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[ninja0809]

meh...i'll take DOA II over 10 new DLC anyday

[Teddie Sage]

Why not wait a few months after DA2 to release more DLC on both games? That would be a good way to produce cash. lol

[FASherman]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

To start with, I suggest you check your attitude. I do you a favor by buying your product, you don't do me a favor by producing it.

Beyond that, please don't insult our intelligence. Bioware, likely at the urging of EA, moved the development schedule up. Why? Partly due to the success of DA:O, but also because the units of  Awakenings surprised you. Your promise to us was broken not because you are disloyal, but because we the consumer are more loyal than you anticipated. So now, you've become greedy, to the tune of targeting 12 million units sold . Yes, I know you're saying 10 million publicly, but internally you're more optimistic than you're willing to report.

That will be your fatal flaw. You've stopped viewing us as consumers in a competitive market. You now consider us a virtual ATM. And sadly, you're probably right this time. We'll buy DA 2.

But if you rush crap out the door or lie to us again, you're going to find that we have other choices. Fable 3 and Divinity 3 are just as two examples. Neither of their previous offerings came close to the graphics of DA:O, but both had for more involved plots and longer play time.

So I suggest your next post, whether it be to me or someone else be a hell of a sight more humble. You exist at our leisure. When we go away, you might just find yourself asking the same question, over and over again...

Paper or plastic?

[sandslayer76]

This comment is directed at everyone who has made non-legitimate complaints or useless, negative opinion statements about DA2.



Or... OR all of you can quit your ****ing about Bioware's direction as a company. Sure, you're the consumer, but thinking that your own, single voice will change anything is utterly retarded. Complaining about what Bioware is doing without even possessing a knowledge of the work that they're doing behind closed doors is akin to an elementary schoolboy punching a locker when he's pissed off. Sure, it vents steam, but it also doesn't help anybody.



If any of you care so much, then get a degree in game design and found an opposing company, then use your OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR methods in creating games to kick Bioware's ass in the market.



Seriously. Shut up.

[Mistress9Nine]

sandslayer76 wrote...

This comment is directed at everyone who has made non-legitimate complaints or useless, negative opinion statements about DA2.

Or... OR all of you can quit your ****ing about Bioware's direction as a company. Sure, you're the consumer, but thinking that your own, single voice will change anything is utterly retarded. Complaining about what Bioware is doing without even possessing a knowledge of the work that they're doing behind closed doors is akin to an elementary schoolboy punching a locker when he's pissed off. Sure, it vents steam, but it also doesn't help anybody.

If any of you care so much, then get a degree in game design and found an opposing company, then use your OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR methods in creating games to kick Bioware's ass in the market.

Seriously. Shut up.

While I undersatnd where you are coming from, you should like, seriously like, shut up.

First of all how is it not a valid worry that DA2 will be sub-par? We have evidence that BioWare is not really apt at making games in short period of time (Awakening) and even when given lots of time they game requires tweaking, patching, fan-workarounds and mods to make it the 100% experience that it was supposed to be (Origins). Now combine that with statements suggesting the biggest improvement will be in graphics and the revamping of most features that made DA a hardcoreish RPG and being replaced with stuff familiar from Mass Effect. We have heard these arguements before and we will hear them again so I won't post all the general jibber-jabber. But the point is we have the right to be worried.

About why we complain: I notice that you are not familiar protesting among consumers. They can either leave, or voice their opinion. If we just up and left BioWare would go bankrupt, that is why the fanboys come in so handy. They voice their opinion about why they think your products quality is declining and the company can adjust. Sure there are some crazies but unless BioWare can read minds and *knows* that we're just looking at this from the wrong angle they should be concerned when they lock the 10000th "OMG THIS IS DRAGON EFFECT I'M NOT BUYING IT" thread due to troll infestation. If you want then sure, throw coins into wishing wells, keep your fingers crossed or make sacrefices at a pagan altar but that will not get you anywhere near what you want so I suggest you rethink your attitude towards complaining.

And your arguement concerning out mad game-development skillz is retarded. I can't cook but I know when something tastes like ****...

[Original182]

I would give the developers the benefit of the doubt.

Lying would imply an intention to deceive. If they had known all along that Dragon Age 2 would come along so well and so fast, but still chose to say 2 years worth of DLCs, then they would be lying.

But I believe that at that time, they never expected Dragon Age 2 to come along so well, and they really did want to plan 2 years of DLC at that time.

And I still think the next chapter called Dragon Age 2 should be immensely better than DLCs. New stories, new characters, new lands, new potential. People should be estatic and excited.

