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sh4deinc wrote...

Hey guys i'd just like to refer you to the Playthrough I told some of you i'd be making.  I spent a good 14 hours in these LOTSB threads yesterday with ya'll, hope you enjoy it.

www.youtube.com/watch

Playthrough is Male Renegade and full HD.  Enjoy.


Thank you for this. I didn't do all of the Renegade choices and I had everyone survive in all my pts, so you have stuff I wouldn't be able to see. Much appreciated. :-)

This is my version of the ending and hostage situation. If anyone's interested. ;-)

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I just finished the DLC, it was magnificent. The last two DLCs (this one and Overlord) were the best dlc I have ever purchased for any game. I just wished that the dragon age could follow mass effect in that way.Especially when I was so disappointed with the latest dragon age dlc in addition to all the glitches it had.

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hawat333 wrote...

Now, on my 4th playthrough, I gambled. This is my experimental character who actually had a romance with our favorite blueling, and well: If you want to keep your current LI, then, in the end don't choose the 'Hug her' option as the game will recognize the comforting act as a mating ritual. (Oh come on, guys at BioWare, you haven't ever hugged a women out of friendship when she was down?)
So
- for the semi-forced romance with no indication
- for the former SB itself.
Of course it's a matter of preference. The character itself was right, even the suit that gave him a comical relief, but the Machine Gun with a Shield, it was too much comics for me. But again, it's highly depends on the player.

Still the best DLC up to this date.


Uh no. I hugged Liara. I was a bit worried when she asked to come up to my room... and I chose "some time" and Shepard said "it's a date." So then I went back and said no, and Shepard was a jerk to her. So then I said "f it" and invited her up to see what the scene would be like, hoping I wouldn't get like a "YOU CHEATED ON TALI!" achievement. So Liara walks into the room all sexy and Shepard is pouring two glasses of wine. "Oh dang, it's gonna happen," I thought. But no, they just had a nice chat. Maybe it's because I chose not to romance anyone in ME1, maybe it's because I kept the conversation civil and said "Yes" when Liara asked if my motivation was getting Tali a planet, but Shepard and Liara never did the deed and Tali is still the girl I can call up to my room.

So no, you DON'T have to romance Liara if you hug her.


I loved the SB, personally. A new character and race revealed in one. The suit made me chuckle, too. And I thought his armament and armor were totally BA. And heck, Geth lay down like portable shields, why would it be a far stretch to say that someone might have a permanent one?



One thing I didn't like, though, was the Paragon interupts after defeating the Spectre. I was like "yeah, time to do some awesome Paragon stuff!" and Shepard totally just whined. And there were like 2 or 3 in a row there, so it's not like I'll remember which one was the whiny one the next time I play. And it plays RIGHT AFTER the boss fight which is pretty long, so you'd have to redo the entire boss just to change your decisions (and you'd have to wait for the cutscenes to play out, the game to load the Shadow Broker's ship, etc. just to reload your game). But that's... the only realistic thing I didn't like about the DLC.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

In the hidden audio files, there was a conversation where Liara tells Shepard why the collectors were interested in his body. Did anyone get that conversation in the DLC? I never got it.


Nope.  As best I can tell (I've tried triggering it all sorts of different ways), they used exactly one line from that batch of unused dialogue: the one where Shep says Cerberus passed along some intel on the Broker.

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Alright here is my LotSB review

Overview:
Overall this DLC is totaly worth it's points, there is more then 2 hours of fun to make out of it and the gamplay is very good, the dialog and cutscenes are nicely done and the boss battles are epic, and after the missions is complete there is still tons of stuff you can do.

Strongpoints,

.1  beautiful level desing and effects during gamplay,

.2  Excellent boss fights

.3 Very good atmosphere while playing

.4 Much things you can do in the Shadow brokers intel center

In detail

The overall design of this DLC is amazing , during the search in Liara's apartment(which was one of my favourite parts) the rain and thunder outside plus the background music really gave me the idea that this was another game, the battle through the heights of Illium played very well, and there is a great cinamatic experiance throughout the mission, The effects and views on the exterior are outstanding.

The Boss Fight where something complety new to mass effect, rather then trying to kill your enemy as fast as you can there where several stages in which you needed other ways to kill them, the enemies also made use of special abilities that most other enemies don't use.

Some downsides.

.1 The interior of the Shadow Brokers ships looks to much like omega.

