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Mako Zalos wrote...

There for a second when I first saw the Shadow Broker I thought he was an unmasked volus and then he stood up and I was like.... $h1+. But I'm really happy, new race.


Room would have to have ammonia like atmosphere for a volus to be without it's suit.

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Just wondering if anyone could offer some insight on this...I played through the DLC 2 times, both with my FemShep who is loyal to Liara. I played it pretty much the same both times with the exception of maybe a few dialogue changes. The first time I got the talk of marriage and blue babies. The second time, Shep sat on the bed and Liara just left. What could I have done to make the end outcome so different? The only thing I know I did different the second time was all three paragon interrupts after the fight with Vasir. Driving me nuts! Luckily I saved the first one,but still just wondering.

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buffytuesday wrote...

Just wondering if anyone could offer some insight on this...I played through the DLC 2 times, both with my FemShep who is loyal to Liara. I played it pretty much the same both times with the exception of maybe a few dialogue changes. The first time I got the talk of marriage and blue babies. The second time, Shep sat on the bed and Liara just left. What could I have done to make the end outcome so different? The only thing I know I did different the second time was all three paragon interrupts after the fight with Vasir. Driving me nuts! Luckily I saved the first one,but still just wondering.


Did you tell her you wanted to just be friends when she visited your cabin and told you she didn't wanna pressure you? Did you choose the bottom right option before that?

That probably does it. Those choices function as the "FU, ME2 LI!" option every other love interest scene has.

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I thought this DLC was great!

I loved Liara's apartment and little details like dishes in the sink, pots on the stove and wine glasses left on the sideboard which gave it a lived-in look. The thunderstorm outside was a nice touch, too.

I used Zaeed as my other squadmate. I liked how the Shadow Broker thanked Liara for bringing Mr. Massani to him as the Blue Suns had a large bounty on his head. I guess they're a little peeved at him for killing Vido.

There were only two extremely minor things which I would have liked better. I knew Tela Vasir was behind the assassination attempt. The shifty look in her eyes gave that right away during her first introduction. If her character had been a bit more like Officer Dara, the betrayal would have been more dramatic.

The second thing occurred during the talk with Liara on the Normandy. Liara asks you a question about what will happen after the mission. You only have two choices: "Happily ever after" or "Death." I don't know what Shepard says if "Death" is chosen but I'm guessing it wasn't very cheerful. "Happily ever after" results in Shepard talking about marriage and lots of blue babies.

I've never seen any of my Shepards as the domestic sort so I think I'll be finding out what the "Death" option has to offer next time through. I'd have preferred a middle option You can still make it romantic-sounding. "I can't foresee the future, Liara, but no matter what happens, I will always love you."

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I really, really liked this.





To answer a few questions I have seen...









*spoilers*









1. About the videos: They will refresh (as in go to a new 'set' of videos) every time you exit and re-enter the base. There are 3 sets that I saw before they repeated. So, if you want to see another set, go to the Normandy, then go right back to the base and enter it.





2. With the 'investment' opportunities: You can invest 4 times a day, in everything from politics to helping police forces to smuggling. This will cost a small amount of Credits. BE WARNED: There is a chance a investment will FAIL and you will have spent the money on that for NOTHING. However, if it succeeds, you get a slightly large amount of Credits (not sure of the exact values, never paid attention :P). After you invest in all opportunities, then either go on a mission or wait for 24 hours in real life, a 'report' will be available on whether the mission succeeded or failed. After you look at the reports, more investment opportunities will be available. I assume you can invest infinitely; just remember to wait a real life day or do a mission to go to the next set.



3. Survey planets: Similar to the investments. You can buy the location of mineral-rich planets, then you can travel to them (it will show where they are in your Galaxy Map) and mine them. After you do so, you can buy the location of another set of mineral-rich planets. There are 4 planets per set, one for each type of resource.



3. Dossiers: Fun little backround information on characters and organizations you've met. Not sure about organizations, but with the squad member dossiers, they only become available after you have that squad member (so if you don't have Garrus, you cannot check his dossier).



