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[nitefyre410]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

well  I wouldn't call I an safer Alternative   more of a pick your poison type of alternative.   Either she in danger from  Darkspawn  where is she either killed or turned into  Broodmother   Or she in the Circle Tower with others mages that can all be killed at  a drop of dime becasue some  Mage gets a  paper cut and summed a demon(Cause the really thats how make blood magic  seem...  "Ouch paper cut its bleee.... RAWR.  DEMON. SOULS")  or she gets made  tranquil becasue some Templar did not want to spend the coin at the local brothel and she fried his sorry ass.  

really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of choice...which alot of choice in DA 2 are which is way I like the game.

[CrimsonZephyr]

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

well  I wouldn't call I an safer Alternative   more of a pick your poison type of alternative.   Either she in danger from  Darkspawn  where is she either killed or turned into  Broodmother   Or she in the Circle Tower with others mages that can all be killed at  a drop of dime becasue some  Mage gets a  paper cut and summed a demon(Cause the really thats how make blood magic  seem...  "Ouch paper cut its bleee.... RAWR.  DEMON. SOULS")  or she gets made  tranquil becasue some Templar did not want to spend the coin at the local brothel and she fried his sorry ass.  

really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of choice...which alot of choice in DA 2 are which is way I like the game.

Yeah, but at the end of the game, you can break her out of the Circle. There's no escaping the darkspawn taint.

[nitefyre410]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

well  I wouldn't call I an safer Alternative   more of a pick your poison type of alternative.   Either she in danger from  Darkspawn  where is she either killed or turned into  Broodmother   Or she in the Circle Tower with others mages that can all be killed at  a drop of dime becasue some  Mage gets a  paper cut and summed a demon(Cause the really thats how make blood magic  seem...  "Ouch paper cut its bleee.... RAWR.  DEMON. SOULS")  or she gets made  tranquil becasue some Templar did not want to spend the coin at the local brothel and she fried his sorry ass.  

really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of choice...which alot of choice in DA 2 are which is way I like the game.

Yeah, but at the end of the game, you can break her out of the Circle. There's no escaping the darkspawn taint.

 


Well played ,  well played.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:28 .

[jamesp81]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

Freedom usually costs you something.

I have a hard time letting her go to the templars knowing how many are being made tranquil.  I have trouble doing it even knowing, by metagaming, that I can still save her life and she doesn't become tranquil if I make the right choices.

As a circle mage, she'll be hounded her whole life.  The templars, on the other hand, are not going to be too keen on starting a fight with the wardens just to grab an apostate.

I dunno.  Maybe I'll play it the circle mage route on my current Hawke, just to see how it turns out.  At least mother won't be so upset that we're both in the deep roads at the same time.  It will also improve my...motivations to butcher every templar I find.

Modifié par jamesp81, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[jamesp81]

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

well  I wouldn't call I an safer Alternative   more of a pick your poison type of alternative.   Either she in danger from  Darkspawn  where is she either killed or turned into  Broodmother   Or she in the Circle Tower with others mages that can all be killed at  a drop of dime becasue some  Mage gets a  paper cut and summed a demon(Cause the really thats how make blood magic  seem...  "Ouch paper cut its bleee.... RAWR.  DEMON. SOULS")  or she gets made  tranquil becasue some Templar did not want to spend the coin at the local brothel and she fried his sorry ass.  

really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of choice...which alot of choice in DA 2 are which is way I like the game.

Actually, that's the one aspect of the game's writing I dislike.  It would be better written to have "good" outcomes, "bad" outcomes, and middle of the road outcomes.  As it is, the whole thing is cheapened since most of the outcomes are variations on bad, at least in some quests.  Such a set up gives the player little to actually fight for.

Besides, it turns my Hawke into a brooding, depressed, and angry individual.  That's how I RP'd it anyway, and it was easy to do.  Hawke failed and got his little brother killed in the prologue.  In Act 1, he failed and got his little sister either 1) Recruited by the Grey Wardens, 2) hauled off to the Circle, or 3) killed.  In Act 2, Hawke failed and allowed a maniac to murder his mother.

