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[Herr Uhl]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hey, Bioware, while you're at it, explain why you have blatantly refused to let us visit the Black City, which I could clearly see from the Fade, or the moon, which was visible from Ostagar! Why did you bother to mention the existence of the Anderfels and Kal-Sharok if we can't go there right now? Obviously, you did this just to slap us all in the face! Jerks.

I know why, you want to keep all that candy to yourselves.

Bastards!

[HighlandBerserkr]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hey, Bioware, while you're at it, explain why you have blatantly refused to let us visit the Black City, which I could clearly see from the Fade, or the moon, which was visible from Ostagar! Why did you bother to mention the existence of the Anderfels and Kal-Sharok if we can't go there right now? Obviously, you did this just to slap us all in the face! Jerks.

Although i get what your saying, its not quote the same thing, this is a character not a place, and she was ****ING HOT! people all over the forums are drooling over the female Qunari, i would say especially with Qunari playing a large role it seems in 2, the omission of a female Qunari is quite a large and significant thing indeed.

[Herr Uhl]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hey, Bioware, while you're at it, explain why you have blatantly refused to let us visit the Black City, which I could clearly see from the Fade, or the moon, which was visible from Ostagar! Why did you bother to mention the existence of the Anderfels and Kal-Sharok if we can't go there right now? Obviously, you did this just to slap us all in the face! Jerks.

Although i get what your saying, its not quote the same thing, this is a character not a place, and she was ****ING HOT! people all over the forums are drooling over the female Qunari, i would say especially with Qunari playing a large role it seems in 2, the omission of a female Qunari is quite a large and significant thing indeed.

I presume we shan't be seeing Celene either. At least yet.

[tmp7704]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hey, Bioware, while you're at it, explain why you have blatantly refused to let us visit the Black City, which I could clearly see from the Fade, or the moon, which was visible from Ostagar! Why did you bother to mention the existence of the Anderfels and Kal-Sharok if we can't go there right now? Obviously, you did this just to slap us all in the face! Jerks.

Incidentally, rumour has it the huge rift visible on face of the moon is result of Alistair finding his way to there. Confirm/deny?

[Taleroth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hey, Bioware, while you're at it, explain why you have blatantly refused to let us visit the Black City, which I could clearly see from the Fade, or the moon, which was visible from Ostagar! Why did you bother to mention the existence of the Anderfels and Kal-Sharok if we can't go there right now? Obviously, you did this just to slap us all in the face! Jerks.

I know why, you want to keep all that candy to yourselves.

Bastards!

And the mojitos.

[Krytheos]

slimgrin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Not the response we wanted. Get this woman her coffee, now.

You won't be recieving the answer you want, though.

I'm not asking for a definitive answer, just their reasoning.

The thing is, not many female qunari would be Tal-Vashoth. The reasoning is already out there and given. It could happen and has, yes, but Female Qunari would -not- be common Tal-Vashoth at all. The reason male qunari's end up being Tal-Vashoth is their own reasoning for abadoning the Qun, but they are far more common, and likely at least make up 75% of total Tal-Vashoth numbers. It is unlikely you will meet female Tal-Vashoth at all in DA: 2. It's possible they could go to Kirkwall, but..why? Why would they go to Kirkwall? There are hundreds of other more viable places to go to that are better, or would accept them more freely than Kirkwall.

Female qunari in general though, wouldn't be likely at all, as they are not part of the qunari military strategy at all. Outside of Tal-Vashoth, female qunari essentially stay in Seheron or Par Vollen. And if they're a mage, they have their tongues cut out, and are handled by a handler. All in all, I would like to see a female qunari, but from Sten's conversations and other factors, it just seems very unlikely. That's not to say it's impossible, just highly unlikely. 

Chances are a combination of lore, as well as the general qunari way of life and things point to female qunari Tal-Vashoth as not going to Kirkwall. ESPECIALLY if there's a qunari invasion going on. ESPECIALLY.

