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[moneycashgeorge]

One piece of info that stood out to me in Retribution was how long Aria has been running Omega; many hundreds of years, and that she is also now a Matriarch. So it seems impossible that she has also been secretly running around as a mercenary battling Battlemasters.

[kaiki01]

Wrex could have a comparable age to Aria as Krogan can live at least a millennia. It is possible that Wrex's story was from hundreds of years ago before Aria was running Omega.

[Digifi]

Does Wrex actually say how long ago that happened it ME1? If he says like 50 years ago, then no, it isn't her, but I'm really drawing a blank on the conversation. If he doesn't say how long ago it was then I'd say it is still plausible because he is pretty old.

[epoch_]

He doesn't say how long ago it happened, and wrex is centuries old, so it's certainly possible.

[IrishSpectre257]

Aria is Aleena.

[Lvl20DM]

Wrex was over 1500 years old. I'm not sure we have a time-line on when he clashed with Aleena. It still works, I'm thinking.

[AresXX7]

I was going to say the same thing, about Wrex's age & him not saying, how long ago, when their encounter was.

Also, I don't remember the exact line(s) from the book, but, I thought Aria has only been on Omega for about 300-400 years.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[epoch_]

Lvl20DM wrote...

Wrex was over 1500 years old. I'm not sure we have a time-line on when he clashed with Aleena. It still works, I'm thinking.

I thought krogan only live to be 1000ish.

[Skyblade012]

epoch_ wrote...

Lvl20DM wrote...

Wrex was over 1500 years old. I'm not sure we have a time-line on when he clashed with Aleena. It still works, I'm thinking.

I thought krogan only live to be 1000ish.

Nope.  The game has never mentioned a point at which Krogan die of old age.  We know of plenty old Krogan.  Wrex has been alive for "generations". Okeer had "millenia" (read, at least 2000 years) of experience.  Patriarch is similarly ancient, having lived before the Krogan Rebellions.

Krogan have the greatest longevity of any species we know of.  Most, if not all, wind up getting killed long before they die of old age, so we might never know how long they could live, under the right circumstances.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:21 .

[didymos1120]

Lvl20DM wrote...

Wrex was over 1500 years old. I'm not sure we have a time-line on when he clashed with Aleena. It still works, I'm thinking.

I don't where you got that idea from.  The best we can do as far as pinning down an actual birthdate is say he was born within living krogan memory of the Rebellions, which is a rather inexact time-frame.


Also, just in general, we already knew Aria had been on Omega for centuries: she tells us exactly that when asked about her history w/ Patriarch.

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:26 .

[epoch_]

Interesting

[Epic777]

If wrex is described as an old man by the krogan mechanic, then I am sure he is over 1000, then your oldest party member in me1, maybe older than the justicar.

[didymos1120]

Epic777 wrote...

If wrex is described as an old man by the krogan mechanic, then I am sure he is over 1000, then your oldest party member in me1, maybe older than the justicar.

Why?  Males in authority positions are often called "the old man" whether they are truly old or not, and the alien dialogue uses colloquialisms just like that all the time.  No reason to think it means much as far as determining Wrex's true age goes.

[dreman9999]

epoch_ wrote...

Lvl20DM wrote...

Wrex was over 1500 years old. I'm not sure we have a time-line on when he clashed with Aleena. It still works, I'm thinking.

I thought krogan only live to be 1000ish.

He's 500 years old.

[DeathScepter]

how do you know that Dreman? I figure that he was 1,4000 years old or older.

[Randy1012]

I'm guessing he's at least 1,000 years old, since everything I hear makes it sound like he was around for the Krogan Rebellions, which were approx. 1,000 years before ME1. But I also think he was kind of young at that time, still idealistic and concerned about the krogan's future, which lead to the fight with his father.

[Arijharn]

Skyblade012 wrote...
 Okeer had "millenia" (read, at least 2000 years) of experience.  Patriarch is similarly ancient, having lived before the Krogan Rebellions.
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Just a little nick pick, but a millennia 'only' means a period of a 1000 years. I can't remember the dossier or anything but if it was said that Okeer had several millennia experience you'd be right. 

[dreman9999]

DeathScepter wrote...

how do you know that Dreman? I figure that he was 1,4000 years old or older.