Thus, Hawke is not a happy person by the beginning of Act 3.  And no matter what choices he makes, that's the ONLY possible result.  When I play RPGs, I play them as I would and invest emotionally in it.  It reflects on how my Hawke behaves.  He's a nice guy in the beginning, but by the end, he's an angry, depressed, hateful man who revels in spilling templar blood.  Which is fine as stories go, but it's the only possible outcome due to the structure of the writing.

I'm just pleased that this sort of writing seems to have NOT worked it's way into Mass Effect.

[dewayne31]

I look at this way i treat her like a real sister. there no way in hell i would take with me in the deep roads. now carver that another story. but bethany seems like she alot happier not being on the run. as said before you can break her out.and didn't the gws bring a templar once to watch mage?

[CrimsonZephyr]

jamesp81 wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

As a circle mage, she'll be hounded her whole life.  The templars, on the other hand, are not going to be too keen on starting a fight with the wardens just to grab an apostate.

You haven't played Awakening or read the short story about Anders, have you? The Templars are perfectly willing to hound a mage apostate in the Wardens if they feel it is necessary. Better to be on the run from the Templars without having insane visions of archdemons and magisters.

[nitefyre410]

jamesp81 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Before i'd played legacy i was planning on turning Bethany into a gw. But after legacy I doubt i will ever do that.

Why is that?

Well, if there are more magister-spawn out there, being in proximity to one makes you have crazy visions and hear sounds in your head. Circle mage is the safer alternative.

well  I wouldn't call I an safer Alternative   more of a pick your poison type of alternative.   Either she in danger from  Darkspawn  where is she either killed or turned into  Broodmother   Or she in the Circle Tower with others mages that can all be killed at  a drop of dime becasue some  Mage gets a  paper cut and summed a demon(Cause the really thats how make blood magic  seem...  "Ouch paper cut its bleee.... RAWR.  DEMON. SOULS")  or she gets made  tranquil becasue some Templar did not want to spend the coin at the local brothel and she fried his sorry ass.  

really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of choice...which alot of choice in DA 2 are which is way I like the game.

Actually, that's the one aspect of the game's writing I dislike.  It would be better written to have "good" outcomes, "bad" outcomes, and middle of the road outcomes.  As it is, the whole thing is cheapened since most of the outcomes are variations on bad, at least in some quests.  Such a set up gives the player little to actually fight for.

Besides, it turns my Hawke into a brooding, depressed, and angry individual.  That's how I RP'd it anyway, and it was easy to do.  Hawke failed and got his little brother killed in the prologue.  In Act 1, he failed and got his little sister either 1) Recruited by the Grey Wardens, 2) hauled off to the Circle, or 3) killed.  In Act 2, Hawke failed and allowed a maniac to murder his mother.

Thus, Hawke is not a happy person by the beginning of Act 3.  And no matter what choices he makes, that's the ONLY possible result.  When I play RPGs, I play them as I would and invest emotionally in it.  It reflects on how my Hawke behaves.  He's a nice guy in the beginning, but by the end, he's an angry, depressed, hateful man who revels in spilling templar blood.  Which is fine as stories go, but it's the only possible outcome due to the structure of the writing.

I'm just pleased that this sort of writing seems to have NOT worked it's way into Mass Effect.

Interesting - I played  him being a man  stuck  in crappy situation just trying to make the best  life he could with what he had for his family.  Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but he keeps on trucking forward.   At the end of It  for my  Hawke all he wants to do is keepp his family and friends love  ones safe as the world falls in choas. Not angry just very resolute - he hurting but he has to keep his sister alive and Merrill alive  in the mist of  coming War between Mages and Templar.     He has lost his mother and his brother but he has gained people that are more just friends  but family. Merric, Isabella  and Varric.

