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[casedawgz]

simfamSP wrote...

What chapter did you get up to before uninstalling? And please...no lies. I've had enough of Internet lies anyway.

How crappy can a games opening be before "the good parts" before it starts to lose points for having a crappy opening? The early chapters are as much a part of the game as the later chapters, and they're bad. A part of the whole is of inferior quality. I can't fault people for not sticking with it. Look at FFXIII. People defend it by saying "oh, it gets much better 20 hours in." Why suffer through the first 20 hours at all for the limited payoff of it EVENTUALLY turning into a better game?

Modifié par casedawgz, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:39 .

[Quercus]

Marionetten wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...
Sounds
like you didn't played the game, collecting quests were only side
quests, all the other good quest which didn't involved collecting or
killing x amound were all story quests. The detective chapter 2 part was
especialy good, there was even a part were you needed to indentify the
course of dead on a body.

Too bad the entire game was littered with these side quests. Don't speak as if the game had ****ty part it was only in the side quests then the entire game is still okay. ME1 had all those terrible planets you get to visit with the same building layout and boring quests. That wasn't required and it still made the game terrible for me. BG1 had a little of that with the abundance of random areas with terrible quests (in comparison, BG2 had amazing side quests). A more recent example is ME2 and the resource gathering system that was just ...

Lol, that is not true, at most I had only 6 of those side quest in my journall, and I only completed those who were crossing me during the story quest, and you could only have gotten them from some board at an inn.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Ayanko]

Rememeber the time Alien sex in Me2 was seen as beastiality...good times. Not to mention how they got all whiney with the film avatar for the same reasons.

[Marionetten]

AuraofMana wrote...

Yeah, it was so complicated that those quests were just CNP'd in generic Asian MMORPG's. Well, it's apparent you obviously don't understand the difference between:
1. Having quests that defined the game because the overwhelming majority of them are in the game AND
2. Having quests in the game that does NOT define the game and is a small percentage out of the total amount of quests in the game.

Says the one who played a whooping two hours of the game. That's like me playing two hours of Dragon Age: Origins and ragequitting over the terrible mage origin. Believe me, I was tempted.

AuraofMana wrote...

Here's a thought for you: see, in TW I have to go down some sewer ESPECIALLY to kill some monsters (and iirc, they only spawn after you accept the quest and if multiple quests are in the same area, you get to go down multiple times). Gathering poultrices and killing drakes were not grindfests because it is inevitable you'll encounter them along the way if you just PLAY THE GAME. Finishing a quest on the way to a main quest is not the same thing.

So, the argument is that you had to go out of your way for it? I suppose. But this really is no different from how you had to go out of your way to acquire certain materials in Dragon Age: Origins. Maybe you got lucky and got all your corpse galls, poultices and toxin extracts. Maybe the random loot system wasn't quite so kind to you. Not to mention all the fetch quests. This being a gargantuan example.

Speaking of the random loot system, I sure enjoyed grinding Sophia Dryden a hundred times just to get that stupid shield.

AuraofMana wrote...

I thought it was pretty obvious I am a Bioware fanboy by this point.

Believe me, it is.

Do note that there is a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. Being a fanboy is nothing anyone should be proud over.

Modifié par Marionetten, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[AuraofMana]

simfamSP wrote...

What chapter did you get up to before uninstalling? And please...no lies. I've had enough of Internet lies anyway.

Edit: You just see the bad in every single game don't you? Alot of people do that. It's like one bad thing will just overshadow all that is good. Your better of reading books if your going to complain about everything. Now please. Lets get back on topic before it gets locked. Dave is right, it's becoming a game v game thread, and shamefully I started it.

I remember going through that village with the witch (the village was named Seawall I think... maybe not), then going into the city, and then doing some of those sewer quests, then doing quests for those hookers, and I started on some quests for the knights and then I ragequit because it was more grind.
I listed some of the Bioware games I see that has flaws to list examples where I do judge a game based on its gameplay, not based on the developer. Last time I checked, Bioware had more games than the ones I listed (and certainly I've played more games than those, so you need to get your logic straight). Apparently if someone doesn't like something someone else likes, that someone else ends up calling the other guy a hater on everything, and then proceeds to act as if he is open-minded and tries to end the discussion right there without any other logical rebuttal.

[Pedrak]

Speaking in general, it's quite typical of RPGs to start with a whimper, rather than with a bang.

DAO, in a way, was an exception, since I found the various Origins engrossing and interesting.

But, while it is true that a good middle part is no excuse for a boring beginning, it is worth knowing that what looks like a mediocre game can get much, much better in a couple of hours (and I'm not thinking just about TW here; KOTOR 2 also had a terribly slow and boring start; so did Arcanum, etc., and even the awesome BG2 had that initial dungeon which, while not bad, wasn't that great either compared to the rest of the game).

