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[FASherman]

 I know there are Bioware people who visit, so I'd really like to hear an answer to this.

How did we go from, "Two years of Dragon Age DLC planned; expansion packs considered" (http://www.joystiq.c...cks-considered/), to "BioWare Details Final Dragon Age DLC" (http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1115957p1.html)? Nov 2009 to Sep 2010 is slightly less than a year and considerably less than two years.

So what was the reason? Why lie to the fan base?

Luckily Halo Reach, Fable III, Call of Duty: Black Ops, and Assassin's Creed III will help fill in the gaps.

[Challseus]

Do I feel lied to? Absoluely not. Things change, and decisions have to be made. People say things all the time with the best intentions, and just because that thing changes, it doesn't mean they were lying.



Does it suck that there will be no more DLC, expansion packs, etc.? Of course. But, what can you do? Business is business...

[Chris Priestly]

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

[Dragoon001]

That they stop to develop DLC's because the release of Dragon Age 2 is only a few months away, makes completely sense to me. They should bundle resources instead split them. Beside would you not rather play Dragon Age 2 than just another DLC for DAO 1>

Where I feel cheated is by the complete incompetence Bioware has shown in the technical development of DAO. Not only takes it ages for them to deliver any patch, they then fail to address important bugs.
If that alone wouldn't be enough they even introduce new severe bugs, and Bioware has not the decency to release a hotfix for the things they just broke. That's a frigging embarrassment.

I laughed when they asked us to vote for Bioware at Developer's Showdown versus Valve.
Such an impudence! Considering Valve is such an awesome company with high respect for their customers. They doesn't hesitate to release partial patches when things are done and are not ashamed to release a hotfix should they messed things up.
You have much to learn young Padawan. 

Modifié par Dragoon001, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:47 .

[Mistress9Nine]

I don't really think the time and resources that go into those two are nearly the same so the either/or decision you're making this out to be is complete nonsense. I'm not sure I'd put my trust into a sequel that was made instead of a few pieces of DLC. Just saying it wouldn't kill BioWare to keep a promise. This is not like BioWare, though BioWare is kinda not being BioWare for some time now. I know, I know, it's nice of me to tell you what your comapny is like. Nevemind.

[Brockololly]

Mistress9Nine wrote...

I don't really think the time and resources that go into those two are nearly the same so the either/or decision you're making this out to be is complete nonsense. I'm not sure I'd put my trust into a sequel that was made instead of a few pieces of DLC. Just saying it wouldn't kill BioWare to keep a promise. This is not like BioWare, though BioWare is kinda not being BioWare for some time now. I know, I know, it's nice of me to tell you what your comapny is like. Nevemind.

Unless of course they simply want Origins players to jump ship to pay for a full sequel in DA2 versus cheaper DLC or expacks.

I don't mind it, provided DA2 turns out to be awesome incarnate, which I haven't seen thus far. And Witch Hunt better be freakin' top notch if thats going to be our Warden's curtain call as opposed to the possibilty of having one last expansion pack that never will happen now because of DA2.

[LadyKarrakaz]

In fact, I created a thread about this, and some other failures, not long ago.

[avado]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

Chris, i think you have made bioware's position.  That DA2 is out in march is great.  THe concern though, if DA2 is going to be as buggy as DAO was, and if there isnt going to be DLC support for it, why push it out early only to patch patch patch in the first week!  That's all.  As excellent a game as DAO is, once bitten is always a concern.

Keep up the excellent work.

[Mistress9Nine]

Brockololly wrote...
provided DA2 turns out to be awesome incarnate, which I haven't seen thus far

I think we're on the same page here. I'm still hoping that they're just trying to make DA2 look bad so when it comes out everyone will be surprised and overjoyed at the awesomeness, but I'm not holding my breath. Let's not forget that they coudn't patch up DA yet and they're already making a sequel I think the priorities are not straight.

Purple Lady wrote...

In fact, I created a thread about this, and some other failures, not long ago.

Amen. Preach it sister.

Modifié par Mistress9Nine, 05 septembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[the_one_54321]

I view this as mostly a better decision. More work on a sequel is better than more work on DLC.

[Mistress9Nine]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I view this as mostly a better decision. More work on a sequel is better than more work on DLC.

