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[CC-Tron]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I don't see why anyone would do this post SM anymore. The sheer fact that it has 2 research upgrades (heavy pistol damage and damage protection) and AT VERY LEAST 4 extras from the terminal right next to Liara (Assault Rifle Damage (Yes Assault Rifles can now get 7/7 damage upgrades) SMG Damage, Shotgun Damage and Sniper Rifle damage). I honestly question why anyone would really WANT to wait for post Suicide Mission to do this when starting a new game.

There could be even more upgrades from that Terminal she stands next to, I'll continue to check (I do this by saving on the Normandy, checking the terminal, then reloading a save if there is no research upgrade. Using that method you could get all 4 upgrades by completeing 4 missions after this one is over).

I know the Dialog is weighted towards Post Suicide Mission. But honestly I think it just makes more sense to do it beforehand.

Great DLC. I hope every DLC and ME 3 can live up to the standard this one set. This has been my favorite ME 2 experience.

The dialogue didn't seem to be post suicide mission. The shadow broker mentioned the collectors as if they still had a bounty out on Shephard. If the collectors and their base were destroyed the SB would know about it.

[TomY90]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...



I know the Dialog is weighted towards Post Suicide Mission. But honestly I think it just makes more sense to do it beforehand.

I believe you can delay the conversation with Liara till after the mission if you wish I do not think you have to invite her into the normandy straight after the mission. I am sorry if i have got that wrong

[TomY90]

CC-Tron wrote...

The dialogue didn't seem to be post suicide mission. The shadow broker mentioned the collectors as if they still had a bounty out on Shephard. If the collectors and their base were destroyed the SB would know about it.

one mine he was he was even talking about the destruction of the base and how the Normandy IFF will recoup those losses for him

[Fiery Phoenix]

TomY90 wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...



I know the Dialog is weighted towards Post Suicide Mission. But honestly I think it just makes more sense to do it beforehand.

I believe you can delay the conversation with Liara till after the mission if you wish I do not think you have to invite her into the normandy straight after the mission. I am sorry if i have got that wrong

No. That's correct. And your conversation with Liara will play out differently depending on several factors, including whether or not you've done the suicide mission, whether or not you romanced her in ME1, and whether or not you have an ME2 love interest.

It's all very well done.

[CC-Tron]

TomY90 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

The dialogue didn't seem to be post suicide mission. The shadow broker mentioned the collectors as if they still had a bounty out on Shephard. If the collectors and their base were destroyed the SB would know about it.

one mine he was he was even talking about the destruction of the base and how the Normandy IFF will recoup those losses for him

Oh. I guess the dialogue depends on when you do the mission.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Well I certainly think it's well done and superbly executed. I hope all future Major DLC's are of this quality.

[DrAnaconda]

So I romanced Liara in ME1. Then romanced Tali in Mass Effect 2. Then romanced Liara again in LOTSB post suicide-mission. Didn't really mean to say I wanted kids, but I'm all for juggling two romances at once. Liara mentioned something earlier in the DLC about Shepard wanting to get under Tali's visor. But aside from that, I didn't see any other options to discuss the Tali situation. When I invited her up to the ship for drinks, she didn't ask me about Tali at all like I'm hearing she does for others. Like I said, I'd be happy to juggle both, but I wish I'd been given the option to discuss the Tali situation.

Modifié par DrAnaconda, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[UltraBoy360]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Have you guys seen the video with Jacob and Miranda in Lazarus? I'm not sure what I think of that one...

And that video of "Councilor" Anderson shooting the krogan. Really?!

There seems to be three rounds at the moment. Does anyone know if they are planning to update them regularly. It's like each one is telling a mini-story. I think they're brilliant. Hard to know when they take place though.

So Anderson meeting a Cerberus agent/informer - he's wearing his Councillor uniform. In the shootout with the Krogan and Salarian, he's in is ME1 Alliance uniform. Could that video be set after the events of Retribution?

