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Shadow_broker wrote...

Alright since no one else has brought it up i will!
Should we get Nudity in DA2 and to what extent? Should Romance scenes show Boobs? Should Broodmothers put on Bras? Should hawke take a siblibg bath with Bethany? These are the questions that kept me up at night
How much nudity do you want/expect from DA2 and why. 

As long as they don't pull a Ballad of gay tony or something of that caliber i think i'll be fine

I'd like to see a user configurable rating. The more sensitive players can tone it down either by outfits and/or skipping parts of the cutscene. Those of us that live vicariously through our characters and want the full experience can have it available.

[SirOccam]

Seifz wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Seifz wrote...

The difference between porn and not porn shouldn't be how much nudity, or what kind of nudity, or what acts are acceptable.  Pornography is made for a specific purpose (sexual arrousal).  Other films are made for other purposes (to tell a story, to educate).  They shouldn't be labeled "porn" just because they show a penis or some doggy-style sex.

No, but deciding "hmm, we should show them doing it doggy-style" doesn't really sound like "story" is the first thing on their minds. Now it's not impossible that a certain position might have an effect on a story, but it's not (or at least shouldn't be) a common thing. Same with closeups of genitalia or just excessive detail in general. I mean...some things are best left to the imagination. This is where subtlety and nuance come into it.

If you want to keep living in a fantasy world where everyone has sex missionary style, nobody has any fetishes, and genitalia is something of the imagination, then by all means.

Okay, then you tell me: how does showing fetishes or inventive sex positions add to the story? It's obvious that such things are put in only to titillate the viewer. And that is precisely what makes porn porn.

I never said no one on Thedas is allowed to have fetishes or prefer exotic positions. But there's a difference between disallowing the possibility of their existence and not needing to see it.

I fail to see how "these characters are having sex, right now, on your screen" is subtle in any way.  If you want subtle, then you cut out before the sex happens.  If you're going to show sex, then show sex.  Don't show half-sex.  That's my point.

Well, that's sort of the textbook definition of "subtle." The whole idea is to convey action without showing every last bit in garish detail. Showing that they're having sex without having to actually show the penis entering the vagina; that is subtlety. How you can argue against such a thing seriously boggles my mind.

I suppose if a character in a movie has to go to the bathroom, you think we need to see the poop actually coming out?

(Eww. Sorry for being gross everyone.)

I don't care what position they're in, or how close up you get, and that's the whole idea.  It shouldn't matter!  These restrictions on positions and camera angle and body parts are just stupid.  Sex is sex.  End.

I'm all for eschewing unreasonable censorship, but this is a little insane. This type of "censorship" isn't unreasonable. There is such a thing as "too much information" in movies and games and stories of all kinds. If a story calls for two characters to have sex, then by all means include it. But it's not necessary to show every last pore on their skin to get the point across. It's called being tasteful.

Modifié par SirOccam, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:51 .

[Spazztik]

I say yay for more nudity. . . or at least a more interesting sex scene. . . geeez DAO it was alright but could've been way better. . . and thats not even complaining about the awful underwear! lol

[Bryy_Miller]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Alright since no one else has brought it up i will!
Should we get Nudity in DA2 and to what extent? Should Romance scenes show Boobs? Should Broodmothers put on Bras? Should hawke take a siblibg bath with Bethany? These are the questions that kept me up at night
How much nudity do you want/expect from DA2 and why. 

As long as they don't pull a Ballad of gay tony or something of that caliber i think i'll be fine

This entire thread is pointless, it's not up to us.

[Lyssistr]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Alright since no one else has brought it up i will!
Should we get Nudity in DA2 and to what extent? Should Romance scenes show Boobs? Should Broodmothers put on Bras? Should hawke take a siblibg bath with Bethany? These are the questions that kept me up at night
How much nudity do you want/expect from DA2 and why. 

As long as they don't pull a Ballad of gay tony or something of that caliber i think i'll be fine

In sex scenes yes they should show boobs.

Hawke & Bethany bath, I wouldn't want it in the game as it ships but hey!, an Imoen mod is welcome 

[Burritos]

I can't believe this whole thread is about seeing virtual ******.

Modifié par Burritos, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[Lyssistr]

Burritos wrote...