Yeah  DA 2  story style would not work in ME at all but thats okay two different games too differents games and I pleased with both

[jamesp81]

dewayne31 wrote...

I look at this way i treat her like a real sister. there no way in hell i would take with me in the deep roads. now carver that another story. but bethany seems like she alot happier not being on the run. as said before you can break her out.and didn't the gws bring a templar once to watch mage?

Not that I remember...or at least not explicitly.  Alistair was a templar, yes, but Duncan made it very clear when they started dealing with apostates that "Chantry business does not concern us."

The Wardens have a general rule of accepting willing help wherever it's found, from the craziest demon-worshipping blood mage to the worst, most unscrupulous templar.

[dewayne31]

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

I look at this way i treat her like a real sister. there no way in hell i would take with me in the deep roads. now carver that another story. but bethany seems like she alot happier not being on the run. as said before you can break her out.and didn't the gws bring a templar once to watch mage?

Not that I remember...or at least not explicitly.  Alistair was a templar, yes, but Duncan made it very clear when they started dealing with apostates that "Chantry business does not concern us."

The Wardens have a general rule of accepting willing help wherever it's found, from the craziest demon-worshipping blood mage to the worst, most unscrupulous templar.

actually i found what happen. read anders short story. they were willing to turn him over to the templars. and with hawke doing what they did. i bet they would be willing to give bethany up. just to stay neutral

[jamesp81]

dewayne31 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

I look at this way i treat her like a real sister. there no way in hell i would take with me in the deep roads. now carver that another story. but bethany seems like she alot happier not being on the run. as said before you can break her out.and didn't the gws bring a templar once to watch mage?

Not that I remember...or at least not explicitly.  Alistair was a templar, yes, but Duncan made it very clear when they started dealing with apostates that "Chantry business does not concern us."

The Wardens have a general rule of accepting willing help wherever it's found, from the craziest demon-worshipping blood mage to the worst, most unscrupulous templar.

actually i found what happen. read anders short story. they were willing to turn him over to the templars. and with hawke doing what they did. i bet they would be willing to give bethany up. just to stay neutral

This changes my view of things then.

[dewayne31]

changes the way i look at the wardens. grant anders had justice inside but still. i think what they did was against what i thought they stood for. if they willing to turn anders to the templars.i think they might turn bethany over.

[jamesp81]

dewayne31 wrote...

changes the way i look at the wardens. grant anders had justice inside but still. i think what they did was against what i thought they stood for. if they willing to turn anders to the templars.i think they might turn bethany over.

It makes them not very neutral.  I know they aren't supposed to take sides, but they exist only to fight darkspawn and they have a lot of binding treaties that give them extraordinary legal authority.  The Wardens are a fighting force, however, and men will not follow incompetent or untrustworthy leaders.  Turning Anders over undermines the wardens long term, as their own men will no longer trust them.  I suspect that situations like these are one of the reasons why the Wardens have the Right of Conscription.  They simply should've invoked it, told the templars to ****** off, and told the templars to leave their wardens alone so that they can get back to killing Darkspawn.

[PrinceLionheart]

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

changes the way i look at the wardens. grant anders had justice inside but still. i think what they did was against what i thought they stood for. if they willing to turn anders to the templars.i think they might turn bethany over.

It makes them not very neutral.  I know they aren't supposed to take sides, but they exist only to fight darkspawn and they have a lot of binding treaties that give them extraordinary legal authority.  The Wardens are a fighting force, however, and men will not follow incompetent or untrustworthy leaders.  Turning Anders over undermines the wardens long term, as their own men will no longer trust them.  I suspect that situations like these are one of the reasons why the Wardens have the Right of Conscription.  They simply should've invoked it, told the templars to ****** off, and told the templars to leave their wardens alone so that they can get back to killing Darkspawn.