.2 The reveal of the shadow broker species came out of nowhere

.3 Some problems with bridging, (see later)

.4 The ending is both good and somewhat disapoitning (see  later)

One of the problems  i see what this DLC is that it might go uncompatible with other post SM Dlc and Mass effect 3,  i see much potinal in using the Intel center to our advantage in in other DLC but since this is a DLC it self, there is very little change that the Intel center is going to apear in other DLC since some people haven't bought it, same with Mass effect 3, people who haven''t bought it can't  use it, now i can see bioware making a different version for people  who doesn't have played it, the effect of DLC is very big on the mass effect Universe.

The ending is somewhat disapointing, after we killed the Shadow broker,we take his organisation over, now this can be useful but why  do we want to keep this system of lies,spying and conspiracy intact no of course you might that Sheppard and Liara will only use this for good things but still it doesn't veel very Sheppard like, at i know that people can do strange things with the power they are given.

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Kind of hard to go through 50 pages, but does anyone know if you're loyal to the Liara romance if you're able to call her up to your room on the terminal like the other romances? I romanced her in ME1 and Tali in ME2. I was still able to continue the romance (the loyal to Liara videos on youtube appear to be the exact same as what I had), but the picture is still facing down and I still can call up Tali on the terminal.

I'm wondering if I need to do another playthrough while being loyal to her for it to carry over to ME3, because it doesn't look like it will carry over with this DLC.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:12 .


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Systemlord Baal wrote...

sh4deinc wrote...

Hey guys i'd just like to refer you to the Playthrough I told some of you i'd be making.  I spent a good 14 hours in these LOTSB threads yesterday with ya'll, hope you enjoy it.

www.youtube.com/watch

Playthrough is Male Renegade and full HD.  Enjoy.


Thank you for this. I didn't do all of the Renegade choices and I had everyone survive in all my pts, so you have stuff I wouldn't be able to see. Much appreciated. :-)

This is my version of the ending and hostage situation. If anyone's interested. ;-)


Your very welcome!  If you want to do me a favor you can bump the little thread I made so I don't have to bump it myself.  I just want people who don't have the time to play as renegade or as a male to see the options and results they missed!

Here's the thread, if you just want to say thanks or something to give it a bump up:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4736266

Modifié par sh4deinc, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:20 .


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Fixers0 wrote...

Alright here is my LotSB review

Overview:
Overall this DLC is totaly worth it's points, there is more then 2 hours of fun to make out of it and the gamplay is very good, the dialog and cutscenes are nicely done and the boss battles are epic, and after the missions is complete there is still tons of stuff you can do.

Strongpoints,

.1  beautiful level desing and effects during gamplay,

.2  Excellent boss fights

.3 Very good atmosphere while playing

.4 Much things you can do in the Shadow brokers intel center

In detail

The overall design of this DLC is amazing , during the search in Liara's apartment(which was one of my favourite parts) the rain and thunder outside plus the background music really gave me the idea that this was another game, the battle through the heights of Illium played very well, and there is a great cinamatic experiance throughout the mission, The effects and views on the exterior are outstanding.

The Boss Fight where something complety new to mass effect, rather then trying to kill your enemy as fast as you can there where several stages in which you needed other ways to kill them, the enemies also made use of special abilities that most other enemies don't use.

Some downsides.

.1 The interior of the Shadow Brokers ships looks to much like omega.

.2 The reveal of the shadow broker species came out of nowhere

.3 Some problems with bridging, (see later)

.4 The ending is both good and somewhat disapoitning (see  later)

One of the problems  i see what this DLC is that it might go uncompatible with other post SM Dlc and Mass effect 3,  i see much potinal in using the Intel center to our advantage in in other DLC but since this is a DLC it self, there is very little change that the Intel center is going to apear in other DLC since some people haven't bought it, same with Mass effect 3, people who haven''t bought it can't  use it, now i can see bioware making a different version for people  who doesn't have played it, the effect of DLC is very big on the mass effect Universe.

The ending is somewhat disapointing, after we killed the Shadow broker,we take his organisation over, now this can be useful but why  do we want to keep this system of lies,spying and conspiracy intact no of course you might that Sheppard and Liara will only use this for good things but still it doesn't veel very Sheppard like, at i know that people can do strange things with the power they are given.


Tearing down the Shadow Broker network would create a power vacuum.  Bad things happen in power vacuums.

#1259
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I think the email from cerberus does make sense even if you told them your through, TIM is probably keen to hurt the SB, and he knows that you and liara are as well, so by sending you the intel, he doesnt have to risk sending his own people, and after the events of retribution he probably doesnt have many people to spare

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Shirosaki17 wrote...

Kind of hard to go through 50 pages, but does anyone know if you're loyal to the Liara romance if you're able to call her up to your room on the terminal like the other romances? I romanced her in ME1 and Tali in ME2. I was still able to continue the romance (the loyal to Liara videos on youtube appear to be the exact same as what I had), but the picture is still facing down and I still can call up Tali on the terminal.