4. Retrain squad powers: Self explanatory. You can pay a small amount of Credits to redo all of that squad members Squad Points.





That's about it... hope it helps!

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armass wrote...

Mako Zalos wrote...

There for a second when I first saw the Shadow Broker I thought he was an unmasked volus and then he stood up and I was like.... $h1+. But I'm really happy, new race.


Room would have to have ammonia like atmosphere for a volus to be without it's suit.


Not to mention being at a pressure fatal to most species.

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Great DLC! Loved it. When I got to Liara's apartment, I must have stood there for over a minute just gawking out the window. The view of the city and the rain effects were just amazing. Nice work, this was worth the wait.

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inversevideo wrote...

This DLC left me squealing like a little girl!

It was FUN fun fun from start to finish.

Up until this point I though Kasumi:Stolen Memories, was boss, did not care too much for Overlord as the Firewalker detracted from the game for me.

However, this was just fun from start to finish.
And the hover car chase scene, especially due to the banter between Hillis and Hale, was just awesome.

I actually like the 'window' we get on how some, out in the galaxy, view Shepard's working with Cerberus. Shepard always knew the price of dealing with Cerberus, including that some their 'stink' would rub off on her. But sacrificing her reputation to save humanity, and stop the Reapers was just something that had to be done. Ironically, doing what it takes to safeguard the galaxy and it's citizens, is what Spectres do.

All around A+ for this DLC!


Indeed.  It's hard for me as a mostly paragon focused played to be associated with Cerberus (especially my Sole Survivor Shep) but it has to be that way for now no matter what others may think.  If you read the Admiral Hacket report at the intel center it mentions Alliance Criminal Investigative Services (or whatever their legal/judical branch is called) wanted to try to arrest you but Hacket denies their request. 

Adm. Hacket either knows what you're doing and has cut you loose to do it or he knew any attempt to arrest you would be futile and likely deadly for the team that tried.

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This DLC was absolute perfection. Every minute was worth it.



The dialogue, the gameplay. Yeah. Beautiful.



Thank you BioWare. Just... thank you.

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I loved Hacket's respone:

REQUEST DENIED.

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I went back and explored a bit. The drone was hilarious and it was nice to talk to Feron. Then there is the squad retrain powers I've been waiting for forever. The dossiers on your squad, Cerberus, etc. was a fun read and last but not least, the conversation with Liara. My Shepard didn't get together with Liara but it was still satisfying.



Witch Hunt time :).

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I hope Hackett, comes back.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I loved Hacket's respone:
REQUEST DENIED.


That was awesome!  It was almost as if he was saying "I don;t have time for stupid.  F U!"  LOL!!!  

It seems we may still have a friend in the Alliance afterall.  I hope we actually get to meet him in ME3.

Modifié par Yakko77, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I loved Hacket's respone:
REQUEST DENIED.


if that's not worthy of being called a Crowning Moment of Awesome, then I don't know what is.

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I cant wait to see Hacket since not even the SB knows what he looks like.

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I just wanted to say thanks to the devs for making such an amazing DLC. It is such a relief to finally have Liara back, and to have her relationship with Shepard back on track. The romantic content was excellent, and seemed to be made with a lot of thought and care. Shep and Liara acted like a real couple. They felt like real people finally reconnecting after a long period of uncertainty and separation, and the entire dev team has my sincere gratitude.



And that paragon kiss interrupt after you kill the SB? By the Goddess, that was amazing. It definitely made up for that awkward and unnervingly cold "kiss" that happened during their original ME2 reunion.



Just please, Please, PLEASE don't forget about Liara in ME3. She is such an amazing character, and this DLC has given her fanbase a much needed injection of enthusiam. Don't waste it, Bioware!



Also... show some love to the Ash and Kaidan fans. They're all feeling justifiably ignored right now.

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Yeah, it's gonna be really hard for my Shepards to ever hook up with anyone but Liara after this. If only because she now has the most "developed" relationship by far. Seriously, her conversation in Shepard's cabin is head and shoulders above anything from any of the other LIs.