I kinda of disagree. It was implied during a conversation with Alistair in the first game that the Grey Wardens pretty much walk on egg shells with their "Right of Conscription" around the Nobles and Chantry. Duncan himself brings this up during the Human Noble origin when he, initially, decides to backdown on conscripting the HNW, because he didn't want to ****** of the Couslands. The Wardens are under heavy pressure to remain neutral, so this includes not doing anything to cross the Nobility or the Chantry. Anders is a wanted mage accused of be a Maleficar and, if not handed over to the Templars by the Warden-Commanders, killed his Templar Pursuers. If anything, the Wardens handing over Anders was in fact an attempt to maintain their neutrality and prevent the Chantry from pressuring Royalty to send them into Exile once more.

Just a theory on my part.

[dewayne31]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

changes the way i look at the wardens. grant anders had justice inside but still. i think what they did was against what i thought they stood for. if they willing to turn anders to the templars.i think they might turn bethany over.

It makes them not very neutral.  I know they aren't supposed to take sides, but they exist only to fight darkspawn and they have a lot of binding treaties that give them extraordinary legal authority.  The Wardens are a fighting force, however, and men will not follow incompetent or untrustworthy leaders.  Turning Anders over undermines the wardens long term, as their own men will no longer trust them.  I suspect that situations like these are one of the reasons why the Wardens have the Right of Conscription.  They simply should've invoked it, told the templars to ****** off, and told the templars to leave their wardens alone so that they can get back to killing Darkspawn.

I kinda of disagree. It was implied during a conversation with Alistair in the first game that the Grey Wardens pretty much walk on egg shells with their "Right of Conscription" around the Nobles and Chantry. Duncan himself brings this up during the Human Noble origin when he, initially, decides to backdown on conscripting the HNW, because he didn't want to ****** of the Couslands. The Wardens are under heavy pressure to remain neutral, so this includes not doing anything to cross the Nobility or the Chantry. Anders is a wanted mage accused of be a Maleficar and, if not handed over to the Templars by the Warden-Commanders, killed his Templar Pursuers. If anything, the Wardens handing over Anders was in fact an attempt to maintain their neutrality and prevent the Chantry from pressuring Royalty to send them into Exile once more.

Just a theory on my part.

So what gonna stop them from turning Bethany over to the chantry. Especially if she helped Hawke. Because techinally she broke the rules on being neutral. this is assuming she went back to them we don't tha she did or not.

[dangereusegirl]

I've been lurking around in this thread, but I do want to put my two cents in.

I think with the whole Wardens turning in Anders (or even Bethany) it would depend on the Warden in command at the time. In Awakening, you have the option of handing him over to the templars, but you also have the option of sticking up for him. It's when the Warden Commander from Awakening, someone who (hopefully) has a good friendship with Anders, leaves and a new commander steps in, that Anders faces problems. I'm sure if the Warden was still Commander, he/she wouldn't have been so harsh with Anders.

From a different angle, look at what Anders did. He took in a spirit from the Fade, which made him an abomination in the eyes of most of Thedas. He put a lot of people at risk by letting Justice in, and the Wardens couldn't afford for that to happen when they were still replenishing their numbers in Ferelden. You may not agree with it, but for someone in the Grey Wardens, they did what they though was best.

I don't think Bethany is at a great risk for being turned over to the Templars. For one, she's not as well known as Anders (since he escaped so often from the Circle), and I don't think most templars would brand her an apostate if she was with the Wardens. She also doesn't seem the type of person to go and put herself at risk by becoming an abomination. I believe that there is a part of circle!Bethany inside of warden!Bethany that would accept the Circle's purpose, and wouldn't decide to participate in a war against the templars.

[dewayne31]

dangereusegirl wrote...

I've been lurking around in this thread, but I do want to put my two cents in.

I think with the whole Wardens turning in Anders (or even Bethany) it would depend on the Warden in command at the time. In Awakening, you have the option of handing him over to the templars, but you also have the option of sticking up for him. It's when the Warden Commander from Awakening, someone who (hopefully) has a good friendship with Anders, leaves and a new commander steps in, that Anders faces problems. I'm sure if the Warden was still Commander, he/she wouldn't have been so harsh with Anders.