[Driveninhifi]

krimesh wrote...

jarad926 wrote...
I'm not talking about an extension to the dlc or even a dialogue tree option. All I'm saying is "Thanks for coming by" just sounds too impersonnal for two people that have been through so much together over the last 2 games, even from a non-LI perspective.

Kinda tricky. What should the Shadow Broker say to her LI, who saved her and all sapient life in the galaxy several times upon meeting him/her again without anything "special" actually having happened since their last meeting? I can see why they stuck with "Thanks for coming by." The real question is: what else could she say?

Basically, I think you have to stop adding content at some point, heh.
It seems anticlimactic, sure, but these are two people with jobs. Liara has her hands more than full with trying to figure out the Shadow Broker's network. She even talks about how overwhelming it is. Shepard has to save the galaxy, etc. 

So while I agree that in the LI case they probably would want a little together time, it's not unbelievable that they'd just check in with each other, then get back to work. I think they both realize that while their relationship is important to both of them, there are far larger issues at hand (especially since any doubts about their relationship has been resolved by now).

On the paragon/renegade thing: she does say she would have to adapt the network over time. It's not like she can make any major changes immediately, or people would get suspicious. It would be interesting to let Shepard influence how she handles it - she could ask Shepard what he/she thinks about certain things and the overall network becomes more paragon or renegade as a result.

[UltraBoy360]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I don't see why anyone would do this post SM anymore. The sheer fact that it has 2 research upgrades (heavy pistol damage and damage protection) and AT VERY LEAST 4 extras from the terminal right next to Liara (Assault Rifle Damage (Yes Assault Rifles can now get 7/7 damage upgrades) SMG Damage, Shotgun Damage and Sniper Rifle damage). I honestly question why anyone would really WANT to wait for post Suicide Mission to do this when starting a new game.

There could be even more upgrades from that Terminal she stands next to, I'll continue to check (I do this by saving on the Normandy, checking the terminal, then reloading a save if there is no research upgrade. Using that method you could get all 4 upgrades by completeing 4 missions after this one is over).

I know the Dialog is weighted towards Post Suicide Mission. But honestly I think it just makes more sense to do it beforehand.

Great DLC. I hope every DLC and ME 3 can live up to the standard this one set. This has been my favorite ME 2 experience.

From a meta-gaming/resources perspective it definitely makes sense before the SM. I don't think I will ever do it then though. I was just about OK to add Kasumi and Firewalker into my main 'canon' playthrough - but LotSB is such a gamechanger that to add it in now seems off to me.

Also - I love that unlike ME1, the story can continue post end game. I'm in love with the idea of bridging content. I think from a story-arc perspective that post SM works best. I tell TIM to bite me and then am pretty much left resources-less until Liara and the Lair come up - now I'm pretty much working for myself and no longer need Cerberus, the Alliance or the Council.

I agree about the best ME2 experience though. For sheer engagement with the game, it's on a par for me with the Suicide Mission and Normandy Reborn bits of the main game.

[Fiery Phoenix]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Have you guys seen the video with Jacob and Miranda in Lazarus? I'm not sure what I think of that one...

And that video of "Councilor" Anderson shooting the krogan. Really?!

There seems to be three rounds at the moment. Does anyone know if they are planning to update them regularly. It's like each one is telling a mini-story. I think they're brilliant. Hard to know when they take place though.

So Anderson meeting a Cerberus agent/informer - he's wearing his Councillor uniform. In the shootout with the Krogan and Salarian, he's in is ME1 Alliance uniform. Could that video be set after the events of Retribution?

I honestly don't think any of those videos are post-Retribution. They shouldn't be anyway. In addition, I would also like to know if the videos are going to be updated and we get a fourth set of them.

[Ayanamifan]

I was a bit disappointed, to tell the truth.

