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[Soul Reaver]

Simple, she ISN'T a powerful biotic. She's a normal strength biotic

[Skyblade012]

All Asari are not biotics.



Asari evolved with the natural ability to conciously attune their nervous systems, as a side effect of their method of reproduction. This gives Asari greater natural control over their nervous system. This control is similar to the training biotics undergo to learn to harness their nervous system to channel electrical signals through the eezo deposits in their lymph nodes. Thus Asari are more naturally inclined to wield biotics.



However, biotic ability is still dependent on the eezo deposits in the biotic's body, and so Asari who were not exposed to eezo before birth never develop biotic ability. While biotics are much more common among Asari than they are among, say, humans, they are not present in every member of the race, and those Asari without biotic ability are forbidden from joining military service, as biotics are common enough to be a requirement among the Asari military.



The strength of a particular individual's biotic abilities could be based on any number of things. Greater control or discipline could lead to more precisely channeled neural signals. Larger or smaller deposits of eezo could directly affect the strength of a biotic's fields. And intelligence could even play into it, since biotic fields are mentally guided, a more intelligent wielder could put them more on-target, or target specific weak spots in defenses. Who knows?

[gunswordfist]

I am not sure if she's that powerful in the games. I'll have to get the DLC to see if she's that much more powerful in ME2.



Anyway, I've been thinking that it's pointless to have Liara in your squad because of Samara. she's better off giving Shepard intel on the Shadow Broker.

[KenLyns]

Her biotics *leveled up* progressively while traveling with Shepard in ME1.

BTW, the same voice actress did Shiala, Sha'ira and Captain Wasea. 

Modifié par KenLyns, 05 septembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Skyblade012]

yorkj86 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

All Asari are not biotics.

Asari evolved with the natural ability to conciously attune their nervous systems, as a side effect of their method of reproduction. This gives Asari greater natural control over their nervous system. This control is similar to the training biotics undergo to learn to harness their nervous system to channel electrical signals through the eezo deposits in their lymph nodes. Thus Asari are more naturally inclined to wield biotics.

However, biotic ability is still dependent on the eezo deposits in the biotic's body, and so Asari who were not exposed to eezo before birth never develop biotic ability. While biotics are much more common among Asari than they are among, say, humans, they are not present in every member of the race, and those Asari without biotic ability are forbidden from joining military service, as biotics are common enough to be a requirement among the Asari military.

The strength of a particular individual's biotic abilities could be based on any number of things. Greater control or discipline could lead to more precisely channeled neural signals. Larger or smaller deposits of eezo could directly affect the strength of a biotic's fields. And intelligence could even play into it, since biotic fields are mentally guided, a more intelligent wielder could put them more on-target, or target specific weak spots in defenses. Who knows?

The eezo is coming from somewhere, and asari embryos are exposed to it in greater proportion than any other race.  It's highly likely that Thessia, their homeworld, has element zero as a naturally occuring element.    They've adapted to not suffer the effects of eezo exposure that other species face, such as cancer.  It might be the case that this is why they have such long life-spans.   Their resistance to the carcinogenic effects of eezo and their long lives could be related to millions of years of element zero exposure.  Asari several generations removed from Thessia likely have little element zero in their bodies.  It must be the case, then, that asari mothers pass on element zero to the fetus, and/or asari children are exposed to element zero on Thessia through food, water, and whatever else.

Possible, though if they are more resistant to it than other species, they would likely radiate their young with it artificially.

Perhaps parentage comes into it too.  Samara and Lirara are  both purebloods.  Despite the stigma, maybe purebloods make better biotics?

[CroGamer002]

I think Liara will drop like a brick in DLC on Insanity like every single squadmate.

[MaaZeus]

jbblue05 wrote...

I'm sure Benezia trained Liara extensively before Liara moved out
Liara is advanced for her age but I don't think she is as powerful as an asari commando and matriarch.
But in time I'm sure Liara will be just as powerful

This is what I believe too. She has good blood in her, aswell as good training. And during her excavations she had to fend off for herself against who knows what wildlife. But she isnt truly exceptional, just very skilled for her age and even further honed by her time with Shepard and after that finding the Shadow Broker.

