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[Saibh]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

PARTIMEDWARF wrote...

i heard david gaider saying there would be no female qunari in DA2 why not u made concept for them and it was awesome could someone please explain why?

Wow no female models for qunari, what a big surprise. You know I would usually be dissapointed by news like this however this is Bioware we are talking about so really I half expected that this would be the case, I really dont see why everybody is so surprised by this. The female qunari is just another victim of Bioware's mad quest for profit, quality be damned it is only their profit margin Bioware cares about.

With all the cost cutting going on you would wonder where all of Bioware's profits go, seriously I would love to see some figures of how much Origins or Mass Effect cost to produce and how much they make in profit.

Wow. That's some bitter pill you're trying to swallow. Honestly, Mary Kirby gave us excellent reasons why we're not seeing female qunari, I suggest you read them.

You know, you are very definition of a falsely-entitled fan.

[ald0s]

David Gaider wrote...
Hey, like I said if art came up to me and said "we decided to give you a female qunari after all-- here ya go" I imagine we could make good use of it. We're versatile. But that's unlikely to happen. This isn't like writing a book where I can say "poof! and now a female qunari appears! rejoice!" so we work in the area we have available.

That is not in the same area where you fans like to play. You're in a different fantasy sandbox filled with bubbles and cotton candy dreams, and you cast hateful glances over at our sandbox because we keep telling you you'll have to play there eventually. And why can't you just stay in your sandbox? You like it there. And our sandbox just has sand-- and some suspicious lumps a cat buried there five minutes ago.

First:
Well I´m a novice software developer and i tryed myself a little in story writing too,  I can already and definitly understand what David means! Time is a mean m*****f******* and can destroy realy great idees and concepts. I think a lot of people can´t understand what time goes into proper programm code, good story writing or other stuff. You realy need a lot of time for that and don´t get me started about bug fixing.... So forumites please calm down and be a little understanding. It was you that started the whole Quanari love love story any way and it was you that jumped to conclusions without knowing a damm about what is in the game and what not! <_<

Second: (@Mr Gaider)
Well to tell you the truth i prever your sandbox. For me it is a shiny place of mystery, golden streets and candy .
And i would love to help you craft it or just be part of making it bigger and grander. Even if the only thing i would do is placing one sandcorn.... man i would be the happiest person on earth! You are doing a great job, keep it up!

Third:
Well regarding what David Gaider said I realy think that we will get a qunari female in the future, not just in da 2. My mony is on a expension that is more quanari centered or a dlc centered around the quanari culture and homeland. Maybe something like The Darkspawn Chronicles  where you could play the other side of things.

My Guess:
quanari invasion dlc or expansion where you can see and play the invasion into the free marches of the quanarys point of view with a lot of story and culturel elements to get to know the quanari better  [if a invasion of the quanari is realy in the game, but when you look at the first trailer it seems possible]

God i love this idee , maybe i will do somthing with it on my own [mod?]

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Saibh wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

PARTIMEDWARF wrote...

i heard david gaider saying there would be no female qunari in DA2 why not u made concept for them and it was awesome could someone please explain why?

Wow no female models for qunari, what a big surprise. You know I would usually be dissapointed by news like this however this is Bioware we are talking about so really I half expected that this would be the case, I really dont see why everybody is so surprised by this. The female qunari is just another victim of Bioware's mad quest for profit, quality be damned it is only their profit margin Bioware cares about.

With all the cost cutting going on you would wonder where all of Bioware's profits go, seriously I would love to see some figures of how much Origins or Mass Effect cost to produce and how much they make in profit.

Wow. That's some bitter pill you're trying to swallow. Honestly, Mary Kirby gave us excellent reasons why we're not seeing female qunari, I suggest you read them.

I did read Mary Kirby's responses so if you are going to respond to one of my posts I would expect you to do the same for me, Mary Kirby's responsed seemed to indicate that they diddnt want to waste resources on it which basicly means they diddnt want the cost of a female qunari model to cut into their profits.

Also I never actually expected Bioware to fork out the cash for femal qunari models (if you actually read my post you would see this) so I am not swallowing anything.

Saibh wrote...
You know, you are very definition of a falsely-entitled fan.

How so? Bioware does not owe me female qunari models and it is their right to leave them out of the game, however if I am to fork over my cash for one of their products I would like to think that they actually care about their products and not just their profit margin.

[ald0s]

Meltemph wrote...

So how do you write the story... or what is your approach? Do you write a story for a world, do you right a world for the story, or are you trying to keep it fairly equal?