Modifié par Original182, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:20 .

[118Cashmore]

I R more excited 4 DA2

and of Course ME2 for ps3

although it would be interesting to see what happened to morigan

[wowpwnslol]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

Lol, I bet his typed this with a straight face too.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have addressed this before, but to save you actually looking as I can tell you didn't, I'll say it again here.

When we made the promise of 2 years of DLC for DA:O we did not expect DA2 to come together so well or so quickly.  Once it was realized that it would be ready early next year (now announced as March 8) we chose to release a brand new game instead of delaying it to keep a (now) outdated promise.

While we understand some fans would like us to continue making DLC for DA:O, we are focussing instead on making Dragon Age 2 a better overall experience than Dragon Age: Origins and we're confidant that you will enjoy Dragon Age 2.

If that was the case than why the insert in Awakening with a 2011 teaser of a sequel? Some may fall for the new EA branded hype train. I however am not one of those people. Considering how much you guys are streamlining DA2, better by who's standards? The hardcore rpg fanbase that got you guys where you are today? Or the ADD target demographic that ME2 got you guys and is now your perfered audience?

[FASherman]

Original182 wrote...

I would give the developers the benefit of the doubt.

Lying would imply an intention to deceive. If they had known all along that Dragon Age 2 would come along so well and so fast, but still chose to say 2 years worth of DLCs, then they would be lying.

But I believe that at that time, they never expected Dragon Age 2 to come along so well, and they really did want to plan 2 years of DLC at that time.

On their May 10th earnings call, EA already had DA2 slotted for March 2011. Of course we know the teaser card was planted in Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening when it was released in March.

What kind of internal lead time do you think is necessary for a company, from top to bottom, to scope out and timeline a project like that and then decide to include the teaser? Lets be generous and say only a month.

So I think rational people can conclude that a mere 3 months after the release of DA:O and the promise of two years of DLC, the decision had already been made.

At the very least, a six month lie of omission.

[Mr_Steph]

 Not really. I am used to things changing over time...it usually does so I was not even surprised tbh,

[Arthur Cousland]

I would have liked to see another expansion at least, but I'm just hoping that the quick development time of DA2 doesn't result in a buggy, underwhelming game that is being rushed out the door to capitalize on Origins' success.



I'm hoping for the best, and if DA2 somehow turns out to be a dud, then I'll still have my copy of Origins to play. If Origins wasn't the buggy mess that it has been, then my hopes might be a bit higher, especially with DA2 coming out so soon after Origins.

[Skilled Seeker]

Bioware never learn. They did this with ME1 as well. At least ME2 is still going for now.

[Boombox]

I would have liked another expansion to finish things off and tie us over until DA2 comes out but to be honest the quality of Awakening and the DLC after that has been so poor I probaby wouldn't have bothered anyway.

I hate all these out of game, hour or so stand alone DLC and having a whole new party in everything.. It doesn't feel like it was planned at all and just feels like a complete mess.



I hope when they start milking DA2 they don't repeat the same mistakes.

[foodstuffs]

I realize that it is impossible to complete a project of this magnitude without some bugs, maybe a small memory leak here and there, but I would be far more willing to buy DA2 at release if you guys took another year or two to make sure the project was "finished". Instead, I'll be waiting 2-3 years anyway for the patches to be made, and by then the price of the game will be cut in half... if I can even find it.

[Vankraft]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

I would have liked to see another expansion at least, but I'm just hoping that the quick development time of DA2 doesn't result in a buggy, underwhelming game that is being rushed out the door to capitalize on Origins' success.

This ^, but what can you do? I thought that awakenings was trash which was apparantly produced during a similar timeframe.

[Eurypterid]

sandslayer76 wrote...

This comment is directed at everyone who has made non-legitimate complaints or useless, negative opinion statements about DA2.

Or... OR all of you can quit your ****ing about Bioware's direction as a company. Sure, you're the consumer, but thinking that your own, single voice will change anything is utterly retarded. Complaining about what Bioware is doing without even possessing a knowledge of the work that they're doing behind closed doors is akin to an elementary schoolboy punching a locker when he's pissed off. Sure, it vents steam, but it also doesn't help anybody.

If any of you care so much, then get a degree in game design and found an opposing company, then use your OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR methods in creating games to kick Bioware's ass in the market.

Seriously. Shut up.

No.

