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[C Butler]

I prepurchased the collector's edition through steam for the sole purpose that this game is suppose to live up to same standard as the two Baldur's Gate Games.
Yes, we have Bioware…
But the other developers, Black Isle are no longer even a company.
They became Obsidian Entertainment and another group because of some purchasing thing.
Interplay was involved, maybe some EA. Not really sure.

Long story short is I am going to be incredibly disappointed if this game just puts a shame on the Baldur's gate series's name. Because it's happened before.

Remember Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance?
Remember the UNECESSARILY sequel to that Vanilla hack and slash?

Completely shamed the series name. The only reason it was named that was to pull at the heart strings of some old gamers who spent years of their life walking a single character through baldur's gate one and two with a single character.


That single character which was promised to be imported into NWN, but never could be.
Another empty promise.
I understand why, with the change in the D&D editions, but a empty promise nevertheless.

So here is me.
A old gamer who loved the game series that DAO is suppose to pay homage to.

So let us raise our glasses and in our prayers tonight, hope that this time they follow through.
And that this time  the Baldur's Gate name, the title which is associated with DOA, the association that has drawn me and my friends to preorder this game and count down the days, that this time WE WILL NOT BE LET DOWN!

HERE HERE!

[Korruptted]

Hey..I liked Dark Alliance..

[AClockworkMelon]

Dragon Age seems to follow in the same vein as KOTOR and ME, I don't think it's 'leeching off of Baldur's Gate' as much as you think.

As for Dark Alliance... >.> Maybe it's just because I was younger when I first played it, but playing that game side by side with a friend was hella fun.

Edit: Was ninja'd by Korruptted. And I agree with him. :3

Modifié par AClockworkMelon, 24 octobre 2009 - 03:23 .

[C Butler]

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Dragon Age seems to follow in the same vein as KOTOR and ME, I don't think it's 'leeching off of Baldur's Gate' as much as you think.

As for Dark Alliance... >.> Maybe it's just because I was younger when I first played it, but playing that game side by side with a friend was hella fun.

Edit: Was ninja'd by Korruptted. And I agree with him. :3

Well if  you were young when you played BG:DA then the real deal, the PC Series, is before your time.
I've seen multiple instances of DAO trying to ride on the epic PC series coat tails.
Honestly, if you liked BG:DA, you have no idea what is in a good RPG.
Get on a PC. Find a old copy of BG or BG II and then come back and post.

I just don't want to be let down.

[Mikhos]

"Dragon Age: Origins is being billed by publisher EA and developer BioWare as a spiritual successor to the studio's beloved Baldur's Gate games."



They should probably change the game's image if it's not going to be _anything_ like Baldur's Gate, or else there really will be more upset fanboys who will never take anything that even _mentions_ Baldur's Gate seriously.

[LaztRezort]

Personally, I'm going to rate DA:O on its own merits, not filtered through nostalgia from some old game I half-remember from the 'good old days.'  At least, that's what I'll try to do.  I do have very fond memories of BG, but I'd like to think I would still be excited for DA even if I'd never played the 'spiritual succesors.'

From what I get out of it, the comparison to BG is meant to convey the sense that DA will be an RPG more akin those old school type of games.  I'm sure marketing plays into it, but for me it's just icing on the cake, because I enjoy that type of gameplay.

Until proven wrong, my assumption will be that I'll like this game, not because it's "Baldur's Gate 3," but because it looks good from what I've seen, and I've enjoyed many Bioware games in the past.

[Mikhos]

I agree, Lazt.



Mass Effect was great, and epic.



Jade Empire wasn't bad for what it did.



NWN was lame, but we all know it wasn't made for single player.



So, even if it isn't like BG at all, it won't necessarily be a bad game. It's just attracting people for the reason that BG was so good.



Which, as it seems, this game needs to be considered standalone, so we can rate it on what it is, not what we expect from the epics of yore.

[Sheylan]

Mikhos wrote...

I agree, Lazt.

