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[Virginian]

When I played the first or second time my female human noble romanced Zevran, Alistair, & Leliana, but she never broke up with anyone.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

I've finished the game with multiple partners (Leliana and Morrigan). The trick is to break up with Morrigan when Leliana confronts you about it. Afterwards, retrieve Flemeth's Grimmoire and give it to Morrigan. You'll then have the chance to rekindle your romance with her. If you do, you'll be going steady with both Leliana and Morrigan and neither will have any idea of what's on the up and up.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Saibh wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I want my fantasy to have some reality--and having a full-fledged polygamist relationship doesn't scream realism to me. I mean, chances of? I don't see why BioWare should devote precious resources of their romances to something as fanservicey as Dawn Star and Silk Fox was instead of focusing on developing meaningful monogamous relationships.

Eh, the Warden can be persuasive enough to convince a mother to kill her own child. I don't see why  the PC with maxed out persuasion couldn't persuade certain people in his party be okay with taking turns in engaging the horizontal shuffle. It really suspends my disbelief to see the Warden do the aforementioned feat or even convince Leliana to ignore her own religion (when this is the very basis for her thoughts and behavior), yet be unable to convince anyone of the benefits of sharing.

But he's not persuading her to kill her own child...? She sees that there's no help for him and decides to do it herself. No Persuasion involved. I'm going to post this, and then search for that in the toolset to see if I'm right.

Regardless, even if he had, Persuasion generally only works if people are already seeing your side, and haven't quite come to your conclusion. You generally just give them that extra nudge. Like a threesome with Isabela--should Alistair be hardened, you're simply convincing him to do something he already wants to do.

EDIT: Yes, just checked. There's no Persuade involved. What happens is you eventually concede to her pleas to not kill Connor (I'd say she Persuaded you), and then Connor starts acting bat**** and she feels that she has no choice, and prefers to be the one to end his life. For whatever morbid reason.

I suppose that one is about the cast-out mother in Dust Town, not Isolde.

Ooooooohhh. Alright, okay, I understand.

Yeah, that's plain weird. I mean, as I said, they must already be thinking about this option already. If she really didn't want to kill her son and live in wealth back with her family, then some random stranger approaching her isn't gonna do anything to convince her.

Again, you'd be hard-pressed to find two consenting adults willing to pursue a polygamist relationship.

It's possible that she may have wanted to do the dirty deed all along, but how does that explain you having the ability to influence her not to kill her son?

[Perfect-Kenshin]

MariSkep wrote...

Ok so as long as you leave possible romance starters available after they force you to pick you can restart the romance. Do they force you to pick again after a while?

It's been a while since the playthrough where I did that, but I don't recall either forcing you to pick again. She just act as if you're not cheating on them. Definately a bug.

[Virginian]

I don't remember that was 18 or 19 playthroughs ago. Since then I just stick with Alistair.

FYI some of the playthroughs were not complete playthroughs. Like bedding Morigan for an achievement and to see how easy it was. Actually easier bedding her than Leliana.

Modifié par Virginian, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:14 .

[Clover Rider]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Ok so as long as you leave possible romance starters available after they force you to pick you can restart the romance. Do they force you to pick again after a while?

It's been a while since the playthrough where I did that, but I don't recall either forcing you to pick again. She just act as if you're not cheating on them. Definately a bug.

I had that one time.

[Saibh]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
It's possible that she may have wanted to do the dirty deed all along, but how does that explain you having the ability to influence her not to kill her son?

As I said, she was already considering the possibility--but it's not something she wanted to think outright. It's not until a rich-looking hero comes down to her level, pities her and tells her what she wants to hear--that he'd be better off never living a casteless life, thus freeing her from this obligation guiltlessly--that she's willing to cave in. It's the extra push. She was desperate.

Regardless, I do think it's a bit unrealistic. If we had some indications that the woman wasn't entirely sane, it'd be easier to swallow, but I think there's a point where something should be out of the bounds of Persuasion. In DAO, there are, but this shouldn't have been possible without some more build up. I can see the Warden convincing her to join the Chantry--it's precisely situations like this that inspire faith in some people--or go to the surface, but killing her son? 