From a different angle, look at what Anders did. He took in a spirit from the Fade, which made him an abomination in the eyes of most of Thedas. He put a lot of people at risk by letting Justice in, and the Wardens couldn't afford for that to happen when they were still replenishing their numbers in Ferelden. You may not agree with it, but for someone in the Grey Wardens, they did what they though was best.

I don't think Bethany is at a great risk for being turned over to the Templars. For one, she's not as well known as Anders (since he escaped so often from the Circle), and I don't think most templars would brand her an apostate if she was with the Wardens. She also doesn't seem the type of person to go and put herself at risk by becoming an abomination. I believe that there is a part of circle!Bethany inside of warden!Bethany that would accept the Circle's purpose, and wouldn't decide to participate in a war against the templars.

I would mostly agree. But Bethany if you accept her help in act 3 actually was apart of the beginning of the war. Therefore She already willing broke the rules of being a neutral party. I doubt the wardens would look kindly on that note.

Modifié par dewayne31, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:30 .

[Lestatman]

One of the main probs with Origins/Awakening was that I never really got a sense of what it's like being a Warden or the whole Warden structure unlike in DA2. Cause in Awakening I would have easily made Bethany a Warden like I did with Sigrun etc but now I'm starting to understand better in DA2 the whole Warden choice is more difficult.

Agree with previous posters it's down to the Warden Commander whether to hand over to templars or not. My Warden didn't turn Anders over and I'm pretty sure Duncan would do his best to protect you.

Fortunate I'm doing at least 6 walkthroughs so I can try out both options and see what happens in future post campaign dlc's.

[dangereusegirl]

dewayne31 wrote...
I would mostly agree. But Bethany if you accept her help in act 3 actually was apart of the beginning of the war. Therefore She already willing broke the rules of being a neutral party. I doubt the wardens would look kindly on that note.

Fair point. But I have trouble seeing her being handed over to the templars for that. Its a pretty douchy move on the part of the Wardens if they give up such a talented mage just because she supported her brother/sister.

I think that she'd get a severe talking down, then maybe shipped off to someplace where she wouldn't cause a lot of trouble in that case.

[dewayne31]

dangereusegirl wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...
I would mostly agree. But Bethany if you accept her help in act 3 actually was apart of the beginning of the war. Therefore She already willing broke the rules of being a neutral party. I doubt the wardens would look kindly on that note.

Fair point. But I have trouble seeing her being handed over to the templars for that. Its a pretty douchy move on the part of the Wardens if they give up such a talented mage just because she supported her brother/sister.

I think that she'd get a severe talking down, then maybe shipped off to someplace where she wouldn't cause a lot of trouble in that case.

this assumes she went back to the wardens after the events at the gallows. from what she said at end of the game and some banter in legacy. i'm starting to have my doubts she returned to them.

Modifié par dewayne31, 30 juillet 2011 - 12:04 .

[Exile808]

You know what i think....I think shes better off as a warden....but you know whats a better idea??? Commander Sheperd should have went to Kirkwall and brought Bethany along for the suicide mission...because we all know that the only better thing to fight then Templars, mages and Darkspawn are Collectors...just train her on how to use and assault rifle and bring Captain Kurahee and Wrex along and we are ready for some reaper killing

[TobiTobsen]

dangereusegirl wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...
I would mostly agree. But Bethany if you accept her help in act 3 actually was apart of the beginning of the war. Therefore She already willing broke the rules of being a neutral party. I doubt the wardens would look kindly on that note.

Fair point. But I have trouble seeing her being handed over to the templars for that. Its a pretty douchy move on the part of the Wardens if they give up such a talented mage just because she supported her brother/sister.

I think that she'd get a severe talking down, then maybe shipped off to someplace where she wouldn't cause a lot of trouble in that case.