Mass Effect was great, and epic.

Jade Empire wasn't bad for what it did.

NWN was lame, but we all know it wasn't made for single player.

So, even if it isn't like BG at all, it won't necessarily be a bad game. It's just attracting people for the reason that BG was so good.

Which, as it seems, this game needs to be considered standalone, so we can rate it on what it is, not what we expect from the epics of yore.

I actualy liked Jade Empire hella more than Mass Effect. It seemed to have a much richer game worled, a rather less cliched storyline, and more interesting characters.

[C Butler]

They have the same head writer from BG.

They're not fooling anyone.



They want their glory days back.

Just, you know, it's 10 years later and have big brother EA breathing down their necks and looking over their shoulder.



We'll see how well it works.

As a standalone or as a "spiritual predecessor" to BG.

I'm hoping more for the latter.

[Dennis Carpenter]

If anyone her has gone over to greywardens.com and actually browsed around through the various IN GAME videos they will see it is very much like the predecessors it proposes to be and yes I am old enough to remember them hell I actually remember Wizards Crown on a floppy from my C64.pleas take the time to view this stuff. As for the storyline on NWN yes I was disappointed they did not continue it from 1 to 2 or allow you to upload your character but the fan generated content was some of the best I have seen and that was worth every penny I spent on it.

[Draconus Kahn]

I don't think I've ever seen BioWare rest on it's luarels...

Maybe some of you weren't huge fans of the other IP's, but that's neither here nor there.
This game promises to be the bread and butter rpg that we all have craved since the glory days of rpg's (yes I have played BG/BGII). From the videos, and every preview of the game I could get my hands on to this point, I don't see anything else. Some of you sound as if you haven't seen the massive 20min video from Giant Bomb or w/e the name is... Because if you had, I don't think there would be any question in your mind what this game is about.
Will this game feel the same as Baldur's Gate? Probably not... it isn't built on DnD or ADnD. Tell you what though, I don't really give a rat's ass about DnD anymore. I think, if I may be so bold, everyone here wants to be swept off their feet into a fantasy world that is as breath taking as any fantasy novel they might care to read on the subject. I know I do.

If you haven't seen the previews from any of the critics, if you haven't seen the gameplay videos on either PC or consoles, then your fear is wasted. If you have seen them, then I suggest waiting until review time, then buying the game. I personally think that this game will not be Baldur's Gate, and if you want to play that one, DL or purchase that game. I think this game will be every bit a successor to that game as can be made with technology we have right now. I have never been dissappointed with BioWare stories thusfar. With the gameplay footage I have seen, the UI, controls, and game mechanics look like a blast to sit down and play on. My first reaction to the vids was YYEEES! FINALLY!

I know this game will be everything I have been waiting for and more.

Modifié par Draconus Kahn, 24 octobre 2009 - 04:14 .

[Eshaye]

I'd cancel my pre order right now if I were you C Butler. You've totally got the wrong attitude for it and I say that because I've read enough enraged and disappointed fans who pre ordered on a maybe and I hope it's like this ect... And usually it's not exactly what you hoping for. So if you have these doubts and think you'll throw an e-tantrum if the game doesn't match your idea of what it should be, wait until it's out a month or two and look at reviews and see what fans have to say.



I never played Baldur's Gate because I was in college and had a scary old lap top and couldn't afford a computer, however I did attend a presentation by Bioware showing off Baldur's Gate's computer art and listen to their talk about making video games and it's actually one of the reasons I saved money for a pc... ;P I love Bioware in my own way and have yet to be disappointed by any of their titles so far.



In my opinion I think it's better to look at different games in their own light and not throw them under the shadow of the older successes. Also often we remember older games with rose tinted glasses. Though many older games were much deeper then most of what we have today. Hopefully the technological hill we've been climbing in the last 10 years is reaching a plateau and devs can concentrate less on the pretty and more on stories and deep game play.

[Staylost]

BG was my favorite game (well, maybe PST), but I also like Dark Alliance.