To go back in topic, a fellow poster mentioned ME 1... I personally would appreciate even something slightly less tame than that... without getting too graphic, though.

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:46 .

[ProudNegro]

This thread is now about ET Vs Dragon age

[Ayanko]

simfamSP wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Rememeber the time Alien sex in Me2 was seen as beastiality...good times. Not to mention how they got all whiney with the film avatar for the same reasons.

LOL! Who whined about that??

Ever seen the love scene in Avatar? Well there was more too it, it was getting pretty graphical. Basically there was a huge argument if it should be allowed into the rest of the film because apprantly to aliens having sex, well 1 and a human because it counts as beastiality. The whine f@gs (FilmsCritics, News, Extreme Christians, etc) Ended up winning so they took the scene out.

[Untamed_skies]

It really depends on what they do with the nudity doesn't it? I mean there are really two ways games seem to swing these days with nudity. There are games that are way over the top and shove the fact that they have naked women down your throat. Like I'd say they try to make it a shock factor. Boobs shouldn't be in a game just for the sake of having boobs.



I think if you're going to have a sex scene then you shouldn't be afraid of nudity. I don't think you need to show anything in the sex scene, there are plenty of movies that show hip, shoulder, bodies entwined and hiding everything. That would fit appropriately into games. "Mass Effect 1" is a good example, "Prince of Persia Sands" of time did it as well.



I think Dragon Age: Origins tried to appease everyone, they had the sex scene for the people who wanted it, but censored it for the people who don't like to see nudity. And it resulted in a diaper sex scene. They need to pick one or the other. It's like two people coming up to you and asking for two different kinds of burgers, one wants it rare the other well done. Making a medium burger is going to make no one happy. This is pretty much the same thing

[Seifz]

casedawgz wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

What chapter did you get up to before uninstalling? And please...no lies. I've had enough of Internet lies anyway.

How crappy can a games opening be before "the good parts" before it starts to lose points for having a crappy opening? The early chapters are as much a part of the game as the later chapters, and they're bad. A part of the whole is of inferior quality. I can't fault people for not sticking with it. Look at FFXIII. People defend it by saying "oh, it gets much better 20 hours in." Why suffer through the first 20 hours at all for the limited payoff of it EVENTUALLY turning into a better game?

Because the rest of FFXIII is really, really, really awesome.  It's like when you read a new book and the first few chapters are a bit dull because the author has to explain the setting, magic system, etc.  Once that's through, the book really picks up and you're glad that you made it through the opening.

Don't take this as a defense of The Witcher (incredibly boring game) or the concept of a slow start in general (I'm not a fan).  But FFXIII was worth it, for me, even though the beginning kinda sucked.

On topic... More like Morrigan (sex isn't the end goal), less like Leliana (sex is so obviously the end goal).  I mean, Leliana is by far my favorite companion (with Shale a close second!), but the romance was just so cliche and dull because I knew that it was just leading up to a sex scene.  On the other hand, Morrigan's romance actually developed after the sex, which is much more realistic.

[The Edge]

[quote]slimgrin wrote...

[quote]RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

If you want to masterbate, download pornography. DA2 will be about story. You don't need to see nudity to enjoy a good story. And if, by some insane need, you must have nudity to enjoy a story, I don't want to hear about your birthday.[/quote]

Nudity isn't pornography. Just sayin'...

[ProudNegro]

FFXIII was definetely not worth it i only played it trough because of saaz and his striking resemblance to the nigras that close the pool in habbo (I **** You Not)

[Heavenblade]

I hate the word tasteful. "Taste" is something invented by bored rich people who judge their own worth based on the subjective approval of their peers on that which they consume.
Forget taste... will the "nudity and scrogging" be aesthetically pleasing? Will it take place at opportune and proper times? Will our LI foolishly don a giant magical golden bra before sex?

I don't care about the quantity at all. Only the quality, and by relation, the timing.

Modifié par Heavenblade, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Seifz]

ProudNegro wrote...

FFXIII was definetely not worth it i only played it trough because of saaz and his striking resemblance to the nigras that close the pool in habbo (I **** You Not)

To each his own.  I very much enjoyed the combat system, story, and characters.  My point was that sometimes it's worth playing through a slow opening for the awesome game that comes after.

Modifié par Seifz, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[AuraofMana]

Shiroukai wrote...
Lol, that is not true, at most I had only 6 of those side quest in my journall, and I only completed those who were crossing me during the story quest, and you could only have gotten them from some board at an inn.

I am a completist, so I end up doing everything. I also happen to be a min-max guy, so I actually need to do everything. Not doing quests doesn't work for me so :/

Marionetten wrote...
Says
the one who played a whooping two hours of the game. That's like me
playing two hours of Dragon Age: Origins and ragequitting over the
terrible mage origin. Believe me, I was tempted.