Well... the First Warden was pretty pissed at the Warden and Alistair for getting involved in all the mess that was Ferelden in DAO. He just couldn't or wouldn't do anything about it because they actually stopped the Blight and helped the Wardens to gain power in Ferelden once again.

Now we have Bethany who deserts from her group to help her Brother/Sister butchering mages because of an RoA that could or could not be legal or overthrowing the chantry rule and starting a mage revolution. The Wardens don't get anything from that, besides the hatred from the losers who saw that a warden fought against them.
Giving her to the templars or other authorities would be a good way to show that they are still neutral and don't support what she did there, while they just lose one junior warden without much experience or influence.

Don't forget that the First Warden is described to be more of a politican and would probably interpret the whole "neutrality" thing different to further the cause of the wardens.

And the Wardens are douche bags. They always were. That comes with the whole neutrality thing. The fact that your warden could be a saint just concealed that.

"You're a warden now! Leave you parents behind, they will die anyway"
"Your bride was kidnapped and is about to be raped? Na... can't help with that. I'm neutral"
"Helping your brother/sister? We're no charity organisation"
"Helping you fighting the Qunari? Na... can't do that... we maybe need their help in the future. But... hey... take this ring! See ya!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 30 juillet 2011 - 11:42 .

[PrinceLionheart]

TobiTobsen wrote...

"You're a warden now! Leave you parents behind, they will die anyway"
"Your bride was kidnapped and is about to be raped? Na... can't help with that. I'm neutral"
"Helping your brother/sister? We're no charity organisation"
"Helping you fighting the Qunari? Na... can't do that... we maybe need their help in the future. But... hey... take this ring! See ya!

Pretty much. As nice a guy as Duncan was he constantly acted on a "Self-preservation" mindset first. And although it was cruel, I'd argue that the wardens turning over Anders was the right thing for them. Whether the same thing happens to Bethany really depends on how hunted she is follwing the events of DA2. As I previously stated, Anders already had a reputation of being a repeated offender, killing his templar pursuers, and arguably becoming an abomination himself. The only thing keeping him from being turned in was the Warden Commander being his security blanket. Bethany, initially, has no such reputation so the Templar's arguably would've turned a blind eye to her the same way they did the Circle!Warden from the first game..

So if I had to suffice a guest, Bethany will remain safe because the Templars at this point will be too focused on their war with the mages to hunt down a single warden.

[dewayne31]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

"You're a warden now! Leave you parents behind, they will die anyway"
"Your bride was kidnapped and is about to be raped? Na... can't help with that. I'm neutral"
"Helping your brother/sister? We're no charity organisation"
"Helping you fighting the Qunari? Na... can't do that... we maybe need their help in the future. But... hey... take this ring! See ya!

Pretty much. As nice a guy as Duncan was he constantly acted on a "Self-preservation" mindset first. And although it was cruel, I'd argue that the wardens turning over Anders was the right thing for them. Whether the same thing happens to Bethany really depends on how hunted she is follwing the events of DA2. As I previously stated, Anders already had a reputation of being a repeated offender, killing his templar pursuers, and arguably becoming an abomination himself. The only thing keeping him from being turned in was the Warden Commander being his security blanket. Bethany, initially, has no such reputation so the Templar's arguably would've turned a blind eye to her the same way they did the Circle!Warden from the first game..

So if I had to suffice a guest, Bethany will remain safe because the Templars at this point will be too focused on their war with the mages to hunt down a single warden.

I disagree, if i'm a templar i see Bethany as a symbol of the resistance not just Hawke. but Hawke companions as well let not forget the chantry is looking for Hawke. So why not go after Bethany knowning hawke may come to her recuse  Not to mention by all accounts she is a deserter now.so the Wardens may be inclined to turn her over

Modifié par dewayne31, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[dewayne31]

funny i mostly use the diplomatic option on bethany. but i'm redoing my archer aws a scaristic person and i like some of bethanys respones.