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Aislinn Trista wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I have to agree with the rest though, it would seal up loose ends if you then made a Ashley/Kadien DLC... or put it in ME3.


An Ashley/Kaidan DLC would be lovely.



Yes I'm sold on the idea at this point, it would be on princibles. I'm afraid you can't defend  LOTSB and Liara and not come to terms with the direct Fan Service its nakedly providing...and there is nothing wrong with that at all because it was done well...but I kind of feel that you now have to give a share of the pie to the  Kaiden/Ashley fans now... otherwise there will be a rash of disdain.

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The boss fight with the Broker was awesome. HATED the one with Vasir though. She just wouldn't die. Ended up needing the Cain.


Leave your nuke on Normandy, here's my way.

Keep using Liara's Stasis on her and you will have about 5 seconds to damage Vasir. Good thing is Liara's stasis regenerate fast enough to keep using Stasis on Vasir. Once your brought down her Shield and Armor, Shoot a singluraity on her then with a Throw.

Watching her being throw away from the building, it was very entertaining. :)

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Anybody have dialogue regarding the SB's remarks on Shepard's second crew member? I brought Garrus along and the SB mentioned something about collecting the bounty on his head.

I'm interested in what he has to say about the other characters, but I don't want to replay the mission 11 more times. =p


I brought Tali, and SB said that she hold responsible to a masscure of her team on Haestrum (can't really remember the planet's name ^^").

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Excellent job Bioware!

Easily the best DLC to date!



The vistas were gorgeous, the dialogue was heartwarming and hilarious, the gameplay proved to be a fun challenge this time around('specially with those boss fights), the score was well put together(Mr. Wall or someone else?), and I can say the extras following the DLC are quite interesting..and entertaining.



As an original Liara Romancer I can definitely say I'm satisfied with what you gave me, Bioware.

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Alright, first off, a superb DLC. Dialogue is great, though I still miss the team members comments (esp. Tali and Garrus of course, at least I got a comment by the SB about Legion). Nevertheless, what is there is great, Liara becomes more understandable, the asari spectre is a great character IMO, a great reflection of Shepard, working with a shady organization.
The car chase was good, though I thought it's good it didnt take any longer, if we had something like tat with weapons next time, that'd be even better (maybe a gunship chase).
I was a little disappointed by the SB, I have to admit. Making him just another monstrous alien was a bit lame IMO. It'd have been great if it would have been s group of people, some of which you even know (like a counselor, the volus or elcor ambassador from ME1, the consort or others). But the fight was very well done and making Liara the new SB was a great ending. Also I love the information hub with the dossiers about team and other, some great fun in there (Grunts search for the Tyrannosaurus Wrex, etc :)).
Also the locations (outer hall of the ship, Illium Hotel etc) and the gameply/pacing were really well done.
So all in all a great peace of DLC

One thing though:

Kreidian wrote...

One detail that kept bugging me and probably could have been addressed was the constant assumption that Shepard was fully working with Cerberus. A lot of people blew up the base rather then continue working with them, a lot of people don't like the idea that we're still forcibly tied to this organization. I was given the impression that once you tell the Illusive Man off you're no longer working with Cerberus anymore. But once again Cerberus are the ones that give you the Shadow Broker intel, and throughout the game your ties with Cerberus are brought up over and over again. The Spectre Vasir says as much quite bluntly and never once can you say you've cut ties to the organization, that's one option that most definitely should have been included in my mind.

Are we going to be stuck with Cerberus from now on? What about ME3? This is going to get extremely frustrating if we never get the choice in this matter. Considering how important your choices are in this game, this is quite a letdown.


Couldn't have said it better. It's high time to allow us to get rid of cerberus. I said before, Vasir is a great character because she is just like you in that she works with bad people if that is what it takes. I get that, that is what Shep has to do in ME2 but we blew up the collector base (you know, the paragons did). We screwed TIM and he was not best pleased about it. We are out. Given that BW guy (Chis, I think it was) said that the DLC is primarily meant to be played after the suicide mission, you'd think they'd have accounted for that. I really hope that in future DLC, we'll not have to put up with im an his gang anymore if we don't want to.

