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[termokanden]

Zy-El wrote...

Thanks for breaking down the total cost!
Stone Prisoner was a free promotional offer for me and I did not get Darkspawn Chronicles, so my DLC's only cost $65 for a total of $105. I've played through the game 20+ times now and I'm averaging 120 hrs for Origins and all DLC's. I thoroughly enjoy the game - haven't played anything else since I started in Feb 2010.
What is the cost of $5 or $7 once a month? I spend half that much on coffee everyday.

Warden's Keep and Stone Prisoner were included for free in my game.

Still a very interesting way of looking at things. Explains why they keep pumping out DLC without fixing obvious bugs and crashes. Suckers like us are paying more for DLC than we did for the actual game, when the original game is actually a lot bigger.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still a big fan of Dragon Age. But I think the support for the game has been shamelessly poor, and with the latest DLC you really can't have much doubt left that they're just milking the original game's success to make us buy mediocre DLC.

Modifié par termokanden, 28 septembre 2010 - 08:44 .

[Zy-El]

Yes, they milking the DA:O cow but for the money I've spent, I cannot deny it being of any less quality than other entertainment I might indulge in. When was the last time you went out to a movie and shelled out over $30 for yourself and SO? And like most movies this year, you were disappointed.

I'm grateful to Bioware for creating Dragon Age. Am pleased with most of the DLC that I've purchased. Golems was just a melee fest but did provide some challenge and was enjoyable for that part of it. Witch Hunt was somewhat anti-climactic with its abrupt ending. Playing on the PC, I also enjoy the mods that some people have written and am somewhat intrigued to maybe write my own someday.

[ilovedragonageverymuch]

*Leads angry mob to BioWare's HQ*

BURN THEM!



Guess we have to use use mods.. maybe some1 will write a better witch hunt..

[MistySun]

There is one mod that equals any DLC of DA:O. That is Hilltop Under Siege. 4 hours long.

The updated stand alone version of WH is available and i finally got it installed after the hassle with the .zip all be it .dazip whatever.
So now to see what Morrigan has to say>

[help100]

I downloaded witch hunt following your directions. I changed the file name to *.dazip and used the daupdater per instructions. the dazip file showed in daupdater but when I clicked install it said there was an error. What now?

[ilovedragonageverymuch]

Theres a witch hunt in isohunt that works. a friend of mine tested it. both of you prepare to hate bioware more than you can imagine. a cheap attempt to satisfy the crowd, close the deal with the warden, end his saga (thus allowing them to focus on hawke) and making some money while at it.



pity.

[cobretti1818]

Hey guys, I have the original WH DLC that I downloaded using the ingame DLC area. How exactly do I 'update' to the new working version. Can I just DL it from this site and run it like a normal program?

[kag666]

cobretti1818 wrote...
Hey guys, I have the original WH DLC that I downloaded using the ingame DLC area. How exactly do I 'update' to the new working version. Can I just DL it from this site and run it like a normal program?

When you download the 1.1 version they give you instructions how to install it.
http://social.biowar...page/da-patches

Modifié par kag666, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[MistySun]

Remember to choose the stand alone .exe for hassle free installing. Just download it then double click to install it. It works just like a patch file.(which it is).

[termokanden]

Zy-El wrote...

Yes, they milking the DA:O cow but for the money I've spent, I cannot deny it being of any less quality than other entertainment I might indulge in. When was the last time you went out to a movie and shelled out over $30 for yourself and SO? And like most movies this year, you were disappointed.

I won't disagree that it costs a lot of money to go to the movies or even buy a good steak.

I'm just trying to look at what's happening here. You're paying about as much for all the DLC as for the original game. Are you getting as much value for money?

Is it OK that DLC after DLC just reuses areas? Why are we still fighting endless random combinations of genlocks, hurlocks and emissaries?

Sure you won't actually spend that much money on DLC, and honestly I'll probably keep buying it myself because I love DAO, but I can't help but notice something's wrong here.

[Zy-El]

Paying as much for DLC's as the main game . . . no argument there. Actually, I bought DA:O during Christmas 2009 for only $30 which included the Stone Prisoner DLC. So, having spent a total of $105 for all of DA:O (except Darkspawn Chronicles - I just can't bear to turn on my companions like that), it's a small price compared to the amount of hours I've spent playing it. That's 20+ play-throughs of about 110 hrs - roughly, 2200 hrs for $105 = 5 cents an hour. Where else can you get that kind of entertainment value?