People are allowed to express their opinions and concerns, and feedback is a valuable resource to BioWare as well as any other company. If you don't like the opinions people are expressing, and can't be civil about discussing it, then move on to another thread.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 06 septembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Vankraft]

I'm not into an "EA conspiracy theories", I'm sure Bioware always strive to please everyone and for the most part succeed. But perchance with the quality of their games being produced which are, and have been astonishingly good in these past few years. They have made a lot of people (including myself) expecting something revolutionary and innovative with regards to how their games work in general, which can be extremely hard to live up to.

[AlrinKireen]

Well...I understand why they stopped so early with DLC etc for DA:O before originally anounced "dead line". There are lot of people who are unhappy (Im one of them) and there are lot of people who are happy with DA 2 "behind the door".

Numbers are hell of a clear and with EAs "known" game politics its no suprise. There are lot of things that we dont know and we will never know for sure. Decisions has been made and only thing that we are able to do is whine. With company not listening to their consumers it is clear that it is empty whine.

One very important thing that i have learned is that I will wait some time before buying (If ever) DA 2. After what happened to this game nobody should be suprised.

[AlanC9]

Mistress9Nine wrote...
 We have evidence that BioWare is not really apt at making games in short period of time (Awakening) and even when given lots of time they game requires tweaking, patching, fan-workarounds and mods to make it the 100% experience that it was supposed to be (Origins).

I'll grant you the second part. Bioware games are always buggy on release, and stay somewhat buggy forever. Not as bad as, say, Paradox' stuff, but not great. Anyone who thinks this sort of thing is EA's fault is kidding himself.

But as for the first part, we also have evidence that Bio is apt at making games with a short turnaround. BG2 was released on a very aggressive schedule and some folks still call that Bio's greatest success ever. Of the NWN2 expansion packs, which were also produced quickly, one was great and the other not-so-great.

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[sandslayer76]

Eurypterid wrote...

sandslayer76 wrote...

This comment is directed at everyone who has made non-legitimate complaints or useless, negative opinion statements about DA2.

Or... OR all of you can quit your ****ing about Bioware's direction as a company. Sure, you're the consumer, but thinking that your own, single voice will change anything is utterly retarded. Complaining about what Bioware is doing without even possessing a knowledge of the work that they're doing behind closed doors is akin to an elementary schoolboy punching a locker when he's pissed off. Sure, it vents steam, but it also doesn't help anybody.

If any of you care so much, then get a degree in game design and found an opposing company, then use your OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR methods in creating games to kick Bioware's ass in the market.

Seriously. Shut up.

No.

People are allowed to express their opinions and concerns, and feedback is a valuable resource to BioWare as well as any other company. If you don't like the opinions people are expressing, and can't be civil about discussing it, then move on to another thread.

I can't express annoyance at the gargantuan amounts of flaming I've been seeing on these forums since Dragon Age has been released? Isn't that what an opinion and/or concern is? I understand what you're saying, but there has to be a limit on how much complaining one can take. I respect when people have legitimate problems with an already released game, like the memory leak in Origins. However, when people complain about something that hasn't even been released yet, where you cannot even judge the quality of it, I don't see where that's productive.

People assume that simply because Bioware mistimed their original release date for DA2 that the quality of the game is going to be low. I find that illogical, and the only time that statement could be backed by fact is when DA2 is released and it turns out to be crappy.

So maybe I was a bit harsh in my original presentation of my annoyance, but that doesn't change what I am seeing. I respect complaints about DLC quality or bugs in Origins. I cannot take a complaint about an unreleased product seriously.

[NRG-OptimaL]

I'd rather they throw everything at DA2, to make it brilliant, than spend time making dlc for DAO.


but then, i'd rather they delay the game to make it stonkingly AWESUMS!! valve-style. I suppose that idea doesn't quite get the money-men salivating like the thought of £££ though.

oh well.. can't have everything.

lay off bioware though.

sure, the up-top decision makers are looking to make the mega moolars, but they don't give a rats ass what you think because to them you're a number in their sales figures.
the devs that dip in these forums are naturally taking the brunt of this, and they work to bring you new / exciting / solid gaming experiences, hopefully because they have a passion for it.

keep chipping away at their livelihood if you dare. one day, a tools programmer will become so distraught at your constant "dragon age 3 so ****t!!" posts that he will bring about an age of machines by rage-programming SKYNET.

Modifié par NRG-OptimaL, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:58 .

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NRG-OptimaL wrote...



I'd rather they throw everything at DA2, to make it brilliant, than spend time making dlc for DAO..

yes i am hoping that now they will have more time to put more spikes and blood and explosion in DA2