodahn didn't mention anything about you two leaving last night.
Isabela: We never left her room... *giggle*
Beth: Wait... you two didnt.... oh maker! Isabela! Did you and my sister...?
Isabela: She does this amazing thing with her tongue where-
Beth: Oh maker, I'm not listening! Not listeng, lalalalala!
*Beth runs to her bedroom covering her ears and bright red while Isabela falls over laughing*

LOL i could so see that happening.

*In the Hanged Man the first time you meet Isabela*
Varric: Damn!
Anders: Damn!
FemHawke: Damn!
Varric/Anders/Bethany: What did you just say?
FemHawke: What she's hot!
Anders: That's hot.
Bethany:....so....uhm.....

[Commissar Gash]

Sarah1281 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...



My
Hawke would definetly go with Warden Bethany to the Deep Roads when her
time has come, mainly because she wouldn't believe that she has the
right to live longer then Bethany and would prefer to die with her
sister then have to live with the guilt.

I think it's
interesting how many people say that though their character isn't a
Warden they'd go down to die with a Warden or they'd go before their
time because a Warden got their Calling first. I've been wondering how
Bethany would react to the idea of her sibling dying needlessly out of
some misplaced sense of guilt over saving her life and I can't
imagine she'd allow it. Maybe Hawke could kill herself later or go to
the Deep Roads at a different spot but Bethany wouldn't let you go down
with her.



And if Bethany doesn't want to die but doesn't have a
choice, how would she handle you throwing your life away when you don't
have to? This strikes me as more selfish than I'm sure the well-meaning
Hawke would intend.

She wouldn't allow it, I'm sure of that. If my Hawke didn't menage to persuade her she would go to the Deep
Roads anyway and still go down fighting, preferably after recovering Bethany's body.

Hawke is already feeling responsible for Leandra's death, Bethany was the
only thing keeping her sane (kind of,). Without Bethany she would
probably become more like my Mage Hawke who was insane psychopath at the
end of the game, she was only nice to her companions.

My Hawke would just like Alexien's try to find a cure for the Taint though, that would be also why she dissapeared, walking corpse Bethany would definetly not be an option, it will bring back certain memories, very bad memories

Modifié par gashgfjaskgfkagh, 27 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[Galagraphia]

I apologize for not reading all previous posts but I need to share it. I'm playing a Hawke who respects the choices other people make. During the Act 1 I had the impression that Beth wanted to join Circle. At least she was considering it. Also, my Hawke admits that templars are needed even though she understands that the Circle in Kirkwall is an awful place. So she sent all maleficarum who didn't die there, including Grace and her friends. And then I talked to those mages in Gallows... It was creepy! I've read spoilers and I thought that maybe it would be better to leave Beth at home, until I saw this:

I just saw no way to protect her from templars like those bastards. And still, when Leandra asked if I wanted to take Bethany into the Deep Roads, I said that I didn't know, to hear her opinion. And she said that she wanted to go, because she could fight the darkspawn, but wouldn't have a chance against the templars. So I took her. And then everything went to hell. I did that with Carver before and I wasn't expecting that taint and nightmares and everything will affect Bethany so strongly. Now I feel so guilty, like I've just ruined my sister's life, even though it was her choice. It really sucks to be Bethany It's Gallows or the Deep Roads or death. I'm tempted to re-play it, even though it would be OOC for my current Hawke.
Of course, I should've known that when Jennifer Hepler writes something or someone, it will make you tear out your hair in the end.

[Commissar Gash]

I'm 100% sure the Templars didn't tried anything like that with Bethany, those kind of Templars are usually cowards, they would prefer a weak mage that has been in the Circle for his/her entire life, not a powerful Mage that has been an apostate for the biggest part of her life, unlike Circle Mages she wouldn't hasitate to kill them and they know it.
Only if I could get Gregoir and Irving clones and replace Orsino and Meredith with them....

[Alexein]

i'm wondering how Gregoir and Irving react when some rebel mage tells them what happened.

Irving: "In all my decades in this tower, i can finally say this: We're @#$@#$"
Gregoir: "This is all you're fault!.... Now give me a 5 minute head start..."
Irving: "You do that."

[Commissar Gash]

Alexein wrote...

i'm wondering how Gregoir and Irving react when some rebel mage tells them what happened.

Irving: "In all my decades in this tower, i can finally say this: We're @#$@#$"
Gregoir: "This is all you're fault!.... Now give me a 5 minute head start..."
Irving: "You do that."

I think it would be more like this:

Irving: So appreantly we should be fighting each other now since we are enemies.
Gregoir: Appreantly. *sigh* I'm getting too old for this...
Irving: So am I...
Gregoir: We start tommorow then?
Irving: Yeah, tommorow is good.
*6 months later*
Gregoir: Tommorow then?
Irving: *sigh* Why don't we just start our own country so we can live in peace?
Gregoir: That's a good idea, everybody is kissing everybody anyway.

