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[Dr. wonderful]

Shiroukai wrote...

Here's a Witcher 2 example of a nude scene:

What is with you and the Witcher?

It nice that you excited with the game, but  why?

[Bobad]

I was looking forward to playing Witcher:Rise of the White Wolf on 360, then I read recently that it was cancelled, I still have it on pre-order from play.com for release later this month, so they might have a copy from another dimension or something.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

If you want to masterbate, download pornography. DA2 will be about story. You don't need to see nudity to enjoy a good story. And if, by some insane need, you must have nudity to enjoy a story, I don't want to hear about your birthday.

[nhsk]

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

[ErichHartmann]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

If you want to masterbate, download pornography. DA2 will be about story. You don't need to see nudity to enjoy a good story. And if, by some insane need, you must have nudity to enjoy a story, I don't want to hear about your birthday.

Somebody has a dirty mind.....

[casedawgz]

nhsk wrote...

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

I never understood the fascination, and I played it for 3 or 4 hours. I wasn't having any fun. Last time I mentioned that on this forum a bunch of  witcher fans were all YOU DIDN"T GIVE IT A CHANCE! But my question is this: how long should one play a game they're not enjoying to get to "the good parts"?

[Quercus]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...

Here's a Witcher 2 example of a nude scene:

What is with you and the Witcher?

It nice that you excited with the game, but  why?

Maybe because it's a really good fantasy RPG game? It has the potential to become the best RPG of 2011.
Plus I love rivalry between companies, because it will be the consumer who win eventually.
Bioware pretty much was the only fantasy cRPG company, but now a smaller and new company showed with the name CDproject who making similiar kind of fantasy cRPGs with choice & effect.

But truly, TW1 is a good game, and TW2 will be even better from what we've seen so far, which can hardly make me wait for it. But the same counts for DA2.

[Quercus]

nhsk wrote...

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

If x is better then Y, it doesn't mean that Y is bad. As a matter of fact I love Y, I just like x a little better for now.

[Marionetten]

nhsk wrote...

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

The Witcher 2 does a lot of things better than Dragon Age: Origins did. Sex being one of them. Grittiness being another. And let's not forget about sheaths. How long have we asked for sheaths? There is no reason why BioWare shouldn't glance over at CD Projekt and see what they are doing right instead of doing a repeat of what sucked in Origins. There is nothing wrong with learning from the competition.

Modifié par Marionetten, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[ProudNegro]

But is y is better than x doesnt x fans will stay on the y forums saying how bad x game is bad because y fans are at their forum bashing x at the same time?



LOLWUT

[AuraofMana]

Marionetten wrote...
The Witcher 2 does a lot of things better than Dragon Age: Origins did. Sex being one of them. Grittiness being another. There is no reason why BioWare shouldn't glance over at CD Projekt and see what they are doing right instead of doing a repeat of what sucked in Origins. There is nothing wrong with learning from the competition.

Other than Romance and Sex, the rest of the game is a complete grindfest and boring as hell. If that's a competition to Bioware then Bioware should be struggling to maintain business. Until someone can answer me why are all those Kill X Gather Y quests and clicky-clicky-TIME CLICK! combat and ****ty, over-complicated alchemy system + ****ty leveling scheme is amazing, I don't see any legit reasoning to compare TW1 or TW2 to any of Bioware's games (well, other than the fact that TW1 used a modified version of the Aurora Engine).
To me, TW1 + 2 are on the same tier as all the other "looks kind of cool, but then when you play it it's like ... and you uninstall it in 10 minutes" RPG's that have been flooding the market these last few years, such as Gothic, Risen, Drakensang. If I wanted a grindfest I'll log onto WoW. Now that I think about it, it always seems like it's an European developer that makes these terrible games.
Seriously, I had more fun playing Diablo 2 as a story-driven RPG than those games, and Diablo 2 is an ARPG with little or no storyline (and it's the ****).

Modifié par AuraofMana, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:54 .

[nhsk]

Marionetten wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

The Witcher 2 does a lot of things better than Dragon Age: Origins did. Sex being one of them. Grittiness being another. There is no reason why BioWare shouldn't glance over at CD Projekt and see what they are doing right instead of doing a repeat of what sucked in Origins. There is nothing wrong with learning from the competition.

Sooooo you're basically saying that CDP learned a lot from TW1 to TW2... I wonder what BW did in between DA:O and DA2... But people talk about the witcher like it is the holy grail of awesome

[Marionetten]

AuraofMana wrote...

Other than Romance and Sex, the rest of the game is a complete grindfest and boring as hell. If that's a competition to Bioware than Bioware should be struggling to maintain business.

Grindfest? Clearly you have your games confused. Dragon Age: Origins had way more filler combat than The Witcher.

nhsk wrote...

Sooooo you're basically saying that CDP learned a lot from TW1 to TW2... I wonder what BW did in between DA:O and DA2... But people talk about the witcher like it is the holy grail of awesome

I'm saying that developers learn from each other. Do you honestly think CD Projekt designed The Witcher with no inspiration from games like Baldur's Gate? Of course not. CD Projekt used to translate BioWare titles.

Modifié par Marionetten, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[Fishy]

Hayllee wrote...

I'm not really into watching a porno, no. I giggled at the sex scenes in origins on how terrible they were, though. I personally skip them, better or not, because I just don't care. I don't really think there should be full blown nudity shown, because that's slightly distasteful, but the underwear should probably go. Not that it was bad, but it was awkward. It was the equivalent of when I was little having those stupid barbies that came with the painted bikini take a bath.

You still can make something very romantic  without gratuitous nudity or hardcore stuff like in gay tony .In Gay tony was more for a comedic purpose though.


The animation very weird in DA:O and the body proportion.Morrigan did not have the same body size in underwear vs her character robe. She had a man body model with boob.Plus the underwear were .... very ugly lol.