Only reason I ask, I'm curious if you are trying to create a setting similar to forgotten realms(in terms of scope and feel to Thedas). I guess, what I am asking(I know you can not answer in specifics) but if it was your choice, would you choose to extend Dragon Age beyond Dragon Age?

I mean, for me, you are doing exactly what I want you to do, at least from my perspective. Which is to focus on the "world" vs focusing on the story. Kinda the opposite of Mass Effect(While I love this, I don't want every game taking the same approach obviously) where the story drives the world.

The fact that you are not forcing yourselves to be chained to previous stories of the Dragon Age, makes me believe you are creating more then just a story, but a world(and by this, I mean something that you plan on having a lasting result). Is that correct?

And yes I know this is somewhat of a hyjack was just hoping I could get a response....  

well i will put my sign on this one! exactly my thought and it would be great if you will get an answer from the writing team of dragon age

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

ald0s wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Hey, like I said if art came up to me and said "we decided to give you a female qunari after all-- here ya go" I imagine we could make good use of it. We're versatile. But that's unlikely to happen. This isn't like writing a book where I can say "poof! and now a female qunari appears! rejoice!" so we work in the area we have available.

That is not in the same area where you fans like to play. You're in a different fantasy sandbox filled with bubbles and cotton candy dreams, and you cast hateful glances over at our sandbox because we keep telling you you'll have to play there eventually. And why can't you just stay in your sandbox? You like it there. And our sandbox just has sand-- and some suspicious lumps a cat buried there five minutes ago.

First:
Well I´m a novice software developer and i tryed myself a little in story writing too,  I can already and definitly understand what David means! Time is a mean m*****f******* and can destroy realy great idees and concepts. I think a lot of people can´t understand what time goes into proper programm code, good story writing or other stuff. You realy need a lot of time for that and don´t get me started about bug fixing.... So forumites please calm down and be a little understanding. It was you that started the whole Quanari love love story any way and it was you that jumped to conclusions without knowing a damm about what is in the game and what not! <_<

Second: (@Mr Gaider)
Well to tell you the truth i prever your sandbox. For me it is a shiny place of mystery, golden streets and candy .
And i would love to help you craft it or just be part of making it bigger and grander. Even if the only thing i would do is placing one sandcorn.... man i would be the happiest person on earth! You are doing a great job, keep it up!

Third:
Well regarding what David Gaider said I realy think that we will get a qunari female in the future, not just in da 2. My mony is on a expension that is more quanari centered or a dlc centered around the quanari culture and homeland. Maybe something like The Darkspawn Chronicles  where you could play the other side of things.

My Guess:
quanari invasion dlc or expansion where you can see and play the invasion into the free marches of the quanarys point of view with a lot of story and culturel elements to get to know the quanari better  [if a invasion of the quanari is realy in the game, but when you look at the first trailer it seems possible]

God i love this idee , maybe i will do somthing with it on my own [mod?]

I am sorry but I cant hear you, your voice is being muffled BY DAVID GAIDER'S ARSE!!!!

[ald0s]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

I am sorry but I cant hear you, your voice is being muffled BY DAVID GAIDER'S ARSE!!!!

*starts in realy sarcastic voice*

poor poor puppy, i am so sad that i accapt decisions from the developers of dragon age when they take their time to come to the forum and explain them in detail and that i thank them for it and want to encorage them to keep the good work up

i´m so so very sorry that i like what the developers say because it fits into the world of dragon age and keeps world and story integrity on a high level (in my point of view)

[Bryy_Miller]

Anarya wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That is not in the same area where you fans like to play. You're in a different fantasy sandbox filled with bubbles and cotton candy dreams, and you cast hateful glances over at our sandbox because we keep telling you you'll have to play there eventually. And why can't you just stay in your sandbox? You like it there. And our sandbox just has sand-- and some suspicious lumps a cat buried there five minutes ago.

But that's the way it is.

You're jealous of our sandbox filled with precious dream snowflakes and delicious delusion, aren't you?

Oh yeah and those lumps the cat left us were copies of DA3 from the future.

I mean, this one is easy, the forums have already decided that I absolutely love any lumps BioWare leaves in my sandbox.

[The Masked Rog]

OK I'm going to say this only once and be ignored, I'm sure.

Female qunari don't travel outside the qunari mainland. That's how their society works. I'd be dissapointed if we saw them in the Free Marshes.

[ErichHartmann]

The Masked Rog wrote...

OK I'm going to say this only once and be ignored, I'm sure.
Female qunari don't travel outside the qunari mainland. That's how their society works. I'd be dissapointed if we saw them in the Free Marshes.

You're right it will be ignored.  I could think of any number of reasons why a lone wolf female Qunari would leave her homeland.  Even in very isolated cultures people still find reasons to flee or migrate. 