EDIT: On that note, I don't think polygamy is something people are willing to accept without having those inclinations previously--and that's very, very rare. The chances of two people, both bisexual, both willing to consider polygamy (and both attractive, mind you)? Come on. This is on top of my previous arguments about where BioWare's resources should go.

Modifié par Saibh, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[SirGladiator]

I've always thought that 'persuasion' was such a huge missing ingredient in romances, and this topic is the perfect example of where it should be at play. If your character is a 3, or certainly the maxed out 4, he or she definitely should be able to at least have the possibility of persuading their favorite LIs into a three way relationship. Certainly it was fun in Jade Empire, and from a historic standpoint its extremely common. Obviously in modern day America its mighty uncommon, but even in modern times there are still penty of countries where that isn't so uncommon. Of course the normal ideal these days is to have just one wife, end of story, and of course that works extremely well, but there are certainly plenty of good reasons why, for example, Leliana definitely would've enjoyed having Morrigan as part of a three way relationship, and the Warden should've been able to persuade her, and Morrigan, of the advantages of such an arrangement, were his or her persuasion skills high enough. Certainly the traditional one on one relationships should make up the vast majority of the romance options in the game, but for those of us who have a hard time picking just one, the option to max out the persuasion and get to end up with both would be most pleasant .

[Saibh]

SirGladiator wrote...

I've always thought that 'persuasion' was such a huge missing ingredient in romances, and this topic is the perfect example of where it should be at play. If your character is a 3, or certainly the maxed out 4, he or she definitely should be able to at least have the possibility of persuading their favorite LIs into a three way relationship. Certainly it was fun in Jade Empire, and from a historic standpoint its extremely common. Obviously in modern day America its mighty uncommon, but even in modern times there are still penty of countries where that isn't so uncommon. Of course the normal ideal these days is to have just one wife, end of story, and of course that works extremely well, but there are certainly plenty of good reasons why, for example, Leliana definitely would've enjoyed having Morrigan as part of a three way relationship, and the Warden should've been able to persuade her, and Morrigan, of the advantages of such an arrangement, were his or her persuasion skills high enough. Certainly the traditional one on one relationships should make up the vast majority of the romance options in the game, but for those of us who have a hard time picking just one, the option to max out the persuasion and get to end up with both would be most pleasant .

I think that's utterly unrealistic, for reasons up above. I also think you're really stretching to find reasons why Leliana or Morrigan would be willing to consider a threeway relationship, sort of similar to how fangirls try to come up with reasons why Alistair really, no, really, it makes sense! could be gay.

It's just not something most people would consider without having grown up in a society that presented this as the norm, as accepted values. Most of Thedas does not encourage this sort of behavior. Finding people who are alright with this is just beyond the impossible. No amount of Persuasion is going to convince a straight person he is gay unless it was already there. No amount of Persuasion is going to convince people to pursue a polygamist relationship without the same.

As I said, the only way for this to happen without it coming off as blatant fanservice with disregard to the characters and setting is for the relationship to have just as much intricacies and complexity as any of the monogamous ones, and I'd really rather prefer those resources being developed for monogamous relationships over polygamist ones.

[Adanu]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Because thats cheesy porno talk
Cheat on a girl IRL then try to explain you want to have a 3 way, see what happens

I've done it, she loved it. Not all women are ignorant double standard types.

Saibh wrote...
I think that's utterly unrealistic, for reasons
up above. I also think you're really stretching to find reasons why
Leliana or Morrigan would be willing to consider a threeway
relationship, sort of similar to how fangirls try to come up with
reasons why Alistair really, no, really, it makes sense! could be gay.

It's
just not something most people would consider without having grown up
in a society that presented this as the norm, as accepted values. Most
of Thedas does not encourage this sort of behavior. Finding people who
are alright with this is just beyond the impossible. No amount of
Persuasion is going to convince a straight person he is gay unless it
was already there. No amount of Persuasion is going to convince people
to pursue a polygamist relationship without the same.