I am just going to quote this guy:

casedawgz wrote...
How
crappy can a games opening be before "the good parts" before it starts
to lose points for having a crappy opening? The early chapters are as
much a part of the game as the later chapters, and they're bad. A part
of the whole is of inferior quality. I can't fault people for not
sticking with it. Look at FFXIII. People defend it by saying "oh, it
gets much better 20 hours in." Why suffer through the first 20 hours at
all for the limited payoff of it EVENTUALLY turning into a better
game?

And you can dismiss DA:O by having playing two hours of it. There's nothing wrong with that.
What you are arguing reminds me of those people who are hooked on some generic Asian MMORPG, and when I confront them with the fact that grinding monsters all day and gaining little or no progress toward the next level is ****ty they come and tell me: "Don't worry, the game gets really good later on. You just have to grind for a month until that happens." <-Yeah, I am not buying that.

Marionetten wrote...
So, the argument is that
you had to go out of your way for it? I suppose. But this really is no
different from how you had to go out of your way to acquire certain
materials in Dragon Age: Origins. Maybe you got lucky and got all your
corpse galls, poultices and toxin extracts. Maybe the random loot system
wasn't quite so kind to you. Not to mention all the fetch quests. This being a gargantuan example.

Speaking of the random loot system, I sure enjoyed grinding Sophia Dryden a hundred times just to get that stupid shield.

Except you can still get all those materials by simply playing the game. It was only a matter of time because you still need to fight those monsters in pretty much every main quest. However, in TW you end up having to go down to the damn sewer, fight monsters, and run back in... rinse and repeat <- NOW THAT IS GRIND.

Marionetten wrote...
Believe me, it is.

Do note that there is a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. Being a fanboy is nothing anyone should be proud over.

Because you should tell me how I should feel, act, and what I should like. I feel proud to be a Bioware fanboy because Bioware deserves it. I've also showed that I don't like everything Bioware has ever done, so you can stop trying to use this fact against me because it's only exacerbating your already terrible logic.

simfamSP wrote...
I am not calling you a
hater don't be silly!...ok I am. But what do you expect if all I see is
bloody hate coming out of your words?

That's because you are so blind in your defense that you see anything and everything as hate toward you and what you like. I commended TW on its maturity in its sex and romance and I've also expressed dislike over some of Bioware's games to show that this is not based on the developers.

simfamSP wrote...
What chapter did you go into? Look all I'm saying
if you played Chapter one and left it because the side quests were about
killed x and give to y your not a gamer, your a quitter. I played
through NWN without pulling any hairs of my body!

TBH, NWN1 had a boring tutorial, and the first part of the 4 part Chapter One (I think I went to the prison first) was pretty boring, but as soon as I get to another area in Chapter One things start to get interesting and I played through the whole game pretty fast. It was a pretty enjoyable game.
Another example of this is BG2's Irenicus dungeon. That part was mediocre at best but it ends pretty quickly and you get the whole world to explore (BG2 remains my favorite RPG to this date). I also found games like ME1, ME2, IWD, IWD2, Jade Empire, and BG1 beginnings to be pretty boring. Games like KotOR series were also notoriously annoying in that you didn't get a lightsaber for a long time (iirc, half of the game for the first game, and the first part of the game in the second game). An exception is DA:O because I started it as a Mage, and I found the Harrowing to be pretty good. As soon as I realized that guy was the demon, and how the whole plot point for the Harrowing was set up I knew this was going to be a great game. I also happened to like the Human Noble origin (it feels like this was the one with the most work), especially since you can end up being royalty (female especially, since the king is Alistair and you have him around starting from Ostagar).

Which reminds me to pull up this pic:
Edit: pic displays terribly, linking: gza.gameriot.com/content/images/orig_320200_1_1257581825.png

Modifié par AuraofMana, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:05 .

[Pedrak]

My point is that games shouldn't throw in boobs just for the sake of it, but they shouldn't be AFRAID of depicting sex either. If videogames strive to be art, or even to be taken seriously, they should push the envelope and not be afraid to feature mature content as long as it's handled well. And we are not talking about pornography here, but about a realistic depiction of human sexuality.
And I don't buy the argument that (optional) nudity would hurt the sales... DAO was already a M-rated game, it's not as if it was aimed at kids. It's quite the opposite, because: 1) the DAO marketing campaign put a great emphasis on the mature content and 2) sex sells

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Quercus]

slimgrin wrote...

As long as games are 'meant' solely for children, adult content in them will always ruffle someone's feathers. This is why games like ------ and ------ are important, because they push the envelope.



* insert the game of your liking here. I dare not rile the haters any further.

It's sad but true, even though most gamers are 30+.

[Heavenblade]

I agree Slimgrin. It's the whole "Age Ghetto" thing at work. As if 14 year old kids don't look at dirty pictures anyways.



Which is why I like my ------ and ------. They take all the conventions regarding what is acceptable and what is not and sets them on fire and stomps on them. Now if only stores would sell those games and you didn't have to import them...