1. He did not fight in the rebelions. He would have told us if he did.
2.He's been a merc of 350 years from mass effect 1.( Aria came to omega 305 years ago from ME2)
3.Check the time line first before claiming any thing. http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

Also, not that my comment was an average. He come be anywhere from 400-800 years old and krogan line alittle bit over a 1000 years at max, Wrex is too strong and healthy to be that old.

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:20 .

[jon 45]

Arijharn wrote...
Just a little nick pick, but a millennia 'only' means a period of a 1000 years. I can't remember the dossier or anything but if it was said that Okeer had several millennia experience you'd be right. 

"Millennia" is the plural of "millennium".

[didymos1120]

Found this, from a promo article by Drew Karpyshyn:

Over the past three centuries he has served no master but himself, working as a bodyguard, mercenary, soldier of fortune and bounty hunter; there is little in the galaxy that can still surprise him.

So according to that, he left Tuchanka around 300 years before ME1. That does put some constraints on the Aleena incident. However, here's what Retribution actually says about Aria:

"Aria had been the de facto rule of Omega for over two centuries."

So, no problem there.  In fact, the two sources line up rather well.  Almost as if it were done deliberately...

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[Tokion]

didymos1120 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

If wrex is described as an old man by the krogan mechanic, then I am sure he is over 1000, then your oldest party member in me1, maybe older than the justicar.

Why?  Males in authority positions are often called "the old man" whether they are truly old or not, and the alien dialogue uses colloquialisms just like that all the time.  No reason to think it means much as far as determining Wrex's true age goes.

The mechanic's uncaring tone suggests quite literally that "Wrex is old", not refering to the authority position of a respected "Godfather". Remember the mechanics also said their clan will just get another leader who "has the next best idea" if Wrex was gone? That also imply he doesn't give a rat's ass about him at all <_<

Modifié par Tokion, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:47 .

[didymos1120]

Tokion wrote...


The mechanic's uncaring tone suggests quite literally that "Wrex is old", not refering to the authority position of a "Godfather" with respect. Remember the mechanics also said their clan will just get another leader who "has the next best idea" if Wrex was gone? That also imply he doesn't give a rat's ass about him at all <_<

Uh, that's a bit of reach.  All I got from it is that he thinks Wrex is a little nuts (which, honestly, he is.  At least by Krogan standards), but that's above his pay-grade and he's not gonna worry about it when he's got a combustion manifold to fix and would you please go away and stop bothering him already.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...
Aria came to omega 305 years ago from ME2

OK.

3.Check the time line first before claiming any thing. http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

Good idea*. [checks timeline] Hmm:

1980 CE Aria T'Loak assumes control of Omega after defeating the space station's previous warlord in single combat

2185 - 1980 = 205

Oops.

*Assuming of course that the fan-made wiki is accurate on all matters, which is not a very good assumption.  In this instance however, it seems to be pretty accurate.

Modifié par didymos1120, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:00 .

[AresXX7]

didymos1120 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Aria came to omega 305 years ago from ME2

OK.

3.Check the time line first before claiming any thing. http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

Good idea*. [checks timeline] Hmm:

1980 CE Aria T'Loak assumes control of Omega after defeating the space station's previous warlord in single combat

2185 - 1980 = 205

Oops.

I apologize to anyone I may have offended, but it was too hard to resist.

didymos1120 wrote...

*Assuming of course that the fan-made wiki is accurate on all matters, which is not a very good assumption.  In this instance however, it seems to be pretty accurate.

The timeline should be pretty accurate, if what they say, about using the Codex for it, is true.
(Just have to keep an eye for anything, that wasn't updated, when ME1 was released.)

[frostybob]

Aleena was an Asari commando merc who just wouldn't die. One of the toughest fights of Wrex's life. From Aleena's perspective Wrex would be a Krogan that she had "pissed off". She got away, taunted him, and vanished.
Aria shows up on Omega builds a power base, The Patriarch feels threatened and makes a preemptive strike against her. When she talks to Shepard she eventually tells him/her that she was a commando and a merc before she came to omega and that the Patriarch wasn't even the first Krogan that she had "pissed off".
didymos1120 showed that the timeline works so there are some very compelling similarites that would make it not too great of a stretch to believe they are the same person. Story tellers like to make subplot characters that build and surprise the reader with an aha she was the same person.
If it swims like a gatorduck and walks like a gatorduck and growls like a gatorduck then it is most likely a gatorduck.