[Nyaore]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...


I did read Mary Kirby's responses so if you are going to respond to one of my posts I would expect you to do the same for me, Mary Kirby's responsed seemed to indicate that they diddnt want to waste resources on it which basicly means they diddnt want the cost of a female qunari model to cut into their profits.

Also I never actually expected Bioware to fork out the cash for femal qunari models (if you actually read my post you would see this) so I am not swallowing anything.

What a novel idea. A company trying to earn money for a project of their own making? Why that's absolutely unexpected and vile! How dare they try to do the sensible thing and avoid spreading out their set budget beyond it's means for what is essentially a rather trivial addition.

Seriously, in spite of how some of the notions that some fans might have Bioware is for all intents and purposes a company first and foremost. Maximizing profits is something that comes with the territory. Granted, Bioware is one of the rare companies that seems to try to balance sending out exceptional products while still looking out for their bottom line - something which I'm terribly grateful for - but the fact remains that they aren't some charity business whose sole purpose in life is to sacrifice more money than is needed to please some fringe group of people.

Frankly, if they were to cut into their profit margins for any reason I'd much rather it be for improved/more bug testing and not some character model that might not even be in the game that much to begin with.

Modifié par Nyaore, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Anarya]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Anarya wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

That is not in the same area where you fans like to play. You're in a different fantasy sandbox filled with bubbles and cotton candy dreams, and you cast hateful glances over at our sandbox because we keep telling you you'll have to play there eventually. And why can't you just stay in your sandbox? You like it there. And our sandbox just has sand-- and some suspicious lumps a cat buried there five minutes ago.

But that's the way it is.

You're jealous of our sandbox filled with precious dream snowflakes and delicious delusion, aren't you?

Oh yeah and those lumps the cat left us were copies of DA3 from the future.

I mean, this one is easy, the forums have already decided that I absolutely love any lumps BioWare leaves in my sandbox.

Haha good point!

[idoless24]

slimgrin wrote...

Well the sparks are flying.

Really, I had hoped that....*sound trumpets* The Writers.... would elaborate on an element they themselves had invented, and whats more galling, without snark ( made some people squeal with delight, though)

The first response was snark laden, the rest have followed suit. Serves us right for showing such misguided enthusiasm for the game.

^This.

[John Epler]

Let's keep things civil. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, just as everyone's entitled to post on these forums without being insulted, flamed or charbroiled.

[Apollo Starflare]

David Gaider wrote...

Hey, like I said if art came up to me and said "we decided to give you a female qunari after all-- here ya go" I imagine we could make good use of it. We're versatile. But that's unlikely to happen. This isn't like writing a book where I can say "poof! and now a female qunari appears! rejoice!" so we work in the area we have available.

That is not in the same area where you fans like to play. You're in a different fantasy sandbox filled with bubbles and cotton candy dreams, and you cast hateful glances over at our sandbox because we keep telling you you'll have to play there eventually. And why can't you just stay in your sandbox? You like it there. And our sandbox just has sand-- and some suspicious lumps a cat buried there five minutes ago.

But that's the way it is.

Glad to see this, I was kind of amazed that a lot of people in this thread seemed to think it wasn't possible to write a decent and believable story/quest involving a female Qunari for DA2, which I just felt wasn't true knowing the creativity you guys have shown in the past. Hell even I can think up a few ideas. The limitations in regards to character models are understandable though, I imagine it's frustrating seeing people rail against Bioware for not including something like this (or that, or them) when you'd love to be able to but find your hands tied by time/money/manpower and whatnot.

Look forward to seeing the frankly awesome concept design for female Qunari appear in future DA games/products!

[Dave of Canada]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Glad to see this, I was kind of amazed that a lot of people in this thread seemed to think it wasn't possible to write a decent and believable story/quest involving a female Qunari for DA2, which I just felt wasn't true knowing the creativity you guys have shown in the past.

I wasn't saying they couldn't write a believable female qunari, on the contrary I said if they just threw one in to please the masses it'll probably just feel forced. I then explained why no-fem-qunari made sense in the Dragon Age world instead because everything the writers have said so far was pretty much falling on deaf ears. "BUT THEY MADE CONCEPT ART WHY WOULD THEY WASTE MONEY ON CONCEPT ART WTF?" and such.

[Dave of Canada]

slimgrin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

"BUT THEY MADE CONCEPT ART WHY WOULD THEY WASTE MONEY ON CONCEPT ART WTF?" and such.

The concept art is nothing special. It's the idea that holds potential. 