If they can manage it in movie why not in a video game?

Modifié par Suprez30, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Lets keep on topic... There is a Dragon age/Witcher thread already to compare, share, or rip eachothers' heads off if you prefer that...

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[AuraofMana]

Marionetten wrote...
Grindfest? Clearly you have your games confused.

Then explain all those terrible Kill X Gather Y quests and most of the game being monster hunting. If I wanted to play a grindfest MMORPG, I'll go find some generic Asian MMORPG to rage at.

[ErichHartmann]

Marionetten wrote...

nhsk wrote...

Getting tired of The Witcher analogues as well... If everything in The Witcher is so much better, why are people here?

The Witcher 2 does a lot of things better than Dragon Age: Origins did. Sex being one of them. Grittiness being another. And let's not forget about sheaths. How long have we asked for sheaths? There is no reason why BioWare shouldn't glance over at CD Projekt and see what they are doing right instead of doing a repeat of what sucked in Origins. There is nothing wrong with learning from the competition.

The Witcher 2 isn't even out yet, so I'll save my judgment for release rather than "hype".

[Marionetten]

AuraofMana wrote...

Then explain all those terrible Kill X Gather Y quests and most of the game being monster hunting. If I wanted to play a grindfest MMORPG, I'll go find some generic Asian MMORPG to rage at.

You mean like this?

Of course the game is about monster hunting. The Witcher is a professional monster slayer. It really is no different from how the Warden is a professional darkspawn slayer.

[Greifvogel]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

Breasts arent obscene... period. We got 5000 years of human art to proove it. Bioware can come up with the bull**** reason they want to justify being hypocritical.

Bioware wasn't the one to come up with this 'hyprocrisy'. Your parents and grandparents did.
 

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

How do you explain that a
"mithological" creature like the Lady of the Forest has them covered so
ridiculously by her hair?

It's a reasonable design call. If nipples would not distract you from the narrative, I salute you from moving on ahead of society.

[Pedrak]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

. You don't need to see nudity to enjoy a good story

True.

However:
1) Nudity is not a synonim of pornography.
2) Tasteful nudity can improve a game on a realistic/aesthetic level. Just as there is nothing wrong with a bit of violence (as long as it's not ludicriously over the top), there is even less wrong with some nudity in a fantasy RPG.
3) Contrary to many people's belief nudity and sex are neither inherently dirty, nor something to be ashamed of, nor something which can corrupt the mind. Funny how videogames strive to be "mature" and yet from certain point of views they have a (self-imposed and not) censorship which seems to date back to the Hays code.
4) Seriously, this double standard needs to end. In these games we are given the possibility to do awful things to innocent NPCs left and right - say, slaying an harmless old scholar with a knife in the back of his head - of stealing, murdering, desecrating, plundering... and yet showing your love interest's breasts during a quiet romantic scene is "sick stuff for perverts!". Hmm...

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[The Edge]

Suprez30 wrote...

Hayllee wrote...

I'm not really into watching a porno, no. I giggled at the sex scenes in origins on how terrible they were, though. I personally skip them, better or not, because I just don't care. I don't really think there should be full blown nudity shown, because that's slightly distasteful, but the underwear should probably go. Not that it was bad, but it was awkward. It was the equivalent of when I was little having those stupid barbies that came with the painted bikini take a bath.

You still can make something very romantic  without gratuitous nudity or hardcore stuff like in gay tony .In Gay tony was more for a comedic purpose though.


The animation very weird in DA:O and the body proportion.Morrigan did not have the same body size in underwear.It's She had a man body model with boob.Plus the underwear were .... very ugly lol.

If they can manage it in movie why not in a video game?

If they make the romance scenes similar to Mass Effect 1, that's really as far as they should go, IMO.

They could go further I suppose, as long as it isn't crude.

Modifié par The Edge, 06 septembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[Warheadz]

About the sex scenes, I wish they could be handled with taste. In my opinion it should fade out, as i can't imagine video game sex that doesn't look awkward. Nudity shouldn't be avoided, but it should be used only when necessary. To me, in Origins it also felt very weird that when a person was bedded they just stood around the campfire and the screen faded away. It somehow felt very "ugly", cant find the word.

[AuraofMana]

Marionetten wrote...
You mean like this?

Okay, you found one quest in DA:O with it, OMG! The Witcher is literally FILLED with quests like that. In fact, the 2 hours I've been playing that game, all I remember is running down some terrible sewer to kill some stuff, then realized I can't gather some brain parts because my character didn't study the monster enough to find where its brain is. After that, I uninstalled.

Marionetten wrote...
Of course the game is about monster hunting. The Witcher is a professional monster slayer. It really is no different from how the Warden is a professional darkspawn slayer.

I don't remember 95% of the quests in DA:O requiring me to kill thousands of darkspawns to gather some sort of darkspawn brain. I remember doing varied quests beside killing monsters and gathering monster parts. TW is just a RPG, without the actual storyline, RPG pith and left with just the killing part, with a huge amount of MMORPG grindfest mixed in.

[Seifz]

Marionetten wrote...
I'm saying that developers learn from each other. Do you honestly think CD Projekt designed The Witcher with no inspiration from games like Baldur's Gate? Of course not. CD Projekt used to translate BioWare titles.

Plus, CDProjekt licensed the Aurora Engine from BioWare to create The Witcher.  So, I'm pretty sure that BioWare is quite thrilled with how well the game did. 

Anyway, sex scenes are a distraction that shouldn't exist in these games.  When the romance becomes "talk until (s)he agrees to have sex with you", they're not fun anymore.  Either write a real romance or leave them out entirely, IMO.  The Witcher was different because the sex wasn't generally so much about, uh, romance.