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[dreman9999]

Malanek999 wrote...

She could have used some of those powerful biotics when you first meet her rather than lying prone, covering her head, while geth are sniping you and that krogan is charging

Anyhow, I get the impression she has always had a huge amount of natural talent which is most likely genetic. We know one of her parents was extremely powerful, it wouldn't be surprising if the other was as well. She seems to have focused this talent in the years apart given her colder and more deadly nature. IMO she is as, or more, powerful than Samara or Jack.

You mean that you think someone tired from several Days of lack of food, stress, sleep ,and exhaustion would have to strenth to help fight back a Krogan battle master and the horde of geth fallowing his heals?

[dreman9999]

Frybread76 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mr_Raider wrote...
she's about as good a biotiic as shep, a lowly human, but can take less of a beating. Once shep gets Nemesis/Bastion spec, she is yesterday's news.

Not very impressive.

Gameplay mechanics don't really prove anything.  Shep can outperform Jack and Samara and have a wider range of biotic powers.  Canonically, they're still more powerful.

Shepard has implants that help him/Her out preform Jack and Samara and thoses 2 as still very powerful.

As he said, gameplay mechanics don't really prove anything.

Do cutscenes count, because if we go by those Jack is much more powerful than, Samara,  Liara and Benezia.

That would also mean that Thane can disappear at will.

[MaaZeus]

didymos1120 wrote...


If there's nothing in their genes from the non-asari parent that can be measured, then that establishes something else: that they don't inherit anything genetically.  Which is what Aethyta herself tells you, even if she expresses a bit of folksy skepticism about what those scientists say (that "getting genetic material from the father is crap") with respect to her smart mouth.


Yeah, well, exactly: that's not inheritance. Not in any biological sense.  That's simply picking up speech patterns and some behaviors through garden-variety learning.  Even if there is a biological component to her personality (as is almost certainly the case), it's still ridiculously more likely that it came from her mother: the asari who spent a good long time as a commando during the Krogan Rebellions and was also fairly aggressive on her own (per Aethyta herself), and who clearly valued such traits, given that she chose a krogan bondmate.

Its hard to explain what I mean. You cannot sample and say from that that this Asaris father is a Krogan. But instead perhaps it does affect what kind of traits you are more likely to pick up and develop as you grow older, if you know what I mean. Asaris whole race depends on mindmelding when reproducing if I understood correctly. This might somehow affect how the kids brains develop. Bah, Asaris way to reproduce is so alien anyway that this whole discussion wont bring anything concrete really. Not until Bioware will bring us something new.



And that is exactly what I mean. Perhaps there is nothing biologically inherited. Perhaps Aethyta is Aethyta just because of her parents both being tough soldiers, and she just picked up her fathers way to speak for some reason, like perhaps she spent a lot of time with her dad or such.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:41 .

[Asheer_Khan]

I read somewere that it's possible that Jack won't "see" her 40 because each usage of her powers at maximum level literaly burn her out.



In other words cerberus "put" in her more power than her body (even with l5 implants) can compensate... and in regard of incoming DLC i really hope that Bioware didn't rob Liara from her singularity as main skill.

[Frybread76]

dreman9999 wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mr_Raider wrote...
she's about as good a biotiic as shep, a lowly human, but can take less of a beating. Once shep gets Nemesis/Bastion spec, she is yesterday's news.

Not very impressive.

Gameplay mechanics don't really prove anything.  Shep can outperform Jack and Samara and have a wider range of biotic powers.  Canonically, they're still more powerful.

Shepard has implants that help him/Her out preform Jack and Samara and thoses 2 as still very powerful.

As he said, gameplay mechanics don't really prove anything.

Do cutscenes count, because if we go by those Jack is much more powerful than, Samara,  Liara and Benezia.

That would also mean that Thane can disappear at will.

And how do you know he can't?

So gameplay mechanics and cutscenes don't count.  How about the comics or novels?  What is acceptable in your opinion?

[atheelogos]

Shadow_broker wrote...