But concept art is made all the time that's never used in the game itself. I believe Gaider even mentioned they have concept art for Empress Celene for Origins but they never used it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Axlotl tanks. I'm just saying.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Nyaore wrote...

What a novel idea. A company trying to earn money for a project of their own making? Why that's absolutely unexpected and vile! How dare they try to do the sensible thing and avoid spreading out their set budget beyond it's means for what is essentially a rather trivial addition.

You are right, Bioware do not put games on the market for charity and any game they do make needs to make a profit however I doubt that Greg and Ray started Bioware for that purpose alone, does an artist paint a painting for the sole purpose of material gain? From what I can see from Bioware's latest products is that they no longer seem to care about making great games and instead try to cut as many corners as they possibly can to add a few extra dollars to their profit margin. Bioware is free to do as they wish however if this is the company Bioware has become I want no part of it.

It can be argued that female qunari are a trivial addition and I would agree with you along with the female versions of other races in Mass Effect or horses being used in the Ostagar cutscene. Now I have no idea how common qunari are in the Free Marches (although I get the feeling the Qunari could play a big role in DA2) and if they are fairly rare the lack of female qunari can be explained away however the lack of female turians (I say turians alone as the other races seem to have an excuse, not a very good one but I will play along) or horses in the battle at Ostagar, sure these arent vital to the game however it is all of the little details like this (among other things Bioware refuses to add to their games) that make a game world or universe come alive.

I know Bioware is a company with the goal of making money but surely Bioware is making enough money to bleed a little for their art.

Nyaore wrote...

Granted, Bioware is one of the rare companies that seems to try to balance sending out exceptional products while still looking out for their bottom line.
 

I guess we have different views on what "exceptional" is, also there is no balance as their bottom line is all that Bioware seems to care about these days.

Nyaore wrote...

Frankly, if they were to cut into their profit margins for any reason I'd much rather it be for improved/more bug testing.

Yeah it seems that bug testing is another thing Bioware views as an unnecessary thing that only serves to cut into their profit margins.

[Meltemph]

 

From what I can see from Bioware's latest products is that they no longer seem to care about making great games and instead try to cut as many corners as they possibly can to add a few extra dollars to their profit margin.

Cutting corners to increase profit margin is the only way to get as close as possible to your vision, reality needs to play a bigger part in getting things to consumers then hopes, dreams, and rainbows.  This idea that they cut corners for simply a profit stand point, seem to infer a lack of understanding of that reality.  There is always a limited amount of resources to make anything, period, THAT is reality.

Bioware is free to do as they wish however if this is the company Bioware has become I want no part of it.

Really?  I mean really?

It can be argued that female qunari are a trivial addition and I would agree with you along with the female versions of other races in Mass Effect or horses being used in the Ostagar cutscene. Now I have no idea how common qunari are in the Free Marches (although I get the feeling the Qunari could play a big role in DA2) and if they are fairly rare the lack of female qunari can be explained away however the lack of female turians (I say turians alone as the other races seem to have an excuse, not a very good one but I will play along) or horses in the battle at Ostagar, sure these arent vital to the game however it is all of the little details like this (among other things Bioware refuses to add to their games) that make a game world or universe come alive.

You are expecting way to much from people, and has a tinge of arrogance, to me, because it sounds like you think you know what is best for a gaming world and what isn't, like you are some kind of expert.  There is always a finite amount of resources for anything, what you are suggesting is they take a certain amount of resources from one aspect and place it in another, like you know what is best.

I know Bioware is a company with the goal of making money but surely Bioware is making enough money to bleed a little for their art.

There is plenty of art in what bioware does, to call out people's integrity and dedication to ones art, like you have, is profoundly arrogant and just incredibly childish.

Modifié par Meltemph, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Quercus]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

"BUT THEY MADE CONCEPT ART WHY WOULD THEY WASTE MONEY ON CONCEPT ART WTF?" and such.

The concept art is nothing special. It's the idea th 

But concept art is made all the time that's never used in the game itself. I believe Gaider even mentioned they have concept art for Empress Celene for Origins but they never used it.

Like Mary said They intend to use Female Qunari at some stage just not in DA2.
Empress Celene was probaly like that only They intend to use her in DA2 now.

Who or what is empress Celene anyway?

[KhorinShizucor]

Shiroukai wrote...

Who or what is empress Celene anyway?

She's the Orlesian empress. In Return to Ostagar, I believe you find letters addressed to her from Cailan.

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Quercus]

KhorinShizucor wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

Who or what is empress Celene anyway?

She's the Orlesian empress. In Return to Ostagar, I believe you find letters addressed to her from Cailan.

Ah yes, now I remember. Thanks.