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[BurningArmor]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

BurningArmor wrote...

  While I was sad to find out for sure that Liara would not be coming back as a ship mate and LI in ME3, I am delighted to see that some of my lack of recon issues and lack of intel issues that I had  with Cerberus stand a chance of being answered.  I made it a point to remain Liara's friend. 

I think it's pretty obvious that Liara WILL be returning as an LI in ME3.

Maybe an LI, but I've never seen that kind of thing work out long distance.  Add to that, she makes every effort let Shepard know she is not really interested in re-started what was lost 2 years earlier.  She was just happy to get both Shepard and Faron back.  Secat was the real looser here.

[Knightstar2001]

With all this talk about how sure everyone is that Liara will not be a squad member in ME3, does anyone actually know for sure who from ME and ME2 is confirmed to be a squad mate? While I think that there are good odds for Laira to be a crew member(Between Feron and the drone,She might not have to be on the SB's ship to run the network), She is worth more in her new role then as a squad member. But this DLC does make me look forward to the other DLC that will bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

[Mark B]

Valkyrie Miu wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...

Sorry if this has been addressed already in this huge thread: On one of the Shadow Broker's video files is one of Capt. Anderson talking to some guy on the Citadel. Who is he?

In my opinion, the video shows that just like Cerberus and the Shadow Broker have agents in all sorts of organizations, Anderson also has someone spying on Cerberus from the inside. That was a not so secret meeting between him and his informant.

Sorry, but somebody needs to work on their spycraft. 
Rule 1, when meeting your contact, arrange said meeting in the most open, well lit location available, the promenade of the presidium would appear ideal.
Rule 2, make sure to have a pre arrange way of identifying your contact and yourself, carnations in your button holes are ideal, however if there is a lack of florists, wearing your full dress uniform is a simple alternative.

[archurban]

in this time, we don't know for sure because she is new shadow broker now, need that ship, the whole operation all the time in order to defeat reapers in ME 3. of course, she would join certain battle and final boss fight possibly. joining as squad member for ME 3 is suddenly question. before shadow broker, we were all sure that she would be joined after that. but it seems not. we will see.

[JamieCOTC]

BurningArmor wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

BurningArmor wrote...

  While I was sad to find out for sure that Liara would not be coming back as a ship mate and LI in ME3, I am delighted to see that some of my lack of recon issues and lack of intel issues that I had  with Cerberus stand a chance of being answered.  I made it a point to remain Liara's friend. 

I think it's pretty obvious that Liara WILL be returning as an LI in ME3.

Maybe an LI, but I've never seen that kind of thing work out long distance.  Add to that, she makes every effort let Shepard know she is not really interested in re-started what was lost 2 years earlier.  She was just happy to get both Shepard and Faron back.  Secat was the real looser here.

She does push Shep away during the mission and right after the SB fight, things get a little complicated.  On the Normandy, however, I got the impression that Liara wanted nothing more than to be w/ Shep.  She was just afraid that Shep could die again.  After that however, I got the felling that although it would be a challange, the two were officially a couple w/ lots of little blue children in their furture. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

If you do the paragon interrupt right after the Broker fight, she doesn't push you away at all. In fact from there on forward she's pretty much going for it. The reason she wasn't all on shepard about it was not only because she mourned him for 2 years, but that she didn't want to put "pressure" on him. And then the fact that she's worried he might not come back, Omega 4 relay or Reapers, but once you reassure her she comes around.



I found it more satisfying to play pre suicide mission than post. Just got finished doing my second run through of the DLC right after Horizon. I don't know why they said that the dialogue is "weighted" towards post suicide mission playthroughs. Hopefully the next bridging DLC will be strictly post suicide mission



-Polite

[Thorn Harvestar]

BurningArmor wrote...

Maybe an LI, but I've never seen that kind of thing work out long distance.  Add to that, she makes every effort let Shepard know she is not really interested in re-started what was lost 2 years earlier.  She was just happy to get both Shepard and Faron back.  Secat was the real looser here.

If you notice, she says the reason she is hesitant after it being two years is that she didn't want to put pressure on Shepard.

I took that as, she wanted to be with Shepard, but she didn't know if Shepard really felt the same way after 2 years apart. 

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:31 .

[sh4deinc]

sh4deinc wrote...

Hey guys i'd just like to refer you to the Playthrough I told some of you i'd be making.  I spent a good 14 hours in these LOTSB threads yesterday with ya'll, hope you enjoy it.

www.youtube.com/watch

Playthrough is Male Renegade and full HD.