Lastly one issue I ran into is with the hostage negotiation scene with Vasir. There are renegade and paragon options to resolve the situation but I was never allowed either option. My renegade bar was maxed out by this point but still I wasn't able to pick anything. Requiring a high renegade or paragon choice is one thing, but this just seems way too high if you need a paragon/renegade score that is literally off the charts to pick either one. Granted the renegade option to shoot Vasir through the hostage was pretty badass, but still it's annoying that I didn't get the option when I feel I should have.


Don't know what happened there for you, I played as a paragade with strong renegade bias and I had the option available (being lvl30). I think my renegade-meter isn't even full. I was playing on hardcore, maybe it's harder to get it on insanity, I'm not sure.

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Loved this DLC! Then again, I had Liara as a LI for my main femShep. I thought some of the dialogue was a little flat, but Hale and Hills still had good chemistry together. And loved the first boss fight! You find out who Liara's "father" is too!

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"Remember the old days when you could just slap omni-gel on everything?"



God, I love this game.

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Bravo BioWare! Best DLC yet. I loved it, the improved in-mission banter with Liara and especially Liara asking Shepard his opinions and Shepard (having the option) to betray his worries and emotions - a very humanizing moment. The boss fights were challenging and Shepard's hand to hand fights were sweet. I could go on and on. Wish there were other party dialogue but I understand money and time restraints - glad I could get Tali to say "Keelah!" at least...its a start ;)



Tomorrow is the Lirara Romance playthrough, can't wait to see whats there.



All in all, this was wonderful, easily on par with the best moments of the core game and surpassing it in many respects as well.

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buffytuesday wrote...

"Remember the old days when you could just slap omni-gel on everything?"

God, I love this game.


That comment was so awesome.  I about fell out of my chair laughing!

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Loved the DLC, very worthwhile so thanks Bioware!



Was a little disapointed with no dossier for Ashley/Kaiden :(

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Thank you Bioware.  This was the most emotionally engaging medium I have ever witnessed.  No movie or book has ever moved me so much.  :crying:  All I can hope for is that Liara will have the substantial role in ME3 that she deserves and that Ash and Kaidan finally get their time to shine with DLC!!!

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MrFob wrote...

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Kreidian wrote...

One detail that kept bugging me and probably could have been addressed was the constant assumption that Shepard was fully working with Cerberus. A lot of people blew up the base rather then continue working with them, a lot of people don't like the idea that we're still forcibly tied to this organization. I was given the impression that once you tell the Illusive Man off you're no longer working with Cerberus anymore. But once again Cerberus are the ones that give you the Shadow Broker intel, and throughout the game your ties with Cerberus are brought up over and over again. The Spectre Vasir says as much quite bluntly and never once can you say you've cut ties to the organization, that's one option that most definitely should have been included in my mind.

Are we going to be stuck with Cerberus from now on? What about ME3? This is going to get extremely frustrating if we never get the choice in this matter. Considering how important your choices are in this game, this is quite a letdown.


Couldn't have said it better. It's high time to allow us to get rid of cerberus. I said before, Vasir is a great character because she is just like you in that she works with bad people if that is what it takes. I get that, that is what Shep has to do in ME2 but we blew up the collector base (you know, the paragons did). We screwed TIM and he was not best pleased about it. We are out. Given that BW guy (Chis, I think it was) said that the DLC is primarily meant to be played after the suicide mission, you'd think they'd have accounted for that. I really hope that in future DLC, we'll not have to put up with im an his gang anymore if we don't want to.

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I was really hoping for a *F* Cerberus Paragon responce to that comment, although the neutral responce was at least honest. Shep knew what they did.  Vasir kind of has a point. Shep may be through w/ them, fought TIM the whole time and ultimately blew up the Collector base, but s/he didn't just get up and leave (not that the game lets you).  Shep may not want to admit it on the surface, but s/he knows she worked w/ bad guys to get the job done.  I agree w/ you guys that the scene could have been a bit better, but ultimately I liked it for what it revealed.  That said, I didn't like that Cerberus give Shep the SB Intel.  That should have come from Liara or a third party at least for the post SM playthrough. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 septembre 2010 - 07:01 .