[Apollo Starflare]

@Krytheos: Did I miss all this info about Tal'Vashoth somewhere? Incidentally the reason why one would be in Kirkwall is pretty much the whole point: Why would such a strange person be there? Que interesting quest/character interaction! Anyway, Armaas was in northern Ferelden, that's hardly a hot bed of tourism.



It just seems a lot of people are holding onto the 'Qunari women are cooks!" logic without thinking of interesting stories that could come from someone bucking the trend. That said I can understand if the devs didn't find a way to fit something like that in this time, but I do hope we see something in the future (especially now we know they have been designed to an extent). Seeing a female Qunari should not rely upon the player going to Par Vollen/other Qunari territory, by that logic we would only see them as cooks or something anyway.

[Herr Uhl]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

@Krytheos: Did I miss all this info about Tal'Vashoth somewhere? Incidentally the reason why one would be in Kirkwall is pretty much the whole point: Why would such a strange person be there? Que interesting quest/character interaction! Anyway, Armaas was in northern Ferelden, that's hardly a hot bed of tourism.

It just seems a lot of people are holding onto the 'Qunari women are cooks!" logic without thinking of interesting stories that could come from someone bucking the trend. That said I can understand if the devs didn't find a way to fit something like that in this time, but I do hope we see something in the future (especially now we know they have been designed to an extent). Seeing a female Qunari should not rely upon the player going to Par Vollen/other Qunari territory, by that logic we would only see them as cooks or something anyway.

The problem with becoming Tal'Vashot for women is that they very rarely leave Qunari-controlled land. Hence they do not experience anything different, nor do they have as good an opportunity to desert. Do you expect them to swim to the mainland?

Edit: They do exist, but it is exceedingly rare, and you are unlikely to meet them unless they work as mercenaries. How likely it is that Tal'Vashot has been able to break all the traditions of old, I don't know though.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[Dave of Canada]

slimgrin wrote...

This isn't a 'give us Tali cuz she's cute request'. It just seems a given in this instance, to bend the lore a bit and introduce a fresh idea into the fantasy Genre.

But having it implemented for the sake of simply having a token female qunari in the game is... awful. I'd rather they introduce something like it when the time comes for it to be important and play something that fits in the story itself. When a story crams characters down our throat for the sake of simply coolness, it tends to just be bad storytelling.

[addiction21]

slimgrin wrote...


Perhaps the writers will grace us with a response - a serious one, that is.

They do that? When did that start happening?

[Krytheos]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

@Krytheos: Did I miss all this info about Tal'Vashoth somewhere? Incidentally the reason why one would be in Kirkwall is pretty much the whole point: Why would such a strange person be there? Que interesting quest/character interaction! Anyway, Armaas was in northern Ferelden, that's hardly a hot bed of tourism.

It just seems a lot of people are holding onto the 'Qunari women are cooks!" logic without thinking of interesting stories that could come from someone bucking the trend. That said I can understand if the devs didn't find a way to fit something like that in this time, but I do hope we see something in the future (especially now we know they have been designed to an extent). Seeing a female Qunari should not rely upon the player going to Par Vollen/other Qunari territory, by that logic we would only see them as cooks or something anyway.

As Herr Uhl said below, they are in controlled qunari lands. The opportunity to desert is VERY low, and if a female qunari is trying to escape, the Ben-Hassrath, and others would either try to stop them and take them to a correctional facility for re-education, OR they would be killed on sight. Tal-Vashoth abadon the Qun and are seen as the lowest form of being in the qun.

Male Tal-Vashoth are all well and good, because with any major invasion you'll probably have a few who desert, but because female Tal'Vashoth are NOT part of the military, and are not taken with the military at all, they literally have to fight through qunari controlled lands to get out of there. Which is a hard enough feat in itself, not to mention that Seheron, Par Vollen or other controlled places are likely policed to hell, and going straight for Kirkwall or the Freemarches? Seems very unlikely since they would have more viably places.

