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[Frybread76]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

Maybe there were alot of people who made a custom Shep and didn't like his/her face and started over?  Or they didn't like the class or powers they picked and abandoned that game to begin another one?

[SonofMacPhisto]

Frybread76 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

Maybe there were alot of people who made a custom Shep and didn't like his/her face and started over?  Or they didn't like the class or powers they picked and abandoned that game to begin another one?

That happened with me.  On my first playthrough, I accidently loaded the wrong ME1 Shep.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Frybread76 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

Maybe there were alot of people who made a custom Shep and didn't like his/her face and started over?  Or they didn't like the class or powers they picked and abandoned that game to begin another one?

That would make sense.

I was thinking more along the lines of actually playing through for several hours and then quitting altogether.

[AngryFrozenWater]

theelementslayer wrote...

Guys you have to understand the wording

80% played as manshep. Yup I did that though I also put 6 more playthroughs as femshep. 80% could play man shep and 90% could play fem, it isnt exclusive

Yes. I see your point. That gives me hope.

[Frybread76]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

Maybe there were alot of people who made a custom Shep and didn't like his/her face and started over?  Or they didn't like the class or powers they picked and abandoned that game to begin another one?

That would make sense.

I was thinking more along the lines of actually playing through for several hours and then quitting altogether.

I get you.  What's confusing is these stats don't say "why" a person quit on a playthrough, just that they quit a playthrough.  95 percent of those who quit could have started another game and finished.

[Captain Crash]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

*snip*

I remember a thread like that on the old forums as well. A dev visited that thread, though. It was about how another EA company developed a cool in-game character customization tool. We hoped that something like that would be included in ME2. The dev also thought it was a cool development, but told us that for technical reasons (which he explained) it wouldn't be possible to implement that in a short time. So, we both had a different experience on the same topic. But the end result was the same. Nothing changed.

Fair enough then really.  But maybe were being a little harsh, I mean check This Comparison Picture


I mean they clearly worked on the appearance a lot when you check out that comparison.   So maybe the Devs were right about time constraints and how they have focused on the nitty gritty and adding improvements that way.  Now thats been accomplished maybe new styles and features will appear in ME3.  However adding it to the final chapter may be a bit to late by then. So I really dont expect anything else as much as I want it


Anyway sorry back on topic, I do think those figures are heavily rounded and simplified. However Bioware themselves have issued it and commented on the figures directly.  As a result they probably do use them in this simplified form.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:24 .

[TMA LIVE]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

What are you talking about? I've started maybe 300 games that I never finished. Example, Mario 64. Never finished it. Zelda: MM? Never finished it. Jade Empire? Never finished it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

TMA LIVE wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't understand how you can start a game and not complete it. I honestly don't think I've ever done that. This is especially surprising with a game like ME2.

What are you talking about? I've started maybe 300 games that I never finished. Example, Mario 64. Never finished it. Zelda: MM? Never finished it. Jade Empire? Never finished it.

Interesting...

[AngryFrozenWater]

Captain Crash wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

*snip*

I remember a thread like that on the old forums as well. A dev visited that thread, though. It was about how another EA company developed a cool in-game character customization tool. We hoped that something like that would be included in ME2. The dev also thought it was a cool development, but told us that for technical reasons (which he explained) it wouldn't be possible to implement that in a short time. So, we both had a different experience on the same topic. But the end result was the same. Nothing changed.

Fair enough then really.  But maybe were being a little harsh, I mean check This Comparison Picture

I mean they clearly worked on the appearance a lot when you check out that comparison.   So maybe the Devs were right about time constraints and how they have focused on the nitty gritty and adding improvements that way.  Now thats been accomplished maybe new styles and features will appear in ME3.  However adding it to the final chapter may be a bit to late by then. So I really dont expect anything else as much as I want it

Anyway sorry back on topic, I do think those figures are heavily rounded and simplified. However Bioware themselves have issued it and commented on the figures directly.  As a result they probably do use them in this simplified form.