But if she ever would be put against Samara, Morinth or hell even her mother toe to toe, I'm quite sure she would get her arse kicked in terms of raw power.

Nyxeris was probaply skilled assassin/spy, and Liara even said that if she was ever ordered to kill her she would not have probaply survived. But Liara had the upperhand knowing she is a assassin and in this business information is power.

[Malanek]

She could have used some of those powerful biotics when you first meet her rather than lying prone, covering her head, while geth are sniping you and that krogan is charging



Anyhow, I get the impression she has always had a huge amount of natural talent which is most likely genetic. We know one of her parents was extremely powerful, it wouldn't be surprising if the other was as well. She seems to have focused this talent in the years apart given her colder and more deadly nature. IMO she is as, or more, powerful than Samara or Jack.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Liara is a powerful biotic. She can master singularity which as far as the lore goes only the most powerful biotics can accomplish.

I just attribute her ability to natural aptitude. She's her mother's daughter.

[MaaZeus]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Liara is a powerful biotic. She can master singularity which as far as the lore goes only the most powerful biotics can accomplish.

I just attribute her ability to natural aptitude. She's her mother's daughter.

Again, gameplay is not same thing as lore. Or does she master Singularity in the books or such too? If so, then she really is a exceptional biotic no matter what age.

[NICKjnp]

DarthCaine wrote...

Erm... where did it say she IS a very powerful biotic? The powers she has are all due to gameplay. We never saw her "strong" powers in the story. It's like saying ME1 Tali is stronger than ME2 Tali. Story and gameplay aren't related

She IS a good biotic, just nowhere near as strong as Samara, Morinth or Jack in terms of storyline

The Asari councilor mentions that Benezia is a poweful biotic.  So I would say that Liara's biotics are strong due to genetics.

[Nightwriter]

When the story or lore suggests to me that Liara is a powerful biotic, I suppose I will ask myself this question.

Until then, I will simply think she does as well as she does because she's a story character.

[AresXX7]

For those who want to take genetics into consideration, don't forget she is a "Pureblood".
Aside from her mother, Benezia, being a powerful biotic, who's to say her 'father" wasn't as powerful either.

This would make for some mighty fine genes IMO, and, as others have said, throw in an excellent training regimen and you'll have someone who's developed beyond the norm.

I'm not going to say she's excelled past the level of Samara or Morinth, but I can see it being plausible for her to be at the same level as Jack, or damn near.

[didymos1120]

AriesXX7 wrote...

For those who want to take genetics into consideration, don't forget she is a "Pureblood".
Aside from her mother, Benezia, being a powerful biotic, who's to say her 'father" wasn't as powerful either.

Well, nobody, but that's irrelevant because she didn't actually get any genes from daddy.

[AresXX7]

didymos1120 wrote...

AriesXX7 wrote...

For those who want to take genetics into consideration, don't forget she is a "Pureblood".
Aside from her mother, Benezia, being a powerful biotic, who's to say her 'father" wasn't as powerful either.

Well, nobody, but that's irrelevant because she didn't actually get any genes from daddy.

I didn't mean it as DNA based genetics, I am aware of that fact.
What I was referring to, is how they take the best traits from the partner, by using it as a "map" to randomize the genes of the offspring (as the Wiki states).
Which could result in a stronger natural affinity towards biotics. IIRC

Modifié par AriesXX7, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:55 .

[Nightwriter]

Isn't it very ambiguous - even among asari themselves - whether or not the child gets anything at all from the father genetically?

[Alixen]

How does she fare in the comics? Because whether you like them or not, they are part of the lore too. Anything she does in the comic is something she is capable of. I wouldn't know yet; my bank account is acting up, so my Amazon order didn't go through. Though someone mentioned dealing with an armature above?