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Fantastic DLC! My blueberry waifu better be back as a squad mate in ME3, though ;x

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JamieCOTC wrote...

MrFob wrote...

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Kreidian wrote...

One detail that kept bugging me and probably could have been addressed was the constant assumption that Shepard was fully working with Cerberus. A lot of people blew up the base rather then continue working with them, a lot of people don't like the idea that we're still forcibly tied to this organization. I was given the impression that once you tell the Illusive Man off you're no longer working with Cerberus anymore. But once again Cerberus are the ones that give you the Shadow Broker intel, and throughout the game your ties with Cerberus are brought up over and over again. The Spectre Vasir says as much quite bluntly and never once can you say you've cut ties to the organization, that's one option that most definitely should have been included in my mind.

Are we going to be stuck with Cerberus from now on? What about ME3? This is going to get extremely frustrating if we never get the choice in this matter. Considering how important your choices are in this game, this is quite a letdown.


Couldn't have said it better. It's high time to allow us to get rid of cerberus. I said before, Vasir is a great character because she is just like you in that she works with bad people if that is what it takes. I get that, that is what Shep has to do in ME2 but we blew up the collector base (you know, the paragons did). We screwed TIM and he was not best pleased about it. We are out. Given that BW guy (Chis, I think it was) said that the DLC is primarily meant to be played after the suicide mission, you'd think they'd have accounted for that. I really hope that in future DLC, we'll not have to put up with im an his gang anymore if we don't want to.

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I was really hoping for a *F* Cerberus Paragon responce to that comment, although the neutral responce was at least honest. Shep knew what they did.  Vasir kind of has a point. Shep may be through w/ them, fought TIM the whole time and ultimately blew up the Collector base, but s/he didn't just get up and leave (not that the game lets you).  Shep may not want to admit it on the surface, but s/he knows she worked w/ bad guys to get the job done.  I agree w/ you guys that the scene could have been a bit better, but ultimately I liked it for what it revealed.  That said, I didn't like that Cerberus give Shep the SB Intel.  That should have come from Liara or a third party at least for the post SM playthrough. 


Love the DLC, but agreed with all of you.

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Thank you Bioware for a kick-ass full-of-WIN DLC! Worth the price. Felt more epic than the main story! LOVE IT!!!

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JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Just played and finished the DLC.

The feelings I have for this can only be summed up in 3 words:

Thank you BioWare. 

indeed. :D

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Okay I found something odd, if you buy the eezo mining intel and then read it, it says there's an anomaly in the Shrike Abyssal, checking this I found a spot that makes the noise when you reach a planet or ship but there's nothing there, anyone else found this?

Edit: It's in the Urla Rast system.

Modifié par Tasi Nedas, 08 septembre 2010 - 07:12 .


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4 things



1) Loved the totality of the DLC!!



2) I HATE BOSS FIGHTS WHERE THE GUY GETS TO MAGICALLY REGENERATE BACK TO FULL HEALTH JUST BECAUSE!!!! That crappy game mechanic stinks to high heaven and I hope your next DLC can outgrow it. The Specter fight with her being a working Vanguard was AWESOME!!! I would much rather had the SB as a Soldier/Engineer hybrid than to simply make you kill him a bunch of times before he dies.



3) Had a glitch on my first run with the Liara going back to the Normandy crashed and now I can't have the conversation with her, because the autosave puts it after not before. Also the Vanguard is glitchy as heck on the outside of the ship with Charge. I got stuck in so many places had to stop playing for a breather, even got to go over the top of the ship to my death in the engine area!!



4) Like already posted, WHY can't you separate yourself from Cerebrus if you play the mission after the SM??

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buffytuesday wrote...