About the improvements of the character creator. I think most of the FemSheps look very alike. There's no real diversity.

About the simplified numbers. Those puzzled me as well. I hope they'll use the real numbers. They look too "round" to me.

[didymos1120]

shinobi602 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I am really surprised Soldier class is the most played class by far.

Really? I expected that to be honest. It's the most versatile class.

If we had ME1 stats, I'd expect the same thing.  A lot of people just go default by default, and a lot of people also don't ever do replays. On my very first ME1 playthrough, all I changed was the first name.  I also never used that character (or the soldier class) ever again.  If I'd never replayed the game due to selling it on or whatever, you'd get a weird idea of what I "really" liked about ME just going by those two personal stats (played male, played soldier).

Also, here's something else that could be quite skewed: ME1 imports.  Especially on the PC.  I've used the save editor to whip up a few characters with custom ME1 flags, and then set the savegame state to finished (possibly screwing with that stat) and imported them as ME2 characters.  Who knows what other stats I messed with by doing that.  I mean, we don't even know where in the game code these "send this data" event triggers are placed.

Modifié par didymos1120, 06 septembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[Skyblade012]

Surprise, the most overpowered and catered-to class in the game is the one that gets played the most. Shocking!



Hell, Soldier isn't nearly my favorite class, but I've wound up playing it because it just makes combat so much simpler.





And BioWare is surprised at how many people imported saved games? I mean, seriously? After making such a huge deal about it, and letting everyone know, they expected no one to do it? Is that why they didn't bother to fix the stupid import flags?

[mosor]

krimesh wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Do these account for multiple playthroughs? Were they randomly selected from an individual's current playthrough which may or may not have been a simple experimental run?

I highly doubt these statistics are accurate; at the very least they aren't accurate how they're presented.

I agree. It is not clear what those number really mean form the data presented in the first post. They are meaningless.

I'm sure it takes in account multiple playthroughs, because that is one of the stats. The 50% completion rate is the rate people start a game but dont finish it. If a person started a game and scrapped their character and started a new game and finished it, they would be at 50%. As for malesheps, I can believe that stat. I played through 10 times, only 1 was a femshep.  Besides, what that stat is saying is 80% of people played a maleshep character. So even if you're a die hard femshep fan. You create and play a maleshep for lulz, then you're part of that 80%

Modifié par mosor, 06 septembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Skyblade012 wrote...

And BioWare is surprised at how many people imported saved games? I mean, seriously? After making such a huge deal about it, and letting everyone know, they expected no one to do it? Is that why they didn't bother to fix the stupid import flags?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe because the default story setting sucks so much ass?

[InvaderErl]

mosor wrote...

krimesh wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Do these account for multiple playthroughs? Were they randomly selected from an individual's current playthrough which may or may not have been a simple experimental run?

I highly doubt these statistics are accurate; at the very least they aren't accurate how they're presented.

I agree. It is not clear what those number really mean form the data presented in the first post. They are meaningless.

I'm sure it takes in account multiple playthroughs, because that is one of the stats. The 50% completion rate is the rate people start a game but dont finish it. If a person started a game and scrapped their character and started a new game and finished it, they would be at 50%. As for malesheps, I can believe that stat. I played through 10 times, only 1 was a femshep.  Besides, what that stat is saying is 80% of people played a maleshep character. So even if you're a die hard femshep fan. You create and play a maleshep for lulz, then you're part of that 80%

Well said, and the same in my case.

I've got like 5-6 MaleSheps but one FemShep and I'd wager that's included in the stat more or less. Obviously its not the complete stat for those who DIDN'T upload their data to Bioware and other such circumstances but I think we can use it to get a good idea as to what's going on in that regard.

