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[gaia21]

What a bummer would have loved to see the perspective a female qunari would have of things.

[SirGladiator]

It seems strange, after revealing the 'concept art' of a female qunari to then not have one in the game. It's especially strange since there really aren't 'that' many different races in the game, to have no females in the game at all from any of the races would certainly be mighty poor.

[Astfgl]

SirGladiator wrote...

It seems strange, after revealing the 'concept art' of a female qunari to then not have one in the game.

I suppose it would have seemed strange having female concept art for all races exept  qunari. Would give way to questions like "don't qunari have women at all and it's the stone itself that gives them birth?" Oh, wait that one was somewhere else

[warden nino]

If Qunari have horns in second part,I think it's just fine since Ogres have them and Ogres come from Qunari broodmothers.It is possible that Qunari female is Tal-Vashoth beacuse those are Qunari how abandon Qun philosophy to find their own fortune and to do somethin' without restrictions.Ya know Qunari used be Barabarians how used to have almost psychotic berserker rages before Qun right?

[GodWood]

warden nino wrote...

Ya know Qunari used be Barabarians how used to have almost psychotic berserker rages before Qun right?

wat

[GodWood]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

gaia21 wrote...
What a bummer would have loved to see the perspective a female qunari would have of things.

Me to

If they're a follower of the Qun their view would be similar to a male's.

[EmperorSahlertz]

silentassassin264 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I would think you would need administrators, merchants, and priests if you were going to settle in the place you invaded. The Qunari are supposed to be invading places to spread the Qun, not to be a natural disaster that blights the land. Why would they go to take over a place without the necessary civilian convoy?

It made sense for Sten to come without a woman in his crew because they were just a group of soldier scouts trying to find the answer to a question. They were not going to conquer Ferelden or actually defeat the blight by themselves. But if the Qunari are invading the Free Marches to spread the Qun, leaving out the females makes no sense.

You don't settle anything until you've conquered it. What we see in DA2 sounds more like the military operation of the invasion of the free marches than the indoctrination of the land, hence the lack of females...

I assure you when America invaded Iraq, they had civilian contractors in the beginning and throughout the conflict.  Even if it is just medics you would have some civilian arm helping out and the female qunari would be the ones managing it.

You mistake an occupation for an actual invasion. Besides you can't compare modern warfare to a medieval fantasy warfare. If the invasion of the Free Marches have just started you can bet your arse that there will be no "civillian contractors" in the field or even near the army camp. Sure they will get help from the females but not at the front of the fighting....

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I painted this after I saw the new race art. Then the Lady Qunari were swept under the rug with the Lady Krogan and so on. Grumble grumble.

I think it's time for an oversized bipedal species who send their women out into the world and keep the men at home, perhaps? One can dream...

Also I'm pretty sure the answer to why we won't see any in game is not "The Qun" but in fact "technical/memory limitations."

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:54 .

[tez19]

MariSkep wrote...

Reasons to buy DA2

Qunari fems
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troll much

[Tooneyman]

I say give us a female qunari in a DLC after you make the game. Would that even be a possibility Devs?

[Tooneyman]

Pseudocognition wrote...


I painted this after I saw the new race art. Then the Lady Qunari were swept under the rug with the Lady Krogan and so on. Grumble grumble.

I think it's time for an oversized bipedal species who send their women out into the world and keep the men at home, perhaps? One can dream...

Also I'm pretty sure the answer to why we won't see any in game is not "The Qun" but in fact "technical/memory limitations."

What about the ones like Asari who are only really just women? I think that works no?

[AtreiyaN7]

I think some people may have missed this in DA:O. If you're a female Warden and chat Sten up enough (and get his approval up high enough obviously), there will be a point where he basically says that your Warden cannot be a woman, because qunari women do not fight and do not become warriors. He has a hard time reconciling the fact that you really are a woman and a Warden. *pats Sten and gives him a cookie*

This is why you won't see them as part of an invading army. If you ever want to see one, I expect it won't happen unless BioWare allows us visit Seheron someday, or if one of those masked & chained prisoners in the new screenshot happens to be a female qunari (maybe the rules don't apply to female qunari mages - IF those prisoners are actually qunari mages). The only other chances of seeing a female qunari would seem to be either visting a nation conquered by the qunari or rescuing female qunari captured by the darkspawn before they get turned into broodmothers (eww!).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Tooneyman wrote...
What about the ones like Asari who are only really just women? I think that works no?