They did use the popular name brand, but they made a good game out of it.



BG:DA was a great co-op hack and slash.



Sure, it didn't measure up to BG, but it was made by a different company for a console for a different purpose.



I feel like DA did earn the BG name, just not in the way conservative fans are looking for.

[sidion77]

Honestly be thankful the game is going to be good overall (gameplay/story/graphic wise). Bioware can't please everyone and if doesn't meet the standard your fond memories have created but the rest of the game community gives it a round of applause, then by all means be content, in your malcontent.

[C Butler]

Eshaye wrote...

I'd cancel my pre order right now if I were you C Butler. You've totally got the wrong attitude for it and I say that because I've read enough enraged and disappointed fans who pre ordered on a maybe and I hope it's like this ect... And usually it's not exactly what you hoping for. So if you have these doubts and think you'll throw an e-tantrum if the game doesn't match your idea of what it should be, wait until it's out a month or two and look at reviews and see what fans have to say.

I never played Baldur's Gate because I was in college and had a scary old lap top and couldn't afford a computer, however I did attend a presentation by Bioware showing off Baldur's Gate's computer art and listen to their talk about making video games and it's actually one of the reasons I saved money for a pc... ;P I love Bioware in my own way and have yet to be disappointed by any of their titles so far.

In my opinion I think it's better to look at different games in their own light and not throw them under the shadow of the older successes. Also often we remember older games with rose tinted glasses. Though many older games were much deeper then most of what we have today. Hopefully the technological hill we've been climbing in the last 10 years is reaching a plateau and devs can concentrate less on the pretty and more on stories and deep game play.

I suppose I'll enjoy it either way.
I have seen footage and I have seen gameplay and it does look enjoyable.
I was just venting my frustration with the dangling of the baldur's gate name over our heads and the disappointment that ensues. I'm feeling positive about this though. I'm not canceling my pre-order. I love almost all the bioware games, don't get me wrong.

How the company who made BG:DA got the rights to use the name was beyond me.
It was a completely generic hack and slash, that doesn't stand out in the genre it was made for at all.
If you're looking for that sort of game play you could just play a series that has been out forever, Gauntlet.
There is no need to have tainted the Baldurs Gate name with something so generic and mediocre.
I mean, sure, maybe if it was a epic hack and slash.
But come now. BG:DA and DA II came and went and the only people who will really remember it are the people who were lead on by the name, and severely disappointed.

I'm looking forward to DAO. I'm not looking for a BG sequel. I'm just hoping that they're not throwing around the name for marketing purposes. Bioware doesn't disappoint, so I'm hoping for the best.

I honestly think the game would've benefitted from D&D rules. I feel like that's what gave a lot of stability to Baldur's Gate. That, and the character creation of BG still wins hands down.  It would be nice to be a gnome or a halfling.
Or if a human, something OTHER than a noble. Dwarves can be commoners, you would assume they would grant the same for the other race without two selections. Maybe it's me holding on again to BG/D&D too much.

[Jab0r]

I honestly think the game would've benefitted from D&D rules. I feel like that's what gave a lot of stability to Baldur's Gate.

While I agree that D&D gave a sense of familiarity to the BG rules, I applaud Bioware for branching out into a new rule system here. There's really no reason to keep it based on PnP, which is pretty restricted in that PnP systems are generally required to keep to "math you can do in your head".

Modifié par Jab0r, 24 octobre 2009 - 04:49 .

[soteria]

C Butler wrote...

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Dragon Age seems to follow in the same vein as KOTOR and ME, I don't think it's 'leeching off of Baldur's Gate' as much as you think.

As for Dark Alliance... >.> Maybe it's just because I was younger when I first played it, but playing that game side by side with a friend was hella fun.

Edit: Was ninja'd by Korruptted. And I agree with him. :3

Well if  you were young when you played BG:DA then the real deal, the PC Series, is before your time.
I've seen multiple instances of DAO trying to ride on the epic PC series coat tails.
Honestly, if you liked BG:DA, you have no idea what is in a good RPG.
Get on a PC. Find a old copy of BG or BG II and then come back and post.