"Remember the old days when you could just slap omni-gel on everything?"

God, I love this game.


Now THAT was pure gold, right there!

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Loved this DLC. Dialogue and banter were terrific. Loved the level designs and fights, especially the boss fight against Tela Vassar (Vanguard vs. Vanguard charge-duel was great fun!), the maze-fight on the top of the Shadow Broker's ship, the boss fight with the Shadow Broker.



Also loved the post-fight bonus, continuing the relationship with Liara, reading the dossiers, the investment opportunities, the videos, and scene back on the ship.



Looks like the majority reaction from other posters is similar to mine, unlike the pages and pages of complaints about the WITCH HUNT DLC on the Dragon Age forum.

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Just finished it. Not bad. Posted Image   It's nice.  I like it but it doesn't make me go ... Posted Image

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Kreidian wrote...

One detail that kept bugging me and probably could have been addressed was the constant assumption that Shepard was fully working with Cerberus. A lot of people blew up the base rather then continue working with them, a lot of people don't like the idea that we're still forcibly tied to this organization. I was given the impression that once you tell the Illusive Man off you're no longer working with Cerberus anymore. But once again Cerberus are the ones that give you the Shadow Broker intel, and throughout the game your ties with Cerberus are brought up over and over again. The Spectre Vasir says as much quite bluntly and never once can you say you've cut ties to the organization, that's one option that most definitely should have been included in my mind.

Are we going to be stuck with Cerberus from now on? What about ME3? This is going to get extremely frustrating if we never get the choice in this matter. Considering how important your choices are in this game, this is quite a letdown.



This DLC to me at least is the primer for getting rid of Cerberus IF you choose.  Liara now has an information network that may be comparable to the Illusive Man.  Her resources as the Shadow Broker, who knows but I doubt it.  Probably a choice along the lines of sheer military force vs better technology. Having all the research terminals and other Shep specific interfaces in the Shadow Brokers ship could mean the Normandy will be destroyed if you side against Cerberus.  Than again the Shadow Brokers ship could just be a haven during ME3 after the Reapers completely own the first round of fighting and the ship is the perfect place to "unite" the galaxy and form one massive planned assault.  Anything and everything is speculation.

One thing I will say is that working for the Council in ME1 was a pain in the ass at times and I didn't enjoy the BS.  They didn't really have a part to play in ME2.  It's unlikely that Cerberus will dissapear into the story but as far as Shep being forced to work with them, I think having a choice in the matter is definitely on the table.

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I loved it. Loved the boss fights, loved seeing another spectre, love seeing Liara again, loved the car chase, loved the "Azure", loved pretty much everything. Only thing i can complain about that it was a bit short. I knew it wasn't going to be long but for being 800MS, i was expecting it to be longer than Overlord.

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Tasi Nedas wrote...

Okay I found something odd, if you buy the eezo mining intel and then read it, it says there's an anomaly in the Shrike Abyssal, checking this I found a spot that makes the noise when you reach a planet or ship but there's nothing there, anyone else found this?

Edit: It's in the Urla Rast system.


that 'spot' was already there, i assume it's a marker for possible dlc mission or something cut from the game.

LoSB was awesome - Liara still came off a bit funny, but less so than mass effect 1, and the improvements inlevel design and environments, even from a lot of mass effect 2, are plain to see. the plot was good and i was only disappointed in the eventual reveal of the SB, and that the first other spectre you meet turns out to be someone you have to off (even if they are similarly renegade to the way you play shep).

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Eber wrote...

devil_foetus wrote...

Anyone know what the last paragon interrupt after the end battle did?
I disappeared so fast I missed pressing it.


Shepard grabs Liara and kisses her. No paragon points are rewarded but things sparkle.

Where exactly did this happen :o I must've missed this too.

Lol at Garrus' Music choices in his visor:

4)"Hurt Me Deeper"(Best of Expel 10, dance mix)

5)"Blue Azure"(Vaenia, soundtrack)

The whole Dossier-terminal is hilarious.