A species described as mono-gendered isn't quite the same as the myriad alien species that sequester their women on their home planet/nation for reproductive/"gender role"/patriarchal reasons that, after so many instances, just seem to be excuses for the fact that there just wasn't enough room on the disk for some ladies. The Asari exist because sci-fi fans love their tentacle-y lesbian action, female Qunari/Krogan/Salarian/Turian/Batarian/Elcor/Volus/etc in-game characters do not exist due to lack of disk space or time/money constraints. I mean...its fair when your audience is predominately male to choose to represent the males of a species exclusively if that's what will save and eventually earn you the most money. If its going to be that way, though, I'd really like to see the males of one measly species get put in the fridge, as TVtropes puts it, or at least a more believable reason than "sorry Shepard, despite the incredible technology around us, our women must stay home to breed/raise children, they are too busy being fragile and pregnant" to explain away the lack of women. But maybe that's the case. Maybe egg-laying is a 24/7 activity. (Here I could rant about the Show, Don't Tell rule, but that rule is instantly defeated by the magical trio of disk/money/time constraints.) But I personally can only conclude that the lack of women, Qunari or otherwise, has very little to do with the culture of their species and much more to do with what could fit on the disk.

I mean, what makes more sense? A group of talented writers who simply can't be bothered to write in a few pesky female aliens/Qunari to put in your party ... or a group of talented writers who were informed that there can only be X many character models to populate the game, and it was either copy and paste the same male and female character model with some recolorations (cough Quarians cough) or have a slightly more diverse representation of one gender of a species? I'd imagine it sucks to have all these ideas for hot muscley stoic grey Qunari women disapproving of everything and then have to come up with an excuse why there aren't any at all. I bet the artist who drew the races was just as upset that he/she couldn't see that Qunari woman come to life, because they could only pay the character modeler X, or they had used their voice acting budget, or they didn't want to go onto 3 disks or something.

As many people have said, the perspective of an exiled female Qunari would be AWESOME. Who wouldn't want to write that?! But after writing comes character model, texture, rigging, animation, voice acting. And that's a lot of money.

In summary, I am personally a little miffed about the females of a species getting swept under the rug for the same reasons, when the refreshing alternative of role-reversal exists. Maybe the people of Thedas haven't come up with feminism yet. But anyway, role reverseal was the special sauce that made Buffy so unique after all and I detect much love for Sir Whedon among the writers of Bioware... So here's hoping for a race in DA3 or ME3 or whatever is in the works for Bioware where you don't see a single pixel of the menfolk, and not just because lesbians are awesome.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:42 .

[KLUME777]

where did Gaider say this? I want Proof.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

KLUME777 wrote...

where did Gaider say this? I want Proof.

Just to clarify, what I wrote is speculation based on how things usually go behind the scenes in the industry. All Gaider has said, I believe, is "No" re: female qunari.

My point is that the reason you only get what you get in video games has little to nothing to do with the artists, writers, and so on and much more if not all to do with memory, cost, and time. So you can sit and rationalize it away by talking about the Qunari culture, which is valid, because the way I see it the culture was written to be the way it is to keep the player suspending disbelief about an omission that in reality probably boils down to memory constraints. It takes brilliant writing to keep players arguing about the lore when the alternative is for them (us!) to wait longer or pay more for content. But I reiterate: I personally would like to see the men of a species get swept under the rug for a change, and Asari don't count.

You probably weren't talking to me. Sigh. I've been holding in this rant for a while.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:09 .

[sanadawarrior]

Pseudocognition wrote...


I painted this after I saw the new race art. Then the Lady Qunari were swept under the rug with the Lady Krogan and so on. Grumble grumble.