Re-using map areas in DLC? Yeah, they're trying to keep costs down. Only modders seem to have spent time and extra effort to make new maps but even so, most mods still re-use map areas. I'm a modder myself (though I've not tried modding DA:O) and I suspect that it's very time-consuming and/or hard to make new maps, even for the Bioware people. Maybe they should have refined some of the map-making tools to make it easier. Obviously, this is of lower priority when generating DLC's. Hopefully, it will be different for DA2.

Adding new monsters is very time-consuming. It's not just a matter of whipping up stats and abilities, there's also the graphical components that have to be generated - sometimes from scratch. I've heard that cutscene videos also take an inordinate amounts of time not to mention requiring a very well-loaded computer.

Is it OK to make these kinds of DLC's? As long as someone is willing to buy them, yes. Is profit being made - then yes. Is the customer satisfied with the product - yes, no or maybe. The customer is not going to make too much of a fuss over $5 - $7 lost. If they charged $15 for a DLC, I can see profits dropping because fewer people will buy them. And if it's a medicre DLC, even fewer units will be purchased. Therefore, they have to keep the DLC costs low - that is more important than anything else. And re-using maps is part of that strategy.

[termokanden]

This brings me back to the old Shadow Broker vs Witch Hunt comparison. Shadow Broker just seems so much more polished to me. I think that's why I was so disappointed with Witch Hunt. I had played Lair of the Shadow Broker the same day and really loved it. Witch Hunt just seemed so tame in comparison.



I agree that you're actually not paying much for the entertainment value, and I think this is true for a lot of games in fact. But it's fair to compare DLC to other DLC. By those standards, Witch Hunt is actually pretty good, but I don't think it lives up to the DLC Bioware are releasing for ME2.

[SonRyu]

Spuudle wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

Yes, they milking the DA:O cow but for the money I've spent, I cannot deny it being of any less quality than other entertainment I might indulge in. When was the last time you went out to a movie and shelled out over $30 for yourself and SO? And like most movies this year, you were disappointed.

I won't disagree that it costs a lot of money to go to the movies or even buy a good steak.

I'm just trying to look at what's happening here. You're paying about as much for all the DLC as for the original game. Are you getting as much value for money?

Is it OK that DLC after DLC just reuses areas? Why are we still fighting endless random combinations of genlocks, hurlocks and emissaries?

Sure you won't actually spend that much money on DLC, and honestly I'll probably keep buying it myself because I love DAO, but I can't help but notice something's wrong here.

I take the point that many gamers make with regard to dlc costing the equivalent to coffee/cigarettes.  However, just because they are relatively cheap, that does not excuse poor quality and bugs.  I bought Witch Hunt, for example, to find out more about the 'dark ritual' thing I did with Morrigan.  I was therefore quite upset when the dlc reached its conclusion.  Furthermore, I will consider both dlc and full games as value for money based on replay value, amongst other things.  For example, I bought DA:O for £20.00 sterling. I have played about 8 times, meaning approx £2.50 per playthrough, outstanding value.  Mass Effect 2 was £40.00 and again, about 8 playthroughs giving £5.00 per playthrough. Again, outstanding. Awakening cost me approx £20.00 and I have ONE playthrough. On this basis, as I have no wish to play again, it cost 8 times more than DA:O and 4 times more than ME2 per playthrough. Costliest gaming experience ive ever had.  I will continue to buy dlc for all bioware games in my collection because on the whole they get it right.  However, the DA:O dlc experience on the whole has been pretty below par. I hope they take this fantastic opportunity to put all that right and blow us away with DA2. Like they did with LotSB

Thats an amazing way of looking at it.  Great breakdown.  I personally take it a different route.  Its 'cheap', but so what?  If I have a crappy dollar cheeseburger, I won't buy from that location again. I will go to another place with a good dollar burger and eat there instead.  If everyone is selling their product for the same price, you can't afford to sell crap, because then everyone is going to your competitiors.  Granted, LotSB and Witch Hunt are from the same company, but they cost the same and LotSB was infinitely better than WH. If the price tag is the same, you better have a superior product.  And Witch Hunt was far, far inferior.  So bad I'm seriously thinking of skipping DA:2 because apparently, BioWare DA team thinks we are all retarded and will accept whatever they throw at us, and thank them for it.