I just don't want to be let down.

Wow... what an incredibly arrogant post.  "If anyone likes a certain game that I *didn't* like, then you have no idea what a good RPG is."  Seriously?

[Srikandi715]

Here are some things to remember about ANY TWO VIDEO GAMES... or really any two THINGS... A and B... that you want to compare:

- They will be similar in some ways
- They will be different in some ways
- Some people will think A is better than B
- Some people think B is better than A

There's a special overlay when we're comparing something from the past with something from the present, though. If A was released earlier than B, you were a different person when you experienced A. You were younger. You were happier. You were easier to please. This, I am convinced, is why die-hard fans of a series so often go out of their way to despise later entries in the same series

My point here would be that if you are expecting the same experience you had when you first played BG or BGII, you are deluding yourself. Even if the game was identical, YOU are different. But the game won't be identical, because the developers are different. The ones that are the same guys... are older too, just like you are. And the industry has changed. The competition has changed. And, of course, especially, the tech has changed.

I truly believe that if you expect to enjoy any modern video game, you have to be aware of all that and ready to put it aside and take the new game as it is, in its own terms. Just like a marriage: you change, your spouse changes, you have to love each other for what you are now and not just for what you used to be or you're doomed.

Modifié par Srikandi715, 24 octobre 2009 - 05:14 .

[Icinix]

I believe a game should be judged on it's own merits, trying to follow on from another games success or failures imo is irrelevant.
Even clones of games can add something different or at the very least extend the feeling you get from playing a certain game. My shelves are littered with games that wouldn't be there if I believed they were riding the wave of another success, but I'm glad I got them because I enjoyed something from each another didn't have.
It must be tough for game developers, do you try to keep the game similar to another to appease certain fans, or change it to reach new ones but potentially alienate old fans? Me, I embrace both ideas. Where would Hollywood be if there weren't umpteen bajillion D grade films that someone, somewhere loves completely? Same for games, lets open the flood gates and let every idea, clone, innovation, or similarity come flowing out and let the customers decide what works.

...You know what, I don't even know what I'm on about. I just felt like having a good rant.

Thanks for listening.

Modifié par Icinix, 24 octobre 2009 - 05:19 .

[Korruptted]

Wow C Butler. You really need to cancel your pre-order. I don't want to see your meltdown on the forums when the game decides to be unique and isn't the way YOU think it should be.

[thisisme8]

Well C Butler, I look at it like this:



Every Bioware game has three things in common:

Involved story

"Moral-meter" of some kind

Henchmen

Now, each Bioware game is different as well:

Hack 'n slash

Traditional turn based RPG

FPS

Each game usually involves a different universe:

Fantasy themed universe

Star Wars universe

Asian themed universe

Sci-fi universe

All I think of when I hear "spiritual successor" is that it takes place in a fantasy universe with some sort of DnD rule-set working in some capacity in the background. All that aside, I'm still getting what Bioware has delivered in spades with every game: A rich story that allows me to make the choices that I want in a game that is also just a blast to play!

[AClockworkMelon]

*hi5s his blackup, Soteria*

Get over yourself, Butler.

[Vincent Avatar]

Well, so far the reviews can tentatively be called "rave," and I have yet to meet a Bioware game that I did not like, so bring it on, I say, bring it on.

[Terwox_]

To be honest, although I love Baldur's Gate to bits and pieces, I am glad that DAO looks to be a game in its own right. The key elements will be the story, character cast and gameplay mechanics. If they strike true on those I will be loving this game just as much to bits and pieces regardless.

And considering Bioware's lineup off games that has delivered amazingly in the past. I'm quite sure Dragon Age will follow suit.

Modifié par Terwox_, 24 octobre 2009 - 06:04 .

[danabe]

I have faith in what bioware sais. Untill proven otherwise i will always have.