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[Huntress]

metalgirl-1 wrote...

If anyone's interested I made a tribute to Hawke's family, so if someone wants to watch it here's the link:

I love it!!

Is very nice, I like Hawke siblings and Mother alot.

[Exile808]

i guess crimson...but as stated it was how i saw it some of the things she says...it reminds me of some of my conversations with Anders...but you are right i hold her in a MUCH HIGHER regard then Anders...

[CrimsonZephyr]

Supporting the mage cause isn't entirely wrong, though, and Anders wasn't a murderer until the very end of the game. All she says is that "people will find a better way to live with mages." That's a lot more conciliatory than what Vengeance!Anders is yammering about in Act III.

[Exile808]

yeah i wanted to shoot Anders...in the head...repeatedly...Bethany is i would say the cleanist character in the game but she comes off as a revolutionary like Anders when she said something about how mages should be free its my interpretation of something idk or cant understand...still it sounds like the start of a little revolutionary as for the people will live better with mages is all well and good but after blowing up a church and killing a whole lot of civies...all i can say is it took a while for african americans to be excepted but they didnt blow up barracks and kill innocents in the process...how would you expect to live better after that?...as stated its my interpretation

[CrimsonZephyr]

African Americans did a lot of violent stuff, and not all of it was justified. Not every black revolutionary was like Martin Luther King, Jr. Bethany didn't want all the mages killed. She wanted them to escape, yes, and she wanted a better life for mages, but can you really blame her? Mages were being bled dry and abused for years before Anders acted, and she was willing to give the Circle a chance. And even after all that, she said "people will find a better way to live with mages," not "FREEEDOM FOR ALLLL MAGES!!!!!" That strikes me as a very key difference. Trying to change the status quo isn't bad, and Meredith really wasn't warranted in killing the Circle over Anders' crimes.

Frankly, I think it's a greater betrayal to her character if, as a Grey Warden, she just says "Big bro is participating in a slaughter I know nothing of. Without any knowledge of the context, I will help him simply because he is Big bro."

Anders is a revolutionary. All revolutionaries are not Anders. Bethany comes off as a woman who would jump at the chance for compromise if it meant concessions and a ceasefire.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:20 .

[Exile808]

okay....first off my scenario was i sided with the mages...do i feel for them yes (the templars are douches) but i dont agree with alot of what the mages did now as for Bethany I still do believe that she isnt bad in the circle story i dont but i dont enjoy my sister being a slave or worse the fact that she is supporting people who are the bad guys (i killed alot of mages when escaping that hell hole/ tower) now granted she doesnt know that they have turned to that kind of magic should i act like i dont know whats going on either? now the fact i guess im trying to get as is I believe that the Hawke family is pretty noble in its intent and supporting either side has its big points but when she joins the wardens and helps you in the last act i dont see it as "we are gonna kill every mage in that tower and its gonna be fun" it isnt i know that for me its kinda somber like the whole killing the jedis thing in starwars battlefront. But she could easily support her mages (it is illegal what the templars are doing unless fereldan has nothing against genocide) but she supports family because she knows that you have the right reasons. I think thats a good thing. Now if it was like the Borgia family where the sister had an incestuous relation with the brother and supported all his wrong doings just because "hes my brother" then thats wrong. Regardless i think that whole situation was messed up. I dont want her as a circle mage or a warden if i had it my way i would have sent her to Sundermont and hid her with the elves till i came back. I dont want a hero/ teacher I would have been 100 times happier just to have my sister but i believe that her as a warden would have been a much more nobler and safer task (wierd she fighting darkspawn is safer) then the constant threat of Meredith going balistic and killing and tranquillizing all the mages in the tower...as stated she can kill darkspawn but kill a templar and oh snap thats not good.....I hope im not pissing you off but is my belief that stupid that you have to get at me for it?

[CrimsonZephyr]

classifying mages as bad guys is a bit far. They were being blamed - Bethany included - for a crime they didn't commit and were about to be cut down for it. She was stuck with them. That doesn't mean she supported every single one of them. I think you give the Wardens a little bit too much credit, and are quick to demonize the Circle.

