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[MA5Bergey]

Only thing I wish they did in this DLC... is to let Shep try to rekindle something even if he romanced Ashley (or Femshep/Kaiden I guess)... In the first game I took the romance until the point where you have to choose between the two and I chose Ashley... after playing the DLC I felt like they were still going to give it a chance then at the end it's "Oh well, goodbye." If only I chose Liara on my main playthrough lol.

[InHarmsWay]

I felt like I became the most powerful individual in the galaxy at the end of that mission.

[Rockworm503]

MadCat221 wrote...

Something I noticed... The DLC recognizes if you finished the Suicide Mission, and even what the fate of the Collector base is... but the game still does not recognize the fact that Paragon Shepard told Timmay to go soak his head. Why am I still considered a Cerberus lackey? It's even reflected in the dossiers, with Legion's chat with EDI about communicating electronically. Cerberus can go take a long walk off a short pier AFAIC by that point in the game.

"Fall in line or step aside, but don't get in my way." Doesn't get any more clear-cut than that, BW devs.

OMG yes I noticed this but didn't think about it at the time.  I'm still considered Cerebrus lap dog yet I did everything I could to ****** off TIM at the end.   Thats a bit lazy if you ask me.

[didymos1120]

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

I'm gonna have to forget I saw Kasumi's poem about Jacob though. Isn't she still in morning?

Poor Keiji.  Dude's probably spinning in his graybox (or pine box.  Whatever).  Seriously, though: what is up that chick and Jacob?  Probably never actually tried talking to him.

[Yantze]

InHarmsWay wrote...

I felt like I became the most powerful individual in the galaxy at the end of that mission.

Have to agree with you there. So much information at your fingertips. Oh and DLC was amazing best one so far. I would comment on it but everyone has pretty much covered what I would say. Waiting patiently for a Kaiden/Ashley DLC now.

[implodinggoat]

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.



I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.



Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.



I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

[Herr Sovereign]

 I am speechless. This DLC was a masterpiece in all fronts. Thank you, Bioware.

"Come back soon, Liara..." - I hope this is an indication that Liara might return for Mass Effect 3 in a more prominent way than in Mass Effect 2. 

[JamieCOTC]

Toochanka/ERASED/Tuchanka



Funny!

[Bismar09]

implodinggoat wrote...

*snip*

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

She does say multiple times how she can help shep and how (s)he will keep her honest.  Also she never says how its all hers, but she says its "all ours" at least twice I think.

Though I do hope she gives it up and comes back to the Normandy :innocent:

[SweetPuff]

DarthCaine wrote...

Promethium147 wrote...

Does anyone have a list of the Shadow Broker's lines referencing your other squadmate besides Liara? I had Garrus with me, and he said something like "I see you brought Archangel to me. The bounty on his head remains intact."

For Tali, he said something how she got her whole team killed at Haestorm

For Grunt, he said something about dissecting him.

[Atilius the Hun]

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

Well said!  Redemption or finding a sliver of an opportunity to do the right thing is something that I'm hoping for in ME3...for Sheppard, Liara and other characters who find themselves in a mess.

[Tazzmission]

ok update. i just did my second play of the dlc without the li and honestly it was still pretty damn well written, i would also like to point out i played as a adept and basicly punching was more effective than shooting the sb.. basicly i meled him the whole time

[Tazzmission]

i also want to say that you can do lotsb without doing the hack the nodes minigame with liara

[Terror_K]

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

Agreed. I hope at the end of ME3 there's a The Dark Knight-esque ending where you both end up destroying the facility together. Another excuse to have a kiss with sparks flying too that way.

[JamieCOTC]

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

Agreed.  On my first playthrough, I missed an important Paragon Interupt, second one, I think.  Didn't really think much of it, but on the second playthrough I got it and it didn't go well.  Liara started talking like Timmeh, at least for a second. Ever since they killed her mother, I've had this ugly feeling that BW was trying to construct a Liaribastila for the ME series.  As much as I loved both NWN and KOTOR,  I too am a bit worn out on this plot device.  The "Normandy date" gave me hope, though.  I guess we will see. 

[PrinceLionheart]

My one complaint about the DLC is that the SB could've used more development. I thought his boss fight was cool but Tela Vasir completely upstaged him as an antagonist. 

[Tazzmission]

Terror_K wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

Agreed. I hope at the end of ME3 there's a The Dark Knight-esque ending where you both end up destroying the facility together. Another excuse to have a kiss with sparks flying too that way.

i like the new liara actually, she reminds me of oracle aka barbra gordon from the batman comics but more bad ass

Modifié par Tazzmission, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[KingDan97]

SweetPuff wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Promethium147 wrote...

Does anyone have a list of the Shadow Broker's lines referencing your other squadmate besides Liara? I had Garrus with me, and he said something like "I see you brought Archangel to me. The bounty on his head remains intact."

For Tali, he said something how she got her whole team killed at Haestorm

For Grunt, he said something about dissecting him.