[Lord Zeuss]

Just to test the waters here, what do some of you think about Bethany/Feynriel, like as a relationship, romantic or otherwise?

[Commissar Gash]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Just to test the waters here, what do some of you think about Bethany/Feynriel, like as a relationship, romantic or otherwise?

Feynriel is Tranquil in my game so that would be prety wierd...
Now seriously, Feynriel doesn't meet my Hawke's standards and he's Dreamer so no romantic relationships. :police:Friendship... I don't really know, I think it would depend on the circumstances how they meet each other.

[Lestatman]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Just to test the waters here, what do some of you think about Bethany/Feynriel, like as a relationship, romantic or otherwise?

I think she would be like a big sister to him trying to help him through his troubles.  Wish I could post a screenshot of Bethany but on PS3 can't do it as I'm having withdrawal symptoms of not seeing her.

[Lord Zeuss]

Of course, now I'm thinking Bethany/Nathaniel. Don't know why that didn't occur to me sooner.

As far as Feynriel goes, I could most readily see Bethany as a friend-mentor. Now, to find a cute girl NPC for Carver...

[Alexein]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Alexein wrote...

i'm wondering how Gregoir and Irving react when some rebel mage tells them what happened.

Irving: "In all my decades in this tower, i can finally say this: We're @#$@#$"
Gregoir: "This is all you're fault!.... Now give me a 5 minute head start..."
Irving: "You do that."

I think it would be more like this:

Irving: So appreantly we should be fighting each other now since we are enemies.
Gregoir: Appreantly. *sigh* I'm getting too old for this...
Irving: So am I...
Gregoir: We start tommorow then?
Irving: Yeah, tommorow is good.
*6 months later*
Gregoir: Tommorow then?
Irving: *sigh* Why don't we just start our own country so we can live in peace?
Gregoir: That's a good idea, everybody is kissing everybody anyway.

So true!

maybe also add on:

Irving: "The cullen boy was nothing but trouble, i'm glad you sent him away."

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On a different note, I wonder how bethany would react meeting the Mage-Warden:



Alistair: "Right this way Bethany, and here is the Hero of Ferelden the warden, I think you two are related actually. I hope your relatives don't get brutally betrayed and killed by their right-hand generals, but that's just me."

Warden: Hello,
Bethany: "?!?!?! how did you do that?"
Warden: Do what?
Bethany: "Talk without saying anything?
Warden: I don't know, i'm just that badass i guess, no one ever really brought it up.
Bethany: "Can you show me how to do that? I want to impress my big sister!"
Warden: Well you seem awfully chipper, did slaughtering all those templars in kirkwall get all that angst out of your system?
Bethany: "...yes"
Warden: You're cute.... and scary.
Alistair: "This coming from the mage that killed the archdemon and the mother."

Modifié par Alexein, 27 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Commissar Gash]

Lestatman wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Just to test the waters here, what do some of you think about Bethany/Feynriel, like as a relationship, romantic or otherwise?

I think she would be like a big sister to him trying to help him through his troubles.  Wish I could post a screenshot of Bethany but on PS3 can't do it as I'm having withdrawal symptoms of not seeing her.

Here a couple Bethanys to help you:


I love it how she alwasy gets nervous around Templars

And this scene is just full of win

[Lestatman]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Just to test the waters here, what do some of you think about Bethany/Feynriel, like as a relationship, romantic or otherwise?

I think she would be like a big sister to him trying to help him through his troubles.  Wish I could post a screenshot of Bethany but on PS3 can't do it as I'm having withdrawal symptoms of not seeing her.

Here a couple Bethanys to help you:


I love it how she alwasy gets nervous around Templars

And this scene is just full of win

Great caps thnx

[danteliveson]

I'd rank default Bethany as the best followed by asian Bethany.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I was surprised what a nice and talented girl Beth is. If I just had that kind of sister in my mages playthrough, we would bend anyone on their knees. Circle power?
Pity that Ogre painted ground with her innards, really.

[Maria Caliban]

I really like Bethany. This surprised me as she's a very bland character compared to the others. I can't help but feel that's part of her charm.

In a game where the PC WTFpwns everything, always wins, and is universally acknowledged as the most awesome thing ever (Mass Effect), a regular character doesn't add much. It's like being in a rock band - everyone needs to be a different shade of bigger than life.

In a game like DA II, it's much easier to appreciate a character who can be described as 'nice, polite, and good-hearted.' I think continuing the sibling relationships could have helped the game.

But there's never enough time/resources for everything, and I understand why BioWare would see Bethany and Carver as the most disposable companions.