I'm wondering if I need to do another playthrough while being loyal to her for it to carry over to ME3, because it doesn't look like it will carry over with this DLC.


No you cannot call her up unfortunately.

I made two seperate versions, one where I cheated on her with one character, and one where I remained loyal.

Im just too curious to see how this works to pass it up.

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So... I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but has anyone else remembered that in ME1, it's stated (I think either in the Codex, or talking to Kohaku) that Cerberus was originally a black ops group that was part of the Alliance? I can't help but wonder, now, if it still is, hence the video with Anderson and the Cerberus person... That could also have something to do with the whole greybox issue in Kasumi's mission. Based on Keiji's comments, it's stated that whatever the secret info is, it could reflect very, very badly on the Alliance as a whole. Wouldn't it make sense for Cerberus to recruit the person best qualified to find, and (they wish) destroy that info, ie Kasumi? Just a few thoughts that I couldn't help considering. Certainly meshes with the videos, and hints at further DLCs...

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 i just want to say on the "official" and stickied LotSB thread that after much PC issues, i finally played it and it was AWESOME!

you outdid yourself, bioware. i am so impressed. bosses, car chases, explosions, another spectre, a totally unexpected shadow broker, and even quiet moments of "ah ha! conspiracy!" and three things i'd been wanting so badly:
  • shep finally opening up and being human about his/her past few months
  • a (brief in the case of kaidan/ashley) nod to the ME1 romances
  • femshep sitting with her knees together when wearing a dress
Thank you. that was awesome.

Modifié par sagequeen, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:34 .


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Was it just me, or did the voice acting seem better than usual? I mean, it's always good in ME, but this time it was top-notch, especially Meer.



Overall, I agree with most everyone else that this was a great DLC on many levels. I, like many, felt that $10 for a two-hour DLC was pretty steep, but after I thought about it, that's about how much you spend to go see a two-hour movie these days, and that's only for one showing (nor will Bioware make nearly as great a percentage of profit on the DLC than a movie would). Plus, you can play it with more than one Shepard and make it a different experience each time!



My only complaint was of the Shadow Broker himself. Not that I didn't think he was badass, but there was absolutely no way to guess who or what he was. I remember discussing the identity of the Shadow Broker on many threads, based on "evidence" and "hints" from many parts of ME 1 and 2, only to find out there was absolutely no way you could have guessed it because he is part of a brand-new race. Basically, it kind of takes the mystery out of it if there isn't an "aha!" moment. Nevertheless, that was pretty minor, and I won't decrease my opinion of the mod. 10/10.

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1490 wrote...

Was it just me, or did the voice acting seem better than usual? I mean, it's always good in ME, but this time it was top-notch, especially Meer.

Overall, I agree with most everyone else that this was a great DLC on many levels. I, like many, felt that $10 for a two-hour DLC was pretty steep, but after I thought about it, that's about how much you spend to go see a two-hour movie these days, and that's only for one showing (nor will Bioware make nearly as great a percentage of profit on the DLC than a movie would). Plus, you can play it with more than one Shepard and make it a different experience each time!

My only complaint was of the Shadow Broker himself. Not that I didn't think he was badass, but there was absolutely no way to guess who or what he was. I remember discussing the identity of the Shadow Broker on many threads, based on "evidence" and "hints" from many parts of ME 1 and 2, only to find out there was absolutely no way you could have guessed it because he is part of a brand-new race. Basically, it kind of takes the mystery out of it if there isn't an "aha!" moment. Nevertheless, that was pretty minor, and I won't decrease my opinion of the mod. 10/10.


Meer has finally settled into the character of Commander Shepard.

For only doing side voices before doing Mass Effect, I thought both of his performances were incredible.

His performance in Shadow Broker, in my opinion, was even better than Jennifer Hale.

Thats right, I said it.

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I still find it a little strange that Shep didn't accompany Liara to her apartment in the beginning though and she expects him to take a cab to meet her.

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Ch40sFox wrote...

1490 wrote...

Was it just me, or did the voice acting seem better than usual? I mean, it's always good in ME, but this time it was top-notch, especially Meer.

Overall, I agree with most everyone else that this was a great DLC on many levels. I, like many, felt that $10 for a two-hour DLC was pretty steep, but after I thought about it, that's about how much you spend to go see a two-hour movie these days, and that's only for one showing (nor will Bioware make nearly as great a percentage of profit on the DLC than a movie would). Plus, you can play it with more than one Shepard and make it a different experience each time!