She isn't
No where in the league of Samara or mornith, she was mostly part of the crew due to her prothean knowledge

what the hell are you talking about? They only had two powers three at most. Liara had all of them. Samara and Mornith couldn't even form a singularity

[didymos1120]

atheelogos wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

She isn't
No where in the league of Samara or mornith, she was mostly part of the crew due to her prothean knowledge

what the hell are you talking about? They only had two powers three at most. Liara had all of them. Samara and Mornith couldn't even form a singularity

Again, confusing gameplay mechanics for what these people can "really" do.  No matter what, Jack is still just about the most powerful human biotic ever, even if your Shep can kick her ass when it comes to power selection and combat effectiveness in the game.   Why? Because, you're the PC, so you get to be better just because.

[archurban]

it's a game. some characters have very exclusive powers than others. it sometimes requires. so get over it.

[Nerevar-as]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

She could have used some of those powerful biotics when you first meet her rather than lying prone, covering her head, while geth are sniping you and that krogan is charging

Anyhow, I get the impression she has always had a huge amount of natural talent which is most likely genetic. We know one of her parents was extremely powerful, it wouldn't be surprising if the other was as well. She seems to have focused this talent in the years apart given her colder and more deadly nature. IMO she is as, or more, powerful than Samara or Jack.

You mean that you think someone tired from several Days of lack of food, stress, sleep ,and exhaustion would have to strenth to help fight back a Krogan battle master and the horde of geth fallowing his heals?

If you order to attack the krogan she charges her biotic aura, but then doesn´t fight. I agree she is likely too exhausted . Besides, unless you get there really early, having Liara join the fight would make it  too easy. Singularity just as it starts, and most enemies are hopeless, That One Krogan  included.

[Lucien_Diva]

As others have stated - the meta-explanation is that if the NPCs could command the powers they are shown to have in cutscenes during gameplay, it would more or less suck the 'Game' out of RPG.

http://tvtropes.org/...torySegregation

Gameplay wise, playing a second-fiddle or plucky sidekick to someone else might be less fun, if more 'realistic' and when it comes to a choice between realism and fun, fun will win out... it's the same reason that time passes at the speed of plot so you don't have to guide Shepard round for 24 hours of every day, take showers, sleep, get dressed etc. The game acts as if these things are done off-screen, or are just not needed...

[Asheer_Khan]

If she was able to eliminate one of the (very possible) best SB agents (aka Nyxeris) without causing too much chaos in her office then that speaks for themself about how powerful Liara could be (by the way i wonder what she have done with Nyxeris body... Nyxeris coffee?).

[didymos1120]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

If she was able to eliminate one of the (very possible) best SB agents (aka Nyxeris) without causing too much chaos in her office then that speaks for themself about how powerful Liara could be (by the way i wonder what she have done with Nyxeris body... Nyxeris coffee?).

No, it doesn't say much about that at all, actually.  For one, she was caught completely by surprise.  For two, just the mere fact of her being an SB agent tells you nothing about how strong she was or was not in relation to biotics galaxy-wide.  For three, the lack of disarray in Liara's office and Nyxeris' corpse means nothing beyond "The devs didn't bother for some unknown reason."   For all they knew, you were gonna run off and get Thane before going back, or they just plain didn't think it was worth the effort.

Besides which, the environments in the game are barely responsive to that sort of thing in general, and those effects often vanish in cutscenes.  Not to mention that corpses and people also appear and disappear arbitrarily in cutscenes at times.  All we really know based on that is that Liara thought she was talented, which is not necessarily the same thing as raw biotic strength or even potential strength, and her barriers weren't the best. 

[horacethegrey]

 Well, Lair of the Shadow Broker has come and gone. So the question remains, is Liara T'soni a biotic to be feared?

Having played and finished the DLC, here are my impressions:

Story Wise: The cutscenes do show Liara using her biotics in a effective manner., such as swatting mercs left and right while chasing Tela Vasir. Not quite as impressive as Jack slaughtering three Ymir mechs or Samara's lightshow in her fight with Morinth. Still, the last bit with her killing the Shadow Broker with his shields was a pretty good display of power, but not enough to convince me that her biotics could exceed the latter two. Despite that, it was still pretty impressive for an Asari maiden who's only a 108. 

Gameplay Wise: Maker bless us! A biotic squadmate with Singularity! I can't count the number of times that would have been useful in the main game! Come on Bioware, can't we have Liara on the Normandy? 

So, anyone want to discuss?