It didn't feel done to me, I suppose. A few of the animations seemed odd and I really, really, really hated despite the fact I brought Garrus and Tali with me, they had absolutely no interaction with Liara - at all. I mean .. at all. All 4 of us, original team mates from ME1, been through hell together, but neither Garrus or Tali say ANYTHING at ALL? I take that back. Tali said something in her language when the building blew up, but I'm sure its taken from some other point in the game and just copy/pasted the voice work there. It's not horrible, I suppose, but it seemed pretty lame to me. In fact - the ONLY 'person' who acknowledged the existence of my other team mates was the Shadow Broker when he recognized 'Arc Angel' and mentioned his bounty was not yet collected. I was really, really impressed with this - only to be immediately disappointed when Garrus just .. pounded his chest like a thug? I mean ... what?

I guess my issue with it is that it didn't feel like it mattered at all who I brought along with me. I understand the 'point' of this DLC was to extend the story of the Shadow Broker and allow for some sort of relationship to ... I'm not sure if 'continue' is the right word here, but it seemed like my Shepard was under the impression they were an item again.

The majority of the time, I felt like I was just running down hallways that had 3-5 enemies tossed in there every other connection to keep the action up. It felt a little boring to me, honestly. The part after the car chase when she crashed and calls for back up ... they just pop out of the sky and just .. keep coming, one after another in their own little trucks or what ever, soon as you clear the last set of enemies. It felt like they just said .. well, we need some guys here to extend the time played ... uh .. copy/paste, paste, paste, paste, paste.

Speaking of the 'car chase' ... it felt pretty poorly done. It felt completely unnecessary to me and like there was no point to it at all. I feel like it would have had more emotion and tied in to the game better if the whole thing was just a cut scene. I died immediately in the very beginning because I was actually trying to fly the stupid car and chase her down. As soon as it started, I crashed into that large ship on the right and got delayed that she got away. I was trying to fly over the stupid thing and the game wouldn't let me. Once I understood this, I started again and just held the space button down. It was so trivial that I never needed to remove it once. Sure, I 'crashed' once or twice, but even that didn't seem to matter. Just a slight delay and I was right back in the trunk of the other car. It just felt really tacked on, despite the amount of work that obviously went in to it. Visually, it was well done and I enjoyed that part. It just felt really ... really ... bad ...

The last fight with the Shadow Broker was disappointing to me. The fight with the Asari was harder, only because she was zipping around all over the place and had a hard time keeping up. The SB? Eh, he just walks around shooting into my cover. The only reason I died the first time I fought him was because the game, for what ever reason, thought I needed to climb the console over by the stairs and got stuck, unable to get down and move into cover. It feels like a regular Krogen would have posed more of a threat - at least they charge you.

Exploring the area after its all said and done was decent. I liked that there were several different types of 'information' to be exploited. It fit the theme well.

I guess in short, what I am trying to say is that it felt like tacked on content (which it was), rather than a cohesive part of the original ME2 story (which it should have felt like, imo).

Overall, it was enjoyable and I'm not trying to say I did not enjoy any of it. I enjoyed their banter during the fight before entering the SB's ship, I enjoyed the emotion that was in the final scene on the normandy. I really enjoyed the voice acting between my female Shepard and Liara (sorry, I can't stand the male voice actor). Both are great actors and bring a lot to that scene. I really, really want to say that scene alone was worth the price, because, in the end - it's all I really cared about in this DLC ... but, I can't. $10 isn't a lot, but it's not cheap either for what was given. I guess I just wish it had a more 'epic' feeling like the original ME2, rather than the 'tacked on' feeling I got out of it.

I don't regret it, but in the same breath, would not recommend it to anyone that did not play ME1, didn't have Liara as a relationship in the first or didn't want to know more of the lore of the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Ayanamifan, 09 septembre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Nerevar-as]

Another point for going preSM is that Liara stays behind because she is doing something that will help in the future and that now only she can do instead of completely obsessed about avenging Shepard and Feron. I´ll probably play it after Collector Ship for my other Shepards. The weapon specialization/upgrade helped here a lot.

[Litos456]

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

[UltraBoy360]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Have you guys seen the video with Jacob and Miranda in Lazarus? I'm not sure what I think of that one...

And that video of "Councilor" Anderson shooting the krogan. Really?!

There seems to be three rounds at the moment. Does anyone know if they are planning to update them regularly. It's like each one is telling a mini-story. I think they're brilliant. Hard to know when they take place though.