I can't believe this whole thread is about seeing virtural ******.

Dude, you've missed many boobthreads 

[Solstice-x]

Burritos wrote...

I can't believe this whole thread is about seeing virtural ******.

It's understandable to an extent that a thread such as this would exist, but it's getting quite ridiculous. 

[upsettingshorts]

Burritos wrote...

I can't believe this whole thread is about seeing virtural ******.

This is hardly an unprecedented occurrence on these boards.

[dan107]

To those who are "puzzled" by the fact that people want virtual ******, I'll re-quote this exellent post from earlier in the thread.

asaiasai wrote...

I think on the issue of adult content it should be up to the player as to how much or how little they would like in thier game. I also understand while some folks do not that ALL porn is pixelated. It does not matter if you pop in a VHS, DVD, CD, click a link called www.creaturesoflust.com, if you are viewing it, it is pixelated period and no argument can be made to the contrary. The rational for this is all TVs or computer monitors are nothing more than a pixelated display of various resolutions. Whether it is the 640X480 of a standard TV, the 1080p of a high def plasma, or the native 1920X1080 of the average computer monitor, every one of the common devices is a collection of pixels with the only variation being the size of the pixels. So now that BS is out of the way we can now discuss the real issue of pornography.

In pornography it is the graphic depiction of the dehumanization of another human being for the sexual gratification of the viewer plain and simple. This is someone's son or daughter being dehumanized for various reasons, whether it be to feed thier bellies, or thier habits. There are the rare examples of porn queens who have managed to parley thier activities into big money such as Tera Patrick, or Tracy Lords, but these examples are rare and NOT the norm. As i am a man who can find the beauty in the female form in myriad of shapes and sizes i like pronography, but i have to balance that enjoyment off of the exploitation. Even in that case there is still a modicum of exploitation, even if the job is her choice it still prevents full enjoyment.

Now the difference in a computer game is that first and foremost, there is no exploitation, there is no dehumanization, it could almost be considered guilt free. The sexual content that the player chooses to excercise with thier PC effects no one but the player. The player might feel for thier character but i can assure you with certainty that the warden does not. The only consideration, and it is a big one, is for the individuals who will have to animate the player character who will have to breathe life into the animation for the players enjoyment. But again that is a choice of the individual animator, and the company who pays him.

I do not under any circumstances think that adult content or even nudity should be in in the normal release of the game. If the developers decide to make this as additional content for sale at additional cost in the form of an exclusive DLC i would not be opposed, more to the point i would welcome it.

Asai

[GodWood]

I'm not one of those sleezes who plays the romances purely for the sex scenes but I always figured, if I can cut off a man's head why can't I see a penis or breasts during a sex scene.

[Zreon]

I still have a hard time understanding why nudity is offensive to some people but violence and gore isn't mentioned at all. I mean what is worse? A pair of naked breasts and a bare butt or decapitating human enemies and watching their heads fly off while you get drenched in gallons of blood?



If I had any say in this matter (which I don't, don't worry ^^) I would tone down the violence for DA2 a bit, do sex scenes like in ME1 (maybe a bit more daring), but leave them skipable. I would also incorporate more mature themes into the story and quests. More moral dilemmas which are all very "grey and grey" instead of "black and white". I think that would be much better than adding tons of gore and nudity in an attempt to make the game "mature".



On that note, I think the sex scenes could actually be used as a further opportunity of showing the companions personalities. I'm not talking porno here, but little things. A shy character could for example be showned as getting lowered onto the bed while looking at the player character over him/her, while a wild character might be shown wrapped around the PC and biting his/her shoulder before the scene fades to black.

I don't think that tasteless or offensive and of course, there is always the ESC button.

[shootist70]

Zreon wrote...

I still have a hard time understanding why nudity is offensive to some people but violence and gore isn't mentioned at all. I mean what is worse? A pair of naked breasts and a bare butt or decapitating human enemies and watching their heads fly off while you get drenched in gallons of blood?

Also, I'm not sure why there's such a big taboo as far as sex/nudity in games is concerned. You watch a mature rated action movie - you get sex scenes. Sex scenes in the majority of action/thriller/crime/drama films I can think of. It's not porn, it's just a creative device for humanising characters in a way pretty much all humans can identify with. It's also entertaining in itself.