Just going to bump this up for those who have not seen this perspective yet.  Enjoy.

[ODST 3]

Holy ****, I'm finishing it right now. SOOOO Good!



I love the writing, the emotional interactions, the new Liara. Please give us more DLC like THIS!

[Jeff Turner]

the Best DLC yet!!! The action is pacey and sharp with some funny NPC dialogue and that's it GFs, ur all history Liara and I are an item again BOOYAHH!!!



Keep up the good work Bio :]

[Larask]

Dallas118 wrote...

Two things bother me in this dlc:
the first one is Liara remaining in that stupid base. I have lost her for the second time...
I don't need a Batcave with Liara as my "Oracle". I just want to detonate it like the Collector's one and go away with her.
The second one is the true identity of the Broker... The super uber mega crime lord leader was just... a random gears of war stylish monster... meh.<_<

Same here, I was hoping that the SB would be a more epic character. However I do love what Liara says about him right before the battle. It shows how smart she is

[Jeff Turner]

One you've been blue you'll be sticky like glue ^^

[Knightstar2001]

So according to the review by IGN,this DLC will actually have some impact on your ME3 import? I wonder how it will change the game, will Liara still be trying to find the Shadow Broker if you didn't complete the DLC and how will that affect the game.. I look forward to seeing what effect this DLC has.

[Mark B]

Knightstar2001 wrote...

So according to the review by IGN,this DLC will actually have some impact on your ME3 import? I wonder how it will change the game, will Liara still be trying to find the Shadow Broker if you didn't complete the DLC and how will that affect the game.. I look forward to seeing what effect this DLC has.

I think it more likely that a set outcome for off screen events would be that she found him and managed to get him, but Feron died.  This seemed to be the way of things for non-ME1 characters, where the things happened but generally everyone who could die, did (assume it cuts down on the number of conversation options that must be included within the game).

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Mark B wrote...

Knightstar2001 wrote...

So according to the review by IGN,this DLC will actually have some impact on your ME3 import? I wonder how it will change the game, will Liara still be trying to find the Shadow Broker if you didn't complete the DLC and how will that affect the game.. I look forward to seeing what effect this DLC has.

I think it more likely that a set outcome for off screen events would be that she found him and managed to get him, but Feron died.  This seemed to be the way of things for non-ME1 characters, where the things happened but generally everyone who could die, did (assume it cuts down on the number of conversation options that must be included within the game).

Default ME2 Shep from what most people have presumed took all the middle right to bottom right choices, but they also recruited everyone possible, hence why Wrex got shot on Virmire. The thing is, we're talking about an actual player that made the choices. In ME there was basically the option to not bother recruiting Wrex. The outcome of this in ME2 was that he was still dead. But it alters the conversation with Wreav because Wrex didn't die on Virmire (the general assumption is that Wrex remained a bounty hunter and just got killed on a job).

I have been wondering how 'not recruiting'/'not doing Liara's missions' will affect the characters going into ME3. My main Renegade FemShep didn't like either Liara or Tali in ME (didn't want to recruit either but was forced to). So in ME2 when given the chance to not recruit Tali (thanks to her being in the latter batch of recruits) and not bother helping Liara (players could technically avoid her altogether if wanted, albeit at loss of Thane and Samara/Morinth too) I decided it was what she would do. She won't be doing the DLC either as am intrigued as to how it will play out if he is left alive going into ME3.

I can't see them having it that Liara went and stopped him all by herself. Just as I can't see Tali having escaped Haestrom all on her own.

[Mark B]

Sir Ulrich, I see your points on the default ME2 Shep; and would be interested in the outcomes of not seeing Liara (Quick question here: does this mean no Viper?) and leaving Tali.



I think the SB outcome has assumed (to many people) a significance to ME3 that may or may not play out. With this in mind, together with the other decisions that could/should have a major impact (Rachni queen sprinds to mind), I think ME3 is going to have to be a masterpiece of planning (and 3 disks) just so some people don't feel cheated by some things not having made any difference.

[f1r3storm]

Knightstar2001 wrote...

With all this talk about how sure everyone is that Liara will not be a squad member in ME3, does anyone actually know for sure who from ME and ME2 is confirmed to be a squad mate? While I think that there are good odds for Laira to be a crew member(Between Feron and the drone,She might not have to be on the SB's ship to run the network), She is worth more in her new role then as a squad member. But this DLC does make me look forward to the other DLC that will bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

We don't even know how much time will pass between ME2 and 3.