The thing with Armaas is, he was with the Architect, until you came along, captured or what have you; he had no incense or reason to leave, either. How he got there? Look to the Kadan-Fe mercs, the Tal-Vashoth mercs you meet on your travels; all of them are there because they abadoned the qun and managed to get into Ferelden. Yes, it is a long ways, but they could've found an easy way out.

Female qunari do not have it so easy. Being in controlled lands would mean a harder way out; heck, they were raised up to know cooking, farming, priesthoodry, all of that. Why would they suddenly abadon it? Which leads credence to their rarity.

Not to mention that while it may interesting..you also have to find out all the details about HOW she got there, how far she had to travel, what cities and places she went to to get there. You need to look at the other places she could've gone and stayed. Kirkwall is a bit of a port city hub, which could be valuable, yes, in getting further away. 

I'm not saying it's impossible, but why go specifically to Kirkwall, for supplies or anything to get further away, when there are probably closer and more viable areas to get away? It just doesn't make sense. And bending the lore here wouldn't require much, but still, the rarity plus the difficulty in escaping qunari controlled lands seems to just outweight the benefits.

I agree it would prove very interesting, but also looking at how she got there as well as what other places she could have gone to to get away would be of utmost important. A Tal-Vashoth doesn't just choose a place to stay randomly; they choose the best route, in my opinion, to get away, and to stay away from the qunari controlled lands they were in. If somewhere's closer than a further away place, they'll go to a closer area first, then move on as fast as possible to get as far away as they can along an easier, less contested pathway, I would wager.

Also, it helps that Kirkwall is in the midst of a qunari invasion, it seems to be, which could very well have impacted the decision to go to Kirkwall/Free Marches as a very bad idea.

[Krytheos]

Edit: Double post. I hate my browser.

Modifié par Krytheos, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Mary Kirby]

slimgrin wrote...

To the writers: I value their artistic licence. But let's say I bought ME2, and found they decided to blatantly put the Reapers, the major antagonists of the saga, on the back burner while introducing a minor distraction in their pla.....um, never mind.

let me try this again.

This isn't a 'give us Tali cuz she's cute request'. It just seems a given in this instance to bend the lore a bit and introduce a fresh idea into the fantasy Genre.

Darn, I guess I missed the part of DAO where we said the entire plot of the sequel would revolve around meeting a female qunari. I better go look at it again...

Here's your serious explanation: We don't have infinite resources to impliment everything. We could either give you new models and animations for the female player so that she no longer has man hands and walks like a linebacker, or we could build the female qunari models and rigs. The player is more necessary than the qunari. She won.

[SelphieSK]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Darn, I guess I missed the part of DAO where we said the entire plot of the sequel would revolve around meeting a female qunari. I better go look at it again...

Here's your serious explanation: We don't have infinite resources to impliment everything. We could either give you new models and animations for the female player so that she no longer has man hands and walks like a linebacker, or we could build the female qunari models and rigs. The player is more necessary than the qunari. She won.

Thank God.

[Meltemph]

PARTIMEDWARF wrote...

i heard david gaider saying there would be no female qunari in DA2 why not u made concept for them and it was awesome could someone please explain why?

Probably because the chance of seeing a female Qunari anywhere but at their home cities, is about as rare a a nug covered Halla walking along the Bannorn with a married male dwarf and female elf?  That is, if you are looking for a lore excuse...  Or you could use Kirby's reason.

Modifié par Meltemph, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[Mary Kirby]

Blasto the jelly wrote...


awww maybe in future DLC or Future games?

We designed them. We intend to use them. They'll show up eventually.

Modifié par Mary Kirby, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:44 .

[marbatico]

SelphieSK wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Darn, I guess I missed the part of DAO where we said the entire plot of the sequel would revolve around meeting a female qunari. I better go look at it again...

Here's your serious explanation: We don't have infinite resources to impliment everything. We could either give you new models and animations for the female player so that she no longer has man hands and walks like a linebacker, or we could build the female qunari models and rigs. The player is more necessary than the qunari. She won.

Thank God.

Amen, sister! Amen.