Why we still have such a juvenile attitude to seeing these things in mature rated games is beyond me.

Modifié par shootist70, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Quercus]

shootist70 wrote...

Zreon wrote...

I still have a hard time understanding why nudity is offensive to some people but violence and gore isn't mentioned at all. I mean what is worse? A pair of naked breasts and a bare butt or decapitating human enemies and watching their heads fly off while you get drenched in gallons of blood?

Also, I'm not sure why there's such a big taboo as far as sex/nudity in games is concerned. You watch a mature rated action movie - you get sex scenes. Sex scenes in the majority of action/thriller/crime/drama films I can think of. It's not porn, it's just a creative device for humanising characters in a way pretty much all humans can identify with. It's also entertaining in itself.

Why we still have such a juvenile attitude to seeing these things in mature rated games is beyond me.

And I can bet ya, that they (those who are against nudity but not violence) will never comment on this because they don't know the anwser themselves.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:02 .

[foodstuffs]

It's a matter of necessity and relevance for me, Violence is usually both, while sex is usually neither.

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foodstuffs wrote...

It's a matter of necessity and relevance for me, Violence is usually both, while sex is usually neither.

In the words of Gwar:

"what good is all the violence in the world, unless it is tempered with limitless sex. Bring on the limitless sex objects."

Seriously though, by selecting romance conversation options, you are making sex a relevant issue.


I agree with the idea that mature video games should have the same freedom of expression as movies/television. Watch shows like Rome and Spartacus, Blood & Sand and you'll see quite a bit of nudity. Why? Because these shows depict foreign cultures that have a different attitude toward sex and nudity. Isn't it conceivable that traveling across Thedas, or jumping around various star systems, one could stumble across such cultures?

As long as the story remains good, bring on the gratuitous sex and violence.

[Osena109]

i liked how they handled Nudity in The Witcher it was tasteful

[SirOccam]

There needs to be a distinction made, though. Are you talking about an idealized vision of what video games should be like one day, or are you talking about what you want in Dragon Age 2?

Naturally I'd love for everyone on earth to get over their ridiculous taboos and be able to maturely handle nudity as well as violence and whatever else. Then games and movies could show exactly what needs to be shown and neither exploit (as in porn) nor comically censor (as in DAO's sex scenes), because people would be able to handle it in the latter and not need it in the former. Forbidden fruit tastes sweetest, as Leliana might say, so if it wasn't such a big deal, porn wouldn't be compelling.

But if we're talking about DA2, then I'd want either a scene like ME1 or a fade-to-black. Realistically speaking, both of these things could happen, and either one would be an improvement over DAO.

[Lumikki]

None, it's not needed for gameplay. I'm not playing house with virtual barbi dolls.

Modifié par Lumikki, 09 septembre 2010 - 02:17 .

[casedawgz]

Osena109 wrote...

i liked how they handled Nudity in The Witcher it was tasteful

A deck of cards with your sexual conquests in various states of undress? Tasteful. Huh.

[foodstuffs]

UNAVAILABLE wrote...

foodstuffs wrote...

It's a matter of necessity and relevance for me, Violence is usually both, while sex is usually neither.

In the words of Gwar:

"what good is all the violence in the world, unless it is tempered with limitless sex. Bring on the limitless sex objects."

Seriously though, by selecting romance conversation options, you are making sex a relevant issue.


I agree with the idea that mature video games should have the same freedom of expression as movies/television. Watch shows like Rome and Spartacus, Blood & Sand and you'll see quite a bit of nudity. Why? Because these shows depict foreign cultures that have a different attitude toward sex and nudity. Isn't it conceivable that traveling across Thedas, or jumping around various star systems, one could stumble across such cultures?

As long as the story remains good, bring on the gratuitous sex and violence.

Hence "usually."  If it is necessary and/or relevant then I have no objections.  I was not aware, however, that romance automatically meant sex.

[Niten Ryu]

"Nudity and Scrogging? how much remains Tasteful and how much do you want"



From european perspective something like Girlfriend Films or Thursday Night Video level of lesbian erotica could be the right amount of nudity and sex in video games.



Good amount of foreplay, bad camera work, long enough scenes and lot's of cuddling and kissing.