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Awesome DLC platinum standard in all senses, good story, gorgeous areas, awesome boss fights (Illium boss fight was INCREDIBLE) and really emotive interaction between Liara and Shepard.



10/10 Bioware, thank you so much for this.

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Excellent DLC Bioware. This opens all kinds of avenues and pathways for future DLC's. Lets just hope it isnt too long before the next installment. This one was worth the wait for sure but it almost drove the majority of us crazy........



Maybe as a little apology to the PC users we could get a midnight release on the next one for the PC?? just a thought ;) lol



seriously though. congrats. the fanbase are all gonna be pretty satisfied with the way this one ends. Thank you.

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Ulicus wrote...
Seriously, her conversation in Shepard's cabin is head and shoulders above anything from any of the other LIs.

Agreed. After ME2, I lost faith in the Bioware writers. Now... it's slowly coming back. The cabin scene was better than I dared hope.

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ratzerman wrote...

Ulicus wrote...
Seriously, her conversation in Shepard's cabin is head and shoulders above anything from any of the other LIs.

Agreed. After ME2, I lost faith in the Bioware writers. Now... it's slowly coming back. The cabin scene was better than I dared hope.

I have to agree with this, too. And I'm glad that scene was with Liara. She's still the best.

ME2's writing and story overall left a lot to be desired but this DLC was an exception. Keep it up Bioware.

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Stasis is completely useless. You can't even harm the person you inflict it upon. I don't think stasis is what she was talking about. I wonder if it's the videos...

-Polite



Have to disagree there.  Stasis was extremely helpful in the Tela Vasir fight.  Have Liara put her in stasis, get into position, fire up the Geth Shotgun, and BLAM!  Wash, rinse, repeat.

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This DLC was pure awesome, loved it! So when is the next one coming :P ?

Hope there will be a few smaller packs in between. We need more casual wear and armor parts! Make it happen!
Give me that outfit Liara is wearing as the SB, I dig that ^^

Modifié par foxunit, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:13 .


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Give me that outfit Liara is wearing as the SB, I dig that ^^

Liara's armor was fantastic! It was the perfect mix of sexiness and practicality. Kudos to whoever designed it.

And it was such a thrill to have a squadmate wearing.... *gasp*..... ARMOR again!

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- Actual mission length
- - Lack of investigation, following leads were actually simple shoot-outs. Well delievered shoot-outs, on the other hand.
- Release issues. Come on, it wasn't the first.
- - - No opportunity for making a decision, all choices was about attitude.


+ Armospheric setting and visual design, again.
+ Additional character informations, (First I've played with Jack at my side, I appreciated her being mentioned several times as opposed to previous DLCs)
+++ Post-mission stuff. Finally! That's added a great deal to the value of the DLC. I spent another hour with reading stuff, going out and in to check some footage at the surv. room. If it weren't in there, I would say it was overpriced. But finally, it had more to offer than a simple mission with some gunfights. Good job!
+ LI-specific dialogue option with Liara, when she asks why we are fighting for. A bit cliché, but I appreciated the thought.
++ Dossiers: Some of them were just for fun, like Grunt, Legion, some of them semi serious, like the absolutely brilliant Mordin Solus STG mission report (I loved it!), or Jacqueline Nought's extranet reports (however the poem didn't hit. She's emotionally underdeveloped given her past, but she isn't 14 years old), some were utterly dramatic, like Miranda's struggle to have a child. The last one was also surprising, I didn't see her as a motherly person.
+ Bringing back the Specters (I was hoping she stays alive, would have been a good candidate for my ME3 squad, even if ruthless. :) Another half plus point for her being motivated clearly, not just being the usual bad guy... erm, girl. err... you never know with those asari.)
(+ on the sneak path: I like the new Liara better. She's more believable, and the New Shadow Broker, although it was obvious, fits her a great deal)

I'm still against the DLC micromarketing system, but if this would become the standard quality for... let's say the 560 BW points DLC, I'd change my mind.

Modifié par hawat333, 08 septembre 2010 - 03:45 .