[Exile808]

i wouldnt give the wardens too much credit....stroud was kinda a dick....and the circle there are good people like ella, graces friend, and such...but the kirkwall circle wasnt a shining example of a good circle they were lead by orsino a man who although felt bad about knowing a murderer using blood magic did not do anything to stop him and it seems that kirkwall mages are bad (i guess coming from Lothering made Beth good...that is a joke) i feel bad for mages they cant control what they are born into and are branded for it. But Dragon age 2 made a real bad case for mages (they want you to feel for mages yet every case its some blood mage killing a bunch of people) i never played da origins but i saw enough to feel bad for the mages but then DA2 comes along then every mage including a certain elf mage in my party use blood magic like its a iphone...personally if i lived in kirkwall i would understand lol look at all the brown walls wouldnt you like to paint it with blood....that being said no i dont give the wardens too much credit (this is the same organization that has people drink blood and go into a lair filled to find certain death) but when you look at the kirkwall circle then what do you want me to back up there were good mages but a majority of them had traded there souls to a demon or knew of people that were working with demons but didnt say jack....was it unfortunate that Bethany was in the presence of people who worked with demons yes...but she had to realize that although it wasnt the circles fault they were not innocent...regardless as hawke i still took the side of the mages because my little sister didnt know how far the corruption went and i wanted to make sure she didnt have to die because of this short sightedness....

[jamesp81]

In all honesty, she's my favorite companion in DA2.

I made sure she got sent to the Wardens.  Because it would break gameplay for me to not be able to butcher every damned templar in the city the moment they took her.

As a warden, she might lead a  life both hard and dangerous.  But dammit, she's free.  It was the best I could do for her

When Act 2 came around I was really missing Apocalyptic Firestorm.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Drive by "young Hawke kids" sketch posting: I love Bethany in this.


by embley

[jamesp81]

It's hilarious, but Bethany instantly triggered my "protective sibling" instincts in the opening scenes.  I couldn't help it, all the more strange considering I'm an only child.

If a Templar ever gets within a mile of her, I will tear his rotten soul out and show it to him before he goes screaming into the beyond.  In fact, I probably would've killed Ser Wesley on the spot if it had been an option...

[randomcheeses]

So . . . question: When playing legacy dlc, do you think Warden!Surviving Sibling would be a more interesting companion to bring along, or prefer Circle Bethany/Templar Carver, or does it not matter?

[ebevan91]

Bethany's probably my favorite companion. She was definitely the most useful for me.

Especially when I got her back at the end of the game.

I raised her magic by 30 points and used the other 9 for willpower. She destroyed pretty much everything single handedly during the final battles of the game.

[PseudoEthnic]

randomcheeses wrote...

So . . . question: When playing legacy dlc, do you think Warden!Surviving Sibling would be a more interesting companion to bring along, or prefer Circle Bethany/Templar Carver, or does it not matter?

Hard to say since the DLC isn't available to the public yet. However, I don't think it will be any different beyond a few changed lines here and there.

[nitefyre410]

jamesp81 wrote...

It's hilarious, but Bethany instantly triggered my "protective sibling" instincts in the opening scenes.  I couldn't help it, all the more strange considering I'm an only child.

If a Templar ever gets within a mile of her, I will tear his rotten soul out and show it to him before he goes screaming into the beyond.  In fact, I probably would've killed Ser Wesley on the spot if it had been an option...

This instinct is why  Fenris is one of the many  corpses in the trail that I left  leaving Kirkwall after I sided with the Mages and I dragged  Anders sorry ass with me(I don't hate the guy but damn  if he did not make life harder for Bethany) 

[dewayne31]

nitefyre410 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

It's hilarious, but Bethany instantly triggered my "protective sibling" instincts in the opening scenes.  I couldn't help it, all the more strange considering I'm an only child.

If a Templar ever gets within a mile of her, I will tear his rotten soul out and show it to him before he goes screaming into the beyond.  In fact, I probably would've killed Ser Wesley on the spot if it had been an option...

This instinct is why  Fenris is one of the many  corpses in the trail that I left  leaving Kirkwall after I sided with the Mages and I dragged  Anders sorry ass with me(I don't hate the guy but damn  if he did not make life harder for Bethany) 

i stopped recruiting fenris for several reasonsnot the least was bethany.it the reason anders had to die. he made bethanys life harder.

[nitefyre410]

dewayne31 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

It's hilarious, but Bethany instantly triggered my "protective sibling" instincts in the opening scenes.  I couldn't help it, all the more strange considering I'm an only child.

If a Templar ever gets within a mile of her, I will tear his rotten soul out and show it to him before he goes screaming into the beyond.  In fact, I probably would've killed Ser Wesley on the spot if it had been an option...