Wasn't Feron said to be an excellent information trader? I'm sure he could take over Liaras position if she decides to go back to Shepards team. Maybe she even finds something that helps fighting the reapers with the Shadow Brokers massive network.

[8T8]

Mass Effect 3 is the Final in Shepards story arc, As Trilogy endings go, All cards are on the table, I Would be Super Suprised if The LI's Didnt have Squad mate or companion time in Mass Effect 3, Just trust in the Developers.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

There's really no reason Liara couldn't operate the Shadow Broker network from the Normandy. A quantum entanglement communicator is apparently powerful enough to carry 3D holographs, so I'm sure with her new found position she could obtain one and link it to the Normandy so she could work via telepresence.



That, and hooking up EDI to the Shadow Broker network would be incredibly useful.

[didymos1120]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

There's really no reason Liara couldn't operate the Shadow Broker network from the Normandy. A quantum entanglement communicator is apparently powerful enough to carry 3D holographs, so I'm sure with her new found position she could obtain one and link it to the Normandy so she could work via telepresence.

That just a tad less bandwidth intensive than the scads and scads and scads of data flowing into the Shadow Broker's hands pretty much every single second.  Just a tad.

As far as the holograms, they're obviously not the best quality.  It's even quite possible most of the hologram data is just tossed out before transmission and computers on either end just construct the image based on local archives and some minimal hints about limb position and facial expression coming down the "wire".  Hell, even the voice could be largely reconstructed.  They just don't tell us enough to say what it can really handle as far as bandwidth goes.  All we know is that it's considered limited in comparison to standard means of communication. Still, that's enough.

But, here's the real killer:  it's a permanent, point-to-point link.  You can't talk to anybody other than TIM with the thing.  You'd have to install a new QEC for every single person you wanted to give access to.  The Broker likely has thousands of agents and regular freelancers at minimum.  That's...impractical, to say the least.

So, yeah, I'd go so far as to say there's just about every reason Liara couldn't operate the network from the Normandy.  It's simply not designed expressly for the task, and the Lair was.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:02 .

[Raoune]

Absolutely SUPERB DLC. Loved the way my FemShep leaving Liara for Garrus was handled. It was a really "realistic" exploration of the mutual sadness when a relationship like that ends.



Also it seemed a really good length, and a fun challenge. Absolutely top notch.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

f1r3storm wrote...

Knightstar2001 wrote...

With all this talk about how sure everyone is that Liara will not be a squad member in ME3, does anyone actually know for sure who from ME and ME2 is confirmed to be a squad mate? While I think that there are good odds for Laira to be a crew member(Between Feron and the drone,She might not have to be on the SB's ship to run the network), She is worth more in her new role then as a squad member. But this DLC does make me look forward to the other DLC that will bridge the gap between ME2 and ME3.

We don't even know how much time will pass between ME2 and 3.

Wasn't Feron said to be an excellent information trader? I'm sure he could take over Liaras position if she decides to go back to Shepards team. Maybe she even finds something that helps fighting the reapers with the Shadow Brokers massive network.

With a drell's perfect memory, he'd probably be a good fit as the Shadow Broker.  I can also see the Reapers finding the ship at some point and Shepard rushing to the rescue, with Liara being available as a squadmate from then on.

[Big I]

I loved this DLC. It is one, one of the best quests in the game (great story, character interaction, and action sequences), and two, everything I wanted out of the continuation of Liara's story. Amazing.

[aDuck]

Great dlc... just finished now.



Looking at the vids though, i saw gavon not with a man in a room, but instead headshotting a vorcha and grenading the other. I'm assuming that most of the videos change depending on choices made in the games.



But fantastic work bio really enjoyed it

[Darth_Trethon]

aDuck wrote...

Great dlc... just finished now.

Looking at the vids though, i saw gavon not with a man in a room, but instead headshotting a vorcha and grenading the other. I'm assuming that most of the videos change depending on choices made in the games.

But fantastic work bio really enjoyed it

No they don't change. I did this DLC post-sm and then in a new playthrough pre-sm and all the videos popped up identically. I had Udina slandered and forced ino retirement first but when I went to meet with the council and anderson he still showed up and everything played out just like before. So some of the videos and things you can do at the shadow broker's center just sort of assume you've already done certain things and will not impact them if you haven't.