[cachx]

Captain Crash wrote...
Fair enough then really.  But maybe were being a little harsh, I mean check This Comparison Picture
I mean they clearly worked on the appearance a lot when you check out that comparison. *snip* 

ME1 and M2 have the same quantity of face variations, ME2 just looks better thanks to superior graphics. You can recreate any (unmodded) custom face of ME2 in ME1 (check the converter in my sig).

As for the stats. Without knowing all details behind every single stat tracked, is very hard to make an informed comment about it.

For example, I have 6 sheps, but only 2 have gone through the SM, is the stat generator assuming I won't be playing with the other 4?

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Part of the reasoning behind these stats is that within these forums, most players are dedicated ME fans who would more likely than not finish the game more than once, and customize different classes and genders for their shepards. But in general, most gamers pick up an interesting-looking game, play it for a bit using defaults (in this case soldier and maleshep), and play until the next interesting game comes out, not neccessarily finishing it. I know that is what I would do if I didn't have this game recommended to me by a Bioware fan. I would have just read the review on gamespot, probably played on default, maybe with a maleshep customized after myself, and played until I got bored of it, never realizing how much more interesting the bioware social website made things.

[Throw_this_away]

silverfoxIII wrote...

Good stuff, can't believe that ONLY 50% that started mass effect 2 finished it, what is wrong with the other people.

I guess that every playthrough counts as starting ME2.  Of my 4 games... one is not completed... so I guess I added to that number.  

[Throw_this_away]

I would really like to see the LI choices statistics.



On one hand, the casual gamer would be more likely to pick Miranda, but they would be less likely to complete a playthrough to get those stats...

[wizardryforever]

I don't understand the indignation at these stats.  Does it really bother you that other people like to enjoy the game in a different way?  That a majority of ME2 players are different than you?  I has been pointed out that these statistics aren't put in context very well (Male and Female aren't mutually exclusive and so on).  But even if these numbers were hard facts with no room for interpretation, it really doesn't matter that much what others do, as long as you enjoy the game your own way.

I personally would like to see what the most used difficulty for complete playthroughs was.  What most people actually play on.  Could be enlightening.

[InvaderErl]

Agreed. Just from the article it sounded like Hudson had all sorts of stats, it would be interesting to see the rest of them.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Throw_this_away]

wizardryforever wrote...

I don't understand the indignation at these stats.  Does it really bother you that other people like to enjoy the game in a different way?  That a majority of ME2 players are different than you?  I has been pointed out that these statistics aren't put in context very well (Male and Female aren't mutually exclusive and so on).  But even if these numbers were hard facts with no room for interpretation, it really doesn't matter that much what others do, as long as you enjoy the game your own way.

I personally would like to see what the most used difficulty for complete playthroughs was.  What most people actually play on.  Could be enlightening.

As your post states... what others do matters little at this point in relation to ME2.  BUT, it is still interesting. 

Based on how squad mates were delt with between ME1 and ME2, one would think that popularity of characters would weight into ME3. 

[AresXX7]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Think about the positive effects of these stats. If 80% did change their appearance then we'll get at least a better character generator.

I hope so, the current choices suck IMO. (which is why I've settled with using the default face - which may have been their intention(s) in the first place).
My only fear is, they will think they're doing it right, and make no effort to improve it.
A lot of my starts have been scrapped, due to the Shep looking "off" in the game, as opposed to the customization screen.


I'm a bit surprised on the soldier class percentage ratio. I can see it for ME1 (unlimited ammo), but not with ME2 (heatsink clips). 
And, I thought there were more people, who prefered having biotic or tech abilities over just shooting.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 06 septembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[upsettingshorts]

As someone who near exclusively plays soldier, I do it for semi-RP reasons and because I like my biotics and tech powers in moderation - so I actively use my allies to get just that.



Plus I like having the right weapon for the right job, and being able to use them all helps with that.

[AdamNW]

silverfoxIII wrote...

Good stuff, can't believe that ONLY 50% that started mass effect 2 finished it, what is wrong with the other people.

Funny because 50% of people didn't import a save file.