Miri had something along the lines of "With both of you out of the picture, Cerberus is sure to crumble."

[jlb524]

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

I disagree.  First, I don't think power corrupts everyone and is dependent on the individual.  Liara also did state that she planned on using the Shadow Broker's resources to do good (for one, helping Shepard stop the Reapers) and I trust her on this (there are also those missions you can fund at one of the terminals and we can see they involve using the SB's resources to help others).  A second thing to consider is the possible negative ramifications that could occur if the galaxy didn't have a Shadow Broker.  You heard how many agents were freaking out when the SB's network was down temporarily....without the presence of a Shadow Broker, the galactic web of info trading that the SB seems to manage may descend into chaos, and who knows what effects that might have on galactic stability.   Someone has to do it, and I feel that it's best for it to be someone that Shepard trusts implicitly, and someone who I feel does have their heart in the right place. 

Plus, Shepard isn't using Liara as a sacrificial lamb...this whole thing was her idea and her choice.  It wasn't her initial intention to overtake the SB's network, but when she saw the potential benefit with it, she couldn't refuse it.  I see no evidence that Liara is corrupted by this or will be.  After ME3, she may indeed hand the reigns over to another, but I forsee her maintaining the position of SB and aiding Shepard throughout ME3.  I also don't think she will become 'evil' or corrupt and ever become an antagonist to Shepard....Shepard will have enough to deal with in ME3 with the Reapers.  Liara's plot role will be to aid against them.

[Tazzmission]

i enjoyed the new upgraded stasis power with this dlc because in me1 i hated that power with a passion, i do wonder down the line if more me1 powers like overkill or assasination will be put into me2 dlc

Modifié par Tazzmission, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[LPPrince]

JRCHOharry wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
No, because you're actually wrong. Try again.

Seriously, no one is even coming CLOSE. It can't be that hard. There's not a lot of roles Javi and I could've taken.

Did you play one of the injured civilians?

I swear if you say you played the Broker's VI I will choke you! 

FINALLY.

Yes, I played one of the male injured civilians. Lord no, I am not the voice of the VI. lol

[Terror_K]

Tazzmission wrote...

i like the new liara actually, she reminds me of oracle aka barbra gordon from the batman comics but more bad ass

To be fair Barbara was pretty badass when she was Batgirl before Joker put her in a wheelchair.

I like the new Liara too... Liara v3.0 if you will (if you count ME1 Liara as v1.0 and SB-Hunter Liara from vanilla ME2 as v2.0). She's got a little of both, but afterwards is closer to her ME1 self again in many ways, but not fully. A little less naive and a little more wisened and mentally stronger and more confident. She actually grew a fair bit in the DLC story itself, with a great weight now off her shoulders combined with Shepard's support and guidance. She'll never be the same Liara again thanks to her recent past, which has left a permanent scar I feel, but she's been made stronger for it at the same time. I just fear for what could happen to her over time with such information and resources at her disposal. Shepard may keep her honest, combined with her quest to help him/her stop The Reapers. But who knows once that's behind them what it could do to her.

[implodinggoat]

Terror_K wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

I hope we get a chance to get Liara out of the Shadow Brokering business in ME3.

I can see where having her in that position is advantageous (and convenient story wise); but you do get the sense that a job like that is bound to chip away at her inner goodness. I mean when we find her she's being corrupted and destroyed by this ridiculous vendetta with the Shadow Broker and as soon as we help her resolve that she finds herself in a position where she has acquired immense power by taking over the title of a very dirty job.

Power corrupts. Thus I can't help but feeling that at the end of LOTSB we've taken Liara out of the frying pan and thrown her into the fire. Since you have to prepare for the Reapers it would be foolish to throw away all the power at the Shadow Broker's disposal; but it feels like your using Liara as a sort of sacrificial lamb. Compromising your convictions is a running theme in ME2 (Cerberus being the embodiment of this) and I'm starting to get tired of it.

I hope that in ME3 we'll get the opportunity to throw the power away and let Liara get away from all this filth. She was a very good archeologist.

Agreed. I hope at the end of ME3 there's a The Dark Knight-esque ending where you both end up destroying the facility together. Another excuse to have a kiss with sparks flying too that way.

I was thinking more along the lines of the ending of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.  

You know, the scene where Indy is hanging over a precipice reaching for the Holy Grail while his dad is desperately trying to pull him up by one hand.  So if Indy doesn't let the grail go and help his dad pull him to safety, he'll fall (in effect his desires will destroy him).   Then his dad convinces him to let the power and temptation go and come back to being an archeologist (see any obvious parallels?).  Liara is Indy, Shepard is Sean Connery (Indy's dad for any uncultured individuals who haven't seen the Last Crusade). 

Without you she'll destroy herself; but as hard as you try you can't save her by yourself, you have to convince her to save herself.  I think it could make for some pretty powerful and dramatic storytelling.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:47 .