[ilovedragonageverymuch]

Spuudle wrote...
 I know that BW take fan feedback from these forums very seriously, and you have voiced your concerns in this forum, in the correct way. I say, give them a chance, with DA2, to address all the issues.  They will never please everybody of course, but im sure they will do their upmost to make it up to the 'army' of loyal fans upset with DA dlc.

I wish. I really wish. I guess we will find out on the DLCs to DA2?
bah. cant be optimistic with the recent DLCs, witchhunt pissin mre worse than any previous.

[SonRyu]

ilovedragonageverymuch wrote...

Spuudle wrote...
 I know that BW take fan feedback from these forums very seriously, and you have voiced your concerns in this forum, in the correct way. I say, give them a chance, with DA2, to address all the issues.  They will never please everybody of course, but im sure they will do their upmost to make it up to the 'army' of loyal fans upset with DA dlc.

I wish. I really wish. I guess we will find out on the DLCs to DA2?
bah. cant be optimistic with the recent DLCs, witchhunt pissin mre worse than any previous.

And if they don't maybe they follow polls instead.  Here's hoping

http://social.biowar...62/polls/11167/

[ilovedragonageverymuch]

PureMethodActor wrote...


This sounds kinda outrageous to me, as I believe Bioware said this franchise was an original story.

Can you post a link to info on the book Dragon Age Origins is supposedly based on?

Same. I started digging in forums and articales realted, and couldnt find anything about this.
Id like to see the book its based upon too.
Only time i read about something like this was with the Witcher.

[Zy-El]

ilovedragonageverymuch wrote...

Spuudle wrote...
 I know that BW take fan feedback from these forums very seriously, and you have voiced your concerns in this forum, in the correct way. I say, give them a chance, with DA2, to address all the issues.  They will never please everybody of course, but im sure they will do their upmost to make it up to the 'army' of loyal fans upset with DA dlc.

I wish. I really wish. I guess we will find out on the DLCs to DA2?
bah. cant be optimistic with the recent DLCs, witchhunt pissin mre worse than any previous.

When you guys compare ME2 to DA, you have to remember that the ME game is in its second generation.  That means the programmers and writers have had an entire game cycle to perfect their product.  Dragon Age is not the same as Mass Effect and this is the first iteration of the Dragon Age game.  Obviously, there were some things that could have been done better and they tried doing things differently than ME.  

A more balanced comparison would be ME1 to DA:O.  I don't have ME or ME2 so I cannot say one way or another.  Maybe some of you who have played ME1 can give a better critique of DA:O in comparison?? 

All that they've learned from DA:O will be applied to DA2 and its subsequent DLC's. 

[Eurypterid]

MindYerBeak wrote...

As far as I'm aware DAO was based on a best selling book. Bioware purchased the game copyright for the book and the rest was easy peasy. A sequel to the book hasn't been published, so Bioware have to make stuff up for the DLCs, using secondhand writers to keep costs down. Of all the DLCs being released only 2 are worthy of purchase: Shale and Leliana's Song, the rest are rubbish. This will continue to be the case. I don't understand why people buy them when announced. I always let the purchasers be the beta testers before I decide to buy.

Morrigan said in the original, "You will never see or hear from me again." There isn't a follow up book, hence a new DA2. The Bioware Morrigan DLC is pure guesswork, and as you've seen it's pure rubbish, money thrown down the drain, not good during a recession. I'm sure a Modder could write a better scripted version, which would be free and contain a plausable ending, even though it would still be pure guesswork. This is the direction you should all go for a Morrigan sequel.

I realize this is 4 days old, but I
just saw it. Not to put too fine an edge on it, but your post is
completely off the mark. I don't know where you got your info, but it's
totally wrong.

Dragon Age is an original IP and not
based on a book. David Gaider, the lead writer for DA:O wrote two
'prequel' novels set before the events of DA:O, but they were
written/released after the game was developed and released itself. Those
are the only novel tie-ins to Dragon Age to date.

[Zy-El]

Spuudle: so, there were only 2 DLC for ME1?? And how much time was there between the game release and the DLC releases?

For Dragon Age, there were 8 DLC's and an expansion released over 8 months. I'm willing to concede that these DLC were probably not as good as the ME1 DLC because of the tight release schedule that some greedy Bioware exec imposed on the dev team.