My only complaint was of the Shadow Broker himself. Not that I didn't think he was badass, but there was absolutely no way to guess who or what he was. I remember discussing the identity of the Shadow Broker on many threads, based on "evidence" and "hints" from many parts of ME 1 and 2, only to find out there was absolutely no way you could have guessed it because he is part of a brand-new race. Basically, it kind of takes the mystery out of it if there isn't an "aha!" moment. Nevertheless, that was pretty minor, and I won't decrease my opinion of the mod. 10/10.


Meer has finally settled into the character of Commander Shepard.

For only doing side voices before doing Mass Effect, I thought both of his performances were incredible.

His performance in Shadow Broker, in my opinion, was even better than Jennifer Hale.

Thats right, I said it.


I agree.  Hale is always good for sure, but Meer seemed like he was really feeling it this time: not just reading straight off the lines.  Either way though, male or femshep, it was an awesome DLC.  One of the very best romance scenes so far as well.

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Your very welcome!  If you want to do me a favor you can bump the little thread I made so I don't have to bump it myself.  I just want people who don't have the time to play as renegade or as a male to see the options and results they missed!

Here's the thread, if you just want to say thanks or something to give it a bump up:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/4736266


Sure thing :-)

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Damn! I wanna be able to warp from point A to B in a blink of an eye, or at least have a shockball wave!

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So, uh, why can't we tell Liara that there's video footage of the Matriarch bartender (who quite plainly states that she's had a purebood Asari kid and it didn't work out) staring at a picture of her?



Apart from that one niggling issue, it's the best Mass Effect 2 DLC by far. I love all the callbacks to the first game, especially the one about using omnigel to instantly open doors.

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Hoax86 wrote...
So, uh, why can't we tell Liara that there's video footage of the Matriarch bartender (who quite plainly states that she's had a purebood Asari kid and it didn't work out) staring at a picture of her?

I guess because BW wants some Liara related (personal) stuff to be in ME3 ^_^

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Hoax86 wrote...

So, uh, why can't we tell Liara that there's video footage of the Matriarch bartender (who quite plainly states that she's had a purebood Asari kid and it didn't work out) staring at a picture of her?

Apart from that one niggling issue, it's the best Mass Effect 2 DLC by far. I love all the callbacks to the first game, especially the one about using omnigel to instantly open doors.


umm, wouldn't she already know? I'm sure she would have watched the video

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Antioch0074 wrote...

Damn! I wanna be able to warp from point A to B in a blink of an eye, or at least have a shockball wave!

Then play as a Vanguard, or did you want it in real life ?

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SweetPuff wrote...

I still find it a little strange that Shep didn't accompany Liara to her apartment in the beginning though and she expects him to take a cab to meet her.


She tells you why: she needs to go figure some things out, make a few calls, make some plans, etc., so come by in a little while and she should be ready.  The fact that you can then immediately take the cab is just a gameplay thing.  In "reality" Shep goofed off in the bar or something for a couple hours and then hailed a taxi.

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found this on gamefaqs....someone asked what shadow broker says to each companion



Garrus - It's good you brought Archangel, T'Soni. Your friend's bounty is still unclaimed.

Grunt - Thank you for bringing me Okeer's project, T'Soni. His dissection will be... interesting.

Jack - Thank you for bringing me Subject Zero, T'Soni. Her body will net almost as much as Shepard's.

Jacob - At least you brought me both Shepard and Mr. Taylor, T'Soni. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus.

Kasumi - I'm obliged you brought along Ms. Goto, T'Soni. That graybox she's hiding is priceless.

Legion - Thank you for bringing me the geth, T'Soni. Cerberus undervalued its selling price.

Miranda - At least you brought me both Shepard and Ms. Lawson, T'Soni. Their deaths will cripple Cerberus.

Mordin - At least you brought me the salarian, T'Soni. Krogan pay well for former Special Task Group members.

Samara - The Justicar is impressive, T'Soni. Her daughter was obviously not a proper challenge.

Tali - I'm surprised you brought the quarian, T'Soni. Her supposed leadership on Haestrom got most of her team killed.

Thane - Bringing an assassin was shrewd, T'Soni. I'll give Mr. Krios' son my regards.

Zaeed - Thank you for bringing me Mr. Massani, T'Soni. His bounty from the Blue Suns is most generous.

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Alexia89 wrote...

found this on gamefaqs....someone asked what shadow broker says to each companion


There's actually a few more than that.  Some of the squadmates have variations, depending on whether you've done their loyalty or not, and sometimes on the outcome of that mission. For instance, take Morinth and the Broker will still call her "Justicar" but he'll mention her recent "changed agenda".  Another is, if you take Kasumi before Hock's, the Broker will quip that she's going to miss the party.  And yes: I've already ripped the audio from Lair.

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:06 .