So Anderson meeting a Cerberus agent/informer - he's wearing his Councillor uniform. In the shootout with the Krogan and Salarian, he's in is ME1 Alliance uniform. Could that video be set after the events of Retribution?

I honestly don't think any of those videos are post-Retribution. They shouldn't be anyway. In addition, I would also like to know if the videos are going to be updated and we get a fourth set of them.

You're probably right, but I remember Retribution was very soon after the end of ME2. Obviously some of the files (squadmates) are archives, but couldn't some of them be from feeds that are current? Aria, Udina, Anderson, Baily all could be 'now'.

Is there a thread for discussing the videos? I haven't seen one, and like you, they're one of my favourite bits of the DLC.

[Ayanamifan]

Litos456 wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

What a compelling argument.  You have swayed me.  I denounce everything I said and this is the best DLC in the history of man kind.  Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with your astounding debate skills.

[Ferocious7]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Another point for going preSM is that Liara stays behind because she is doing something that will help in the future and that now only she can do instead of completely obsessed about avenging Shepard and Feron. I´ll probably play it after Collector Ship for my other Shepards. The weapon specialization/upgrade helped here a lot.

The Shadowbroker makes a reference to being able to salvage the collector's base if you destroyed it.  So it could really work either way.  I also like the comment he made about Grunt although it would've been nice to see Grunt headbutt him because Grunt > Shadowbroker who talked all that smack!  lol

[Sique Foque]

Ayanamifan wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

What a compelling argument.  You have swayed me.  I denounce everything I said and this is the best DLC in the history of man kind.  Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with your astounding debate skills.

Given the fact that you don't really give reasons for your disappointment ("this felt bad, that felt bad") - despite the length of your post - I think the response was quite appropriate.

Why did this or that felt bad, what exactly didn't you like? You should at least try to get some arguments together.

[DigitalMaster37]

Sique Foque wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

What a compelling argument.  You have swayed me.  I denounce everything I said and this is the best DLC in the history of man kind.  Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with your astounding debate skills.

Given the fact that you don't really give reasons for your disappointment ("this felt bad, that felt bad") - despite the length of your post - I think the response was quite appropriate.

Why did this or that felt bad, what exactly didn't you like? You should at least try to get some arguments together.

(*snip* previous statements) - I rather keep my statements to myself... don't mind me.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[DashRunner92]

So now that Liara is the Shadow Broker, I'm guessing she's not going to be a party member in ME3. I'm guessing she's going to be commanding and helping you against the Reapers, pretty much what TIM was doing in ME2.

[Ayanamifan]

Sique Foque wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

What a compelling argument.  You have swayed me.  I denounce everything I said and this is the best DLC in the history of man kind.  Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with your astounding debate skills.

Given the fact that you don't really give reasons for your disappointment ("this felt bad, that felt bad") - despite the length of your post - I think the response was quite appropriate.

Why did this or that felt bad, what exactly didn't you like? You should at least try to get some arguments together.

I'm sorry,  I am confused why you are saying this, other than to try an invalidate what I said just because I used the term "I felt.." several times.  I went back and read over it all.  Every time I said "I felt" or "it felt" I gave very clear examples as to why it felt that way.  The only exception I could see would be at the end of my issue with the 'car chase' where I said it "just felt really ... really ... bad ..." - which was more of a recap of what I had previously stated at the beginning, which I had brought up examples of why I had felt that way.

Can you point out specifically parts that I am unclear about?  I would be happy to expand further.

[didymos1120]

TomY90 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

The dialogue didn't seem to be post suicide mission. The shadow broker mentioned the collectors as if they still had a bounty out on Shephard. If the collectors and their base were destroyed the SB would know about it.

one mine he was he was even talking about the destruction of the base and how the Normandy IFF will recoup those losses for him

And if you kept it, that line will change to him gloating about taking over the entire, intact facility.

[Ayanamifan]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

Ayanamifan wrote...
*huge post*

No.