There is such a thing as compromise. Noone is rushing BioWare. Please by all means. Take your time and release the game in 2012, while simultaniously providing us with DLC. That sounds great, right? It's like keeping your promise and one-upping it too.

[the_one_54321]

No, it doesn't sound better to me. Personnel used to develop anything except DLC is a plus.

[Mistress9Nine]

the_one_54321 wrote...

No, it doesn't sound better to me. Personnel used to develop anything except DLC is a plus.

Personnel used to develop good and meaningful DLC is personnel well-spent. I don't see why they seem to have put a rush order on DA2. It's like they don't trust their own product and want to get it out before DA is forgotten. For me evidence suggests that DA2 will be no better quality than Awakening. If they're going down such a path they might as well make DLC, it generates lower expectation than a hyped up sequel and thus causes much less disappointment.

[Brockololly]

I'd be fine if they just didn't do DLC, as has been the case with Origins, its more often than not sub-par compared to the main game.



Expansions though- If the expansions were more like Throne of Bhaal and had some actual continuity unlike Awakening, I'd have liked to have seen that.

But if stopping work on DAO means DA2 is a much better product, thats great. But while its early and they haven't shown much of DA2, what has been shown or revealed hasn't impressed me too much. We'll see....

[the_one_54321]

Mistress9Nine wrote...
Personnel used to develop good and meaningful DLC is personnel well-spent

In my opinion, this has yet to be done by any developer for any game.

[Mistress9Nine]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Mistress9Nine wrote...
Personnel used to develop good and meaningful DLC is personnel well-spent

In my opinion, this has yet to be done by any developer for any game.

I'm throwing it out there. The devs roam in these parts and I was thinking they might pick up on my ingenius idea and then I can ask for royalties.

On a serious note, if these (the people who make dismal DLC in your opinion) are the same people that would otherwise be working on the sequel, would you not rather have them assigned some other job so DA2 will be untainted?

Modifié par Mistress9Nine, 05 septembre 2010 - 11:39 .

[Chaos-fusion]

the_one_54321 wrote...

No, it doesn't sound better to me. Personnel used to develop anything except DLC is a plus.

Like a patch would be nice.

[the_one_54321]

I hope for something worth while in the Witch's Hunt. But I'm not holding my breath. The track record for DLC has been pretty dismal across all games. Sometimes you beat the odds, but most times the odds are the odds because that's just how things always play out.

In the end, the fact that they are dropping DLC support is something I view as positive. Less negative ammunition and the chance for something better in the new game.

[wikkedjoker]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

Dude, just sayin, DAO was a bug filled mess, DAA was worse, patches, DLC, they have all added to the problems. And you have turned out a game in just over a year. . . .My faith in the plot is better than its ever been. However my faith in the game, not so much.  
I think I speak for a vast majority of people, when I say, Maker help us all.

I'm not complaining I just think, just over a year was a little fast.   

[darkshadow136]

I'm fine with them just moving on to DA2, and stopping the DLC for DAO, but they do need to work on finishing patching DAO since it is still buggy as hell. I would much rather have a full new game VS. having more DLC for DAO. Although if they really wanted too I'm sure they could still make DLC for DAO even with DA2 coming out. but if their plan is to put all the creative teams into making DLC for DA2 instead I'm good with that.



I do think it would be a good idea for Bioware in the future though to not make promises of 2 years of DLC on games if they think that something may prevent that, like the new game coming together quicker than projected.

[rikaroo]

I am currently attending college for computer graphics, animation, and game design, and if there is one thing I know outside of the business side, is that the resources you are asking Bioware to allot to make added content, and a new game, vs, dao2, at this time might be more than Bioware is able to gove,. It is simply economics that drive it, nothing more. Here's hoping the game is great!

[RexAnthony]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

Yes, yes. Why wasting your time on DLCs while you can make a brand new game?
Anyhow, i am looking forward to play DA2 instead of those familiar DLCs.

[DOYOURLABS]

I would feel less mad if awakenings had been able to import DLC items, and didn't confuse textures if you had Warden's Keep installed. But that is my only gripe, and I would prefer DA:2 to more DLC. I want more warden adventures eventually though.

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[GeorgeZip]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

Erm, how could anyone disagree with this?  They are putting their resources where they should, in a huge new sequel instead of wasting time on DLC's.  DLC's are like snacks between meals.  The fans have the appetite for a big meal, time to stop giving them celery sticks.