I think it's time for an oversized bipedal species who send their women out into the world and keep the men at home, perhaps? One can dream...

Also I'm pretty sure the answer to why we won't see any in game is not "The Qun" but in fact "technical/memory limitations."

Not quite oversized, but Mithra in FFXI have very few males(I think, I know they exist but don't remember why you never see one) and you can only play as a female of their species. However they are cat girls so I'm guessing there was some sort of discomfort with drawing a cat boy that lead to that decision.

[idoless24]

Pseudocognition wrote...


I painted this after I saw the new race art. Then the Lady Qunari were swept under the rug with the Lady Krogan and so on. Grumble grumble.

I think it's time for an oversized bipedal species who send their women out into the world and keep the men at home, perhaps? One can dream...

Also I'm pretty sure the answer to why we won't see any in game is not "The Qun" but in fact "technical/memory limitations."

Beautiful work! Hm..wonder why Bioware has remained so quiet in this particular thread..how about an answer to the outcry?

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

sanadawarrior wrote...

Not quite oversized, but Mithra in FFXI have very few males(I think, I know they exist but don't remember why you never see one) and you can only play as a female of their species. However they are cat girls so I'm guessing there was some sort of discomfort with drawing a cat boy that lead to that decision.

Its a marketing thing. Catgirls = marketable. Catboys = niche, and "gay" to a lot of people, which in just about all cultures today is considerably less marketable. The squealing girls of the internet may disagree but to represent your game to the masses, the masses who generally accept that male characters can look more destructive than attractive but females have to look more attractive than career/experience appropriate, maybe catboys are not the best thing to put on the poster. Consider the outcry over Lady Hawke's chin.

Maybe someone in the ranks thought big muscular gray women were somehow not sexy? Not as likely as memory constraints, but I hope by Dragon Age 3 if there will be such a game, if DA2 makes enough profit, somebody in the vast depths of Bioware will reconsider the issue.

[Saibh]

tez19 wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Reasons to buy DA2

Qunari fems
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troll much

He's joking/being ironic.

[Malanek]

silentassassin264 wrote...
I assure you when America invaded Iraq, they had civilian contractors in the beginning and throughout the conflict.  Even if it is just medics you would have some civilian arm helping out and the female qunari would be the ones managing it.

You can't really compare a modern day millitary operation to one which has the technological level found in DA:O. They don't have planes, airports, tanks or the same ease of communications. Everything about a Qunari invasion would happen much, much, much slower. As in years opposed to days. The administrators would be off shore in Par Vollen and quite possibly the only female Qunari involved in the front lines of an invasion would be mages.

[Lord Gremlin]

Maybe we'll see female qunari mages? Because female qunari mage is considered an object, tool, not a person or a woman. Should male Hawke get one as a companion he'll probably remind her who she is in the most natural way.



As for questions why Bioware is silent by now you should know that they love teasing us. And in March you'll rush to buy the game to finally check if qunari females are in there.

[Darkchipper07]

Pseudocognition wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

Not quite oversized, but Mithra in FFXI have very few males(I think, I know they exist but don't remember why you never see one) and you can only play as a female of their species. However they are cat girls so I'm guessing there was some sort of discomfort with drawing a cat boy that lead to that decision.

Its a marketing thing. Catgirls = marketable. Catboys = niche, and "gay" to a lot of people, which in just about all cultures today is considerably less marketable. The squealing girls of the internet may disagree but to represent your game to the masses, the masses who generally accept that male characters can look more destructive than attractive but females have to look more attractive than career/experience appropriate, maybe catboys are not the best thing to put on the poster. Consider the outcry over Lady Hawke's chin.

Maybe someone in the ranks thought big muscular gray women were somehow not sexy? Not as likely as memory constraints, but I hope by Dragon Age 3 if there will be such a game, if DA2 makes enough profit, somebody in the vast depths of Bioware will reconsider the issue.

Best way to make people buy the game new not used "female qunari companion DLC" same way they did with Shale. Bet a lot of people will want this and therefore they would make more money.