As I said,
the only way for this to happen without it coming off as blatant
fanservice with disregard to the characters and setting is for the
relationship to have just as much intricacies and complexity as any of
the monogamous ones, and I'd really rather prefer those resources being
developed for monogamous relationships over polygamist ones.

How it is unrealistic, because *your* view is the only one you've been exposed to? Sorry, but plenty of women out there love polygamy.

Modifié par Adanu, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:54 .

[Esbatty]

I still don't see how you can't romance Ohgren. Or at least be able to do so as a Rogue, and basically just roll him while he's passed out.



Okay basically I just want to be able to rob the people I sleep with.



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I am a bad person.

[Saibh]

Adanu wrote...

How it is unrealistic, because *your* view is the only one you've been exposed to? Sorry, but plenty of women out there love polygamy.

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Dude, I don't have the energy to feed you right now. Maybe later. I'll, like, dig up some statistics and whatnot.

Modifié par Saibh, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:58 .

[Radahldo]

I like where this is going

[finnugold]

Saibh wrote...

Adanu wrote...

How it is unrealistic, because *your* view is the only one you've been exposed to? Sorry, but plenty of women out there love polygamy.

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Dude, I don't have the energy to feed you right now. Maybe later. I'll, like, dig up some statistics and whatnot.

[smartass]I have a feeling that more women out there prefer polyandry to polygamy[/smartass]

[Esbatty]

The Elder Tree is good but those Sylvans are so young and knotty. Oh to be a polydenderphiliac.

[finnugold]

MariSkep wrote...

How it is unrealistic, because *your* view is the only one you've been exposed to? Sorry, but plenty of women out there love polygamy.

Are we using the same definition of polygamy? "a form of marriage in which a person has more than one spouse at the same time" [from wiki]

Just want to make sure we both know what we're going to be arguing for/against.

I have a feeling that some people here are confusing polygamy with polyamory and/or multi-partner sexual acts.

Modifié par finnugold, 07 septembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[Bruddajakka]

It wasn't that hard to do in DAO if you knew what you were doing. Yeah they gave their little ultimatum's, and you had to work the system but there was nothing stopping you from being with both, and having a fling with Zevran.

[upsettingshorts]

Imagine how some of these scenarios would play out in the history books:



The Warden/Hawke was a notorious sexual deviant who was unable to suppress his lecherous desires. His camp was little better than an outdoor brothel, with the Warden/Hawke engaging in sexual relations with more or less his entire team - some at the same time. Rumors exist to this day of a "special" relationship with his dog as well. His contemporary admirers attempted to dismiss this sinful behavior as a coping mechanism to deal with the stress of trying to save the world, but reports from all over Thedas confirm the Warden/Hawke was totally insatiable, demanding inappropriate sexual favors from girls and young women across Ferelden and elsewhere. "Men are all the same," one said as she wiped a bartop clean...



etc.

[Bruddajakka]

Now now. History is written by the victor. So he'd obviously be called a Man of great appetites

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Imagine how some of these scenarios would play out in the history books:

The Warden/Hawke was a notorious sexual deviant who was unable to suppress his lecherous desires. His camp was little better than an outdoor brothel, with the Warden/Hawke engaging in sexual relations with more or less his entire team - some at the same time. Rumors exist to this day of a "special" relationship with his dog as well. His contemporary admirers attempted to dismiss this sinful behavior as a coping mechanism to deal with the stress of trying to save the world, but reports from all over Thedas confirm the Warden/Hawke was totally insatiable, demanding inappropriate sexual favors from girls and young women across Ferelden and elsewhere. "Men are all the same," one said as she wiped a bartop clean...

etc.

In the history books? You mean like how we remember Einstein?

[Fedorcyclops]

maybe like withcer?lol

u can have a relationship but u bang every single gal in the game