This instinct is why  Fenris is one of the many  corpses in the trail that I left  leaving Kirkwall after I sided with the Mages and I dragged  Anders sorry ass with me(I don't hate the guy but damn  if he did not make life harder for Bethany) 

i stopped recruiting fenris for several reasonsnot the least was bethany.it the reason anders had to die. he made bethanys life harder.

  

Oh killing him is giving him  an easy  out  how  I see it is A. Anders wanted to do die some kind  trouble hero(not going him the pleasure)  B. Vengence at this point may want to find another suitable host.   

*in Aldo  Rein voice*

Ander owes me 100 scalps and I will get my scalps. 

but first  I have to save my sister and girlfriend from Homocidal, Genocidal,  Regilous Zealot. 

I did think very and long a very hard about killing... I am oppose to just took different of extracting my toll from his ass.   Plus from here out my Hawke can say to him  when he  gets all preachy.  

Hawke: Chantry, Kirkwall... shut up

[jamesp81]

nitefyre410 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

It's hilarious, but Bethany instantly triggered my "protective sibling" instincts in the opening scenes.  I couldn't help it, all the more strange considering I'm an only child.

If a Templar ever gets within a mile of her, I will tear his rotten soul out and show it to him before he goes screaming into the beyond.  In fact, I probably would've killed Ser Wesley on the spot if it had been an option...

This instinct is why  Fenris is one of the many  corpses in the trail that I left  leaving Kirkwall after I sided with the Mages and I dragged  Anders sorry ass with me(I don't hate the guy but damn  if he did not make life harder for Bethany) 

i stopped recruiting fenris for several reasonsnot the least was bethany.it the reason anders had to die. he made bethanys life harder.

  

Oh killing him is giving him  an easy  out  how  I see it is A. Anders wanted to do die some kind  trouble hero(not going him the pleasure)  B. Vengence at this point may want to find another suitable host.   

*in Aldo  Rein voice*

Ander owes me 100 scalps and I will get my scalps. 

but first  I have to save my sister and girlfriend from Homocidal, Genocidal,  Regilous Zealot. 

I did think very and long a very hard about killing... I am oppose to just took different of extracting my toll from his ass.   Plus from here out my Hawke can say to him  when he  gets all preachy.  

Hawke: Chantry, Kirkwall... shut up

Being religious isn't a problem in this game for me.  I roleplay my Hawke as being a devout follower of the maker.  The problem is that the templars seem to have forgotten that whole fight for freedom from slavery thing that one of their venerated saints believed in until it killed her.

Frankly, I think Anders is justified in wanting to stick it to the templars, and war is a messy business.  It's just that it becomes a good option when it's a messier business to not fight.

[nitefyre410]

*snip*

Oh killing him is giving him  an easy  out  how  I see it is A. Anders wanted to do die some kind  trouble hero(not going him the pleasure)  B. Vengence at this point may want to find another suitable host.   

*in Aldo  Rein voice*

Ander owes me 100 scalps and I will get my scalps. 

but first  I have to save my sister and girlfriend from Homocidal, Genocidal,  Regilous Zealot. 

I did think very and long a very hard about killing... I am oppose to just took different of extracting my toll from his ass.   Plus from here out my Hawke can say to him  when he  gets all preachy.  

Hawke: Chantry, Kirkwall... shut up

Being religious isn't a problem in this game for me.  I roleplay my Hawke as being a devout follower of the maker.  The problem is that the templars seem to have forgotten that whole fight for freedom from slavery thing that one of their venerated saints believed in until it killed her.

Frankly, I think Anders is justified in wanting to stick it to the templars, and war is a messy business.  It's just that it becomes a good option when it's a messier business to not fight.

Agreed never was a problem for me either  honestly  I was over him blowing the placed up two seconds after it happened.  My Hawke Isabella, Varric, Merrilll all had this look on the faces  .       After that its , Circle, Bethany,  Go, Now.  Like you said  brotherly instinct kicked in at that point.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:17 .

[SilentK]

danteliveson wrote...

Anyone seen all the variations of Bethany's face??

I just started a new FemHawke and her Bethany is adorable    <3   sorry for all the pics here. Saved Carver because that's the plan for this specific FemHawke but I will start a new one just to have this Bethany. Don't think that I have seen her on youtube anytime but she was wonderful in the short scenes that I saw her in.

Modifié par SilentK, 27 juillet 2011 - 08:37 .

[dewayne31]

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

[jamesp81]

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

[CrimsonZephyr]

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

[dewayne31]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

exactly why..

[TobiTobsen]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

Sounds like the daily routine of an Kirkwall circle mage if you ask me. Just with demons instead of magister-spawns *g*