Sarah1281 wrote...
LobselVith66 wrote...
That's before the Blight, before the Dalish become pretty popular for aiding against the Blight (even among the humans, who actually welcome the travellers into their settlements). I can imagine that after the Blight and with the near destruction of the alienage, an elven homeland would be a pretty good alternative to the alienage.
Post-Blight werewolves are also popular...for a time. And even the epilogue points out all the tension springing up and Lanaya barely manages to keep peace alive at the point the epilogue cuts off at.
Actually, the epilogue mentions that Lanaya handles it pretty well.
"Lanaya was instrumental in keeping the peace." She keeps the peace after the glow of happiness that follows the Blight. As for the werewolves, I think attacking people unprovoked had something to do with the unpopularity they got. And if elves travel in the wake of the Blight, when the Dalish are popular among the people and the Denerim alienage is in ruins, would the nobles have the strength to even stop them?
Sarah1281 wrote...
LobselVith66 wrote...
If he's King, Alistair certainly has power, given that he can elect an the Elder from the Alienage to the royal court in the face of all the controversy that it causes among the nobles. Anyone who had seen him in battle for the year he spent with the Warden would recognize that he uses templar tactics, would likely view him as a templar (since it wasn't habit for templars to leave except for death or when they retired), and even Leliana (who was part of the Loithering Chantry) saw Alistair as a templar, despite him pointing out that he wasn't technically a templar and never took his vows. As far as some or most people would be concerned, they have a templar King at the helm, who gave the now popular Dalish clan their own homeland, and Ferelden is a very religious nation. Nobles who have no actual ties to the Chantry going against a man who might be viewed, for all intents and purposes, as a templar (a holy warrior of the Chantry) might cause some serious problems among the common folk who aren't exactly educated on most things.
If the nobles are attacking men, women and children of elven descent in the wake of victory against the Blight and a surge of popularity for the Dalish (though limited it may be), I doubt it wouldn't cause problems. Dead children aren't going to inspire the common folk to hate the Dalish or cause the common folk to stop the elven pilgrims from going to the Hinterlands. Alistair can crack down on any noble who gets out of line, he's the King. I doubt that Anora would be any easier on a noble who thought they would subvert her rule.
I know Alistair has power. Not UNLIMITED power. He can appoint whoever he wants to his list of advisers but that will only make things better in the Denerim Alienage you're convinced they should all abandon. Do you really think all these unedcuated common people who supposedly think 'templar skills so must worship and follow every move they make' will have been in battle with him? And for that matter, it's not just seeing him in battle that will be enough to do it as he only has special attacks against mages and emissaries are rare. Leliana is a bad example of this as she has been following him and the Warden around for a year. Plus the idea that one Templar is instantly infallible is ridiculous. As far as we know, the Chantry never says anything of the sort and it's not like they really give their Templars much power anyway. If Alistair were a former revered-mother-in-training then it might be different but still unlikely.
Humans are pretty religious in Ferelden, they still follow the Chantry despite it being located in Orlais and favoring the Orlesian occupation (i.e. the reason why Orlais called this age the Dragon Age). As for templars, it seems that Loghain loses plenty of support during the Landsmeet simply because he stopped a templar from doing his
holy duty of capturing an apostate. I'm guessing people might factor that a bit in their perception of him as King.
Sarah1281 wrote...
Also, why in the world would the nobles go bragging about all of their children-killing? Anything the elves they're fighting might say can be written off as lies and I think you're severely overestimating how much the common people care about children. I mean, look at all the dead children when the orphanage was purged under Howe and how nobody actually cares. Seriously, even the elves themselves don't mention it. Only one Templar comes and he's there because he suspects a demon. What, exactly, do you expect Alistair to do against several nobles who don't openly say 'Yeah, so we're going to keep elves here because we need cheap labor'? Strip their titles? Kings have to be careful with that because if it looks like it's being done lightly (and doing it over elves most people don't care about is kind of lightly) then he'll have a rebellion on his hands. Alistair does NOT have unlimited power. He has to work WITH the nobles, not insist that he loves elves and therefor he's fine with ruining the economy and anyone who doesn't like it will be stripped of their titles.
Considering that Anora can kill Alistair, the son of King Maric, I'm taking a wild guess that if
nobles starting to openly defy the King, they aren't going to live very long. As Arl of Amaranthine, the Warden-Commander can wipe out the nobles plotting against him/her. The Hinterlands are a royal boon to the Dalish. I doubt King or Queen are going to sit on their hands while the nobles defied them. People don't tend to stay in power long by letting other people override their authority or openly defy them. As for the killings, you're saying that if the elves travel in groups, nobody would notice when there's a pile of dead men, women, and children? Nobody cares when Bann Vaughan abducts women in broad daylight, it's a different matter when the Blight is over, the Warden is a potential elf, and the Dalish have helped save Ferelden.
Sarah1281 wrote...
LobselVith66 wrote...
Given how Alistair disagrees with the type of hard decisions that are faced in DA:O, from using blood magic to save Connor to using the Anvil to enslave souls, I don't think Alistair is the type of person who would force elves from the alienage to remain in Denerim. Anora is also willing to hand over the entire Hinterlands to the Dalish in order to make things better this time around between humans and elves, so while I don't think she's be quite as empathetic as Alistair would be, she certainly is intelligent enough to realize giving the elves a homeland means that elves are going to migrate there instead of living in a ghetto.
But why would Anora think it is an intelligent idea to get the elves out of the ghetto and hurt the economy by getting rid of all the cheap labor? Alistair doesn't have to do anything and the 'forcing elves to stay where they are' doesn't even have to be official. It's already largely in effect with all the bribes and other difficulties involved in moving just from Denerim to Highever.
I'm saying Anora is intelligent enough to realize that elves will go to the Hinterlands if its intended to be a homeland for the elves. This is a person who wants to build a university, after all.
Sarah1281 wrote...
LobselVith66 wrote...
Is that why Alistair appoints the Elder to the royal court, whether he's hardened or not? Because he wants things to return to business as usual? Seems like Alistair wants to change things regardless of what other people want.
Two words: Token gesture.
Giving elves representation is a token gesture? That must explain the lack of a foot riot that happens when Anora is the only monarch of Ferelden.
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