What a compelling argument.  You have swayed me.  I denounce everything I said and this is the best DLC in the history of man kind.  Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with your astounding debate skills.

Given the fact that you don't really give reasons for your disappointment ("this felt bad, that felt bad") - despite the length of your post - I think the response was quite appropriate.

Why did this or that felt bad, what exactly didn't you like? You should at least try to get some arguments together.

Thanks Sique Foque, that sums it up perfectly. I hate it when haters try to start foolishness all the while only making themselves look like large... hind-parts

If you want someone to argue with you, then you need to first make a coherent logical statement so that there can be an argument. WHen you post things like, I didn't like this or that without logic that other people can consider, then you are pretty much just throwing your opinion and at this point, there are a few butthurt people lingering as a result of the epic attention Liara and this DLC is getting. So if anyone is angry about this DLC because it features Liara or something else you don't like then either talk about it using your brain or just sit in a corner and sulk until you feel better. If you want me to choose for you, then I  prefer option 2.

Whoa.

I'm not sure where this is coming from ...  You seem to be under the impression that I'm just attacking the DLC because I have nothing better to do with my time or that I just hit your kid or something.  Am I not entitled to my own opinion that happens to be different than yours?  Did I some how not enjoy ME2 as much as you?

Did I state that my comment was anything other than my opinion or what I felt was wrong with it and why?  I fail to see how I failed to use any logic in my post.  I went through several rewrites of it, trying to make it sound as coherent and logical as possible and tried my best to avoid "herp-a-derp I thought it sucked."  In one breath, the few that have responded in anyway seem to criticize both the length of my post and that I'm not explaining why I don't like things ... I ... can't understand how that conclusion is possible.

Did any one actually read past the first line and can tell me how the post doesn't make any sort of sense?  If someone wants to prove that I just am not entitled to my opinion about what I didn't like about the DLC and wants to show examples of what in my post doesn't make sense, I would be happy to try to explain it in a different way.

Though, I am under the impression you have no interest in a discussion, but would rather thump your chest and make really threatening displays of aggression.

[DigitalMaster37]

Ayanamifan wrote...

Whoa.

I'm not sure where this is coming from ...  You seem to be under the impression that I'm just attacking the DLC because I have nothing better to do with my time or that I just hit your kid or something.  Am I not entitled to my own opinion that happens to be different than yours?  Did I some how not enjoy ME2 as much as you?

Did I state that my comment was anything other than my opinion or what I felt was wrong with it and why?  I fail to see how I failed to use any logic in my post.  I went through several rewrites of it, trying to make it sound as coherent and logical as possible and tried my best to avoid "herp-a-derp I thought it sucked."  In one breath, the few that have responded in anyway seem to criticize both the length of my post and that I'm not explaining why I don't like things ... I ... can't understand how that conclusion is possible.

Did any one actually read past the first line and can tell me how the post doesn't make any sort of sense?  If someone wants to prove that I just am not entitled to my opinion about what I didn't like about the DLC and wants to show examples of what in my post doesn't make sense, I would be happy to try to explain it in a different way.

Though, I am under the impression you have no interest in a discussion, but would rather thump your chest and make really threatening displays of aggression.

That is precisely why I deleted my post, because I wanted to avoid this although I still stand by every single word I said. The truth is, I did read your post and I still come to the same conclusion, but like you said, you have a right to your opinion and I commend you for that, but don't try to bait us into arguing with you, when you simply gave your opinion that lacked substance to preoduce a rebuttal. good day.

[XX55XX]

I loved this DLC. The dialogue was well-written and deeply moving. Particualarly towards the end, with all those paragon interrupts. The voice actress for Liara did a much better job this time around, too. Bascially, this DLC made me love Liara again (I was a big fan of her in the first game) and I am also glad that Liara has demonstrated a degree of character development. Shepard and Liara sound like a bunch of ex's bickering with one another, especially during the hotel scene.

However, I do share some concerns of the previous poster. The lack of dialogue between Liara, Garrus and Tali was especially disappointing. The car-chase mini-game was also unncessary and could have been reduced to a cutscene.