You do have to seperate gameplay and story to an extent; but there is a limit you shouldn't go beyond. One of those limits is stripping powers from people. Gameplay and story still take place in the same lore, even if allowances have to be made. Otherwise you ahve to start stripping EVERYONE of their abilities that arn't used in sutscenes. Liara is capable of singularities... but only after 'months' of hunting Saren with Shepard. The journey makes everyone stronger.

[AresXX7]

Alixen wrote...

How does she fare in the comics? Because whether you like them or not, they are part of the lore too. Anything she does in the comic is something she is capable of. I wouldn't know yet; my bank account is acting up, so my Amazon order didn't go through. Though someone mentioned dealing with an armature above?

The comics do, what they always do, exagerate anyone's abilities, including Aria's, so they can have a flashy action sequence.

[Nightwriter]

But there are other things, too - when I ask why Liara faints after every single mission, when Shiala never fainted after the mindmeld, Liara fans explain that Shiala is likely considerably older than Liara. So Liara's age matters when she is mindmelding, but does not matter when it comes to her biotic powers?

[BurningArmor]

Discussions with Liara in ME1 indicated that all Asari have a natural potential to be strong biotics.  Not all train for it though. 

Add to that that that Benezia was strong, it is obvious that Liara would also have great potential. 

Lastly, Liara has also spoken of spending alot of time on Prothean dig sites.  While she never descibed specifics, she has made mention of having to defend herself from time to time.  With her interests, it only makes sense she learn to use her own natural abilities for that protection.

  

[AresXX7]

Nightwriter wrote...

But there are other things, too - when I ask why Liara faints after every single mission, when Shiala never fainted after the mindmeld, Liara fans explain that Shiala is likely considerably older than Liara. So Liara's age matters when she is mindmelding, but does not matter when it comes to her biotic powers?

IIRC Liara said something about the mindmeld affecting the recipient  more than the other.

I don't know Shiala's exact age, but she did say she spent aproximately 200 years, following Benezia.
So, however you choose, to do the math, there is a considerable difference.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 05 septembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[didymos1120]

Nightwriter wrote...

Isn't it very ambiguous - even among asari themselves - whether or not the child gets anything at all from the father genetically?

No, it's commonly believed they get something.  It's not ambiguous that they actually don't.  Three different asari on Ilium will just flat-out tell you the father doesn't contribute any genes (Aethyta, Erinya, and the Blue-Rose Of Ilium).

[Alixen]

AriesXX7 wrote...

Alixen wrote...

How does she fare in the comics? Because whether you like them or not, they are part of the lore too. Anything she does in the comic is something she is capable of. I wouldn't know yet; my bank account is acting up, so my Amazon order didn't go through. Though someone mentioned dealing with an armature above?

The comics do, what they always do, exagerate anyone's abilities, including Aria's, so they can have a flashy action sequence.

Fair point, but thats not always the case. Superhero comips often exagerate, but sci-fi and such tend to try to keep within the frame of the story. Remember how old Aria is, and the entire point of this thread is about how powerful Liara is.

Unless they are doing something way beyond destroying three YMIR droids with one biotic blast and breaking through multiple space station walls then it's probobly not exagerated. Remember, Subject Zero is the most powerful human biotic; that doesn't make her the strongest biotic int he universe. She's about the level of a biotic-trained asari matiarch if you compare her to Samara, and the justicar is leaps ahead in control (she more or less flies O_O). My point is if Jack can cause such destruction, a paticularly old or powerful asari would likely be able to top her shows of power in moments of stress.

[didymos1120]

Alixen wrote...

How does she fare in the comics? Because whether you like them or not, they are part of the lore too.

Mostly, she just tosses some garden-variety mooks around.  She also uses some biotic strikes.  She wrecks a bunch of comm equipment at one point, but it appears to just be a result of nailing it with pretty basic, brute force stuff. She's also clearly using a barrier at various points.   All in all, nothing super fancy (it looks dramatic, what with the cool poses and stuff, but she's really not doing much).  Certainly nothing as spectacular as what Aria does in the free Incursion mini-comic.