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[Persephone]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am wondering..... Denerim was on the WH map. Why was it never used? Every other location was used. Did they cut something out to release the DLC ASAP? It feels so unfinished. I was certain that the DLC would continue after I picked up the Dalish book....

Denerim and Lothering are present on the Witch Hunt map simply for flavor text purposes. You can highlight those two locations and bring up the "info" text to get a status update on the state of the town since the Blight. Basically just says they're rebuilding. Lothering's info text makes a reference to people defending fleeing refugees when the darkspawn came, likely referring to the battle that's going to kick off Dragon Age 2.

Ah. Damn. Bioware, you evil TEASE!

[Solaris Paradox]

Persephone wrote...

Something that really bugged me was: There is little to no difference if you betrayed Morrigan re: killing Flemeth in her personal quest. I let Flemeth walk away in exchange for the grimoire. I expected Morri to confront me like only she can. But noooooooooo, not a word!

She doesn't know yet.

[Persephone]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Something that really bugged me was: There is little to no difference if you betrayed Morrigan re: killing Flemeth in her personal quest. I let Flemeth walk away in exchange for the grimoire. I expected Morri to confront me like only she can. But noooooooooo, not a word!

She doesn't know yet.

There is a SLIGHT difference. But Morri's answer remains the same. You can say "Flemeth is dead" if you killed her. If not, you just get a vague response option. Her reaction remains the same though.

[Paperghost]

well, witch hunt was a major letdown.



just a couple of short trawls through recycled locations coupled with "find 4 of this object". barely a mention of morrigan, and after an hour and a half of gametime its done and dusted.



absolutely shocking treatment of the character and the story built up in DA, considering how important morrigan is to the end of the first game, how much oomph her ending can have depending on what you do and the fact she won the "most popular character" on the bioware site by a country mile.



at worst, i'd have expected this to be tied up in a large Awakening style campaign - at best, it could have easily been the main quest for DA2. but as i've mentioned elsewhere, we're now getting major plot points tied up in optional DLC (see: return of a major character in FEAR 3, the shadow broker DLC for mass effect) and now this.



then to top it all off, I discover the endings are bugged and morrigan doesn't recognise choices made depending on where you imported your character from. I guess I got the "bad" ending, such as it was - unfortunately it was awful, both as a "resolution" to the morrigan storyline and as the final piece of content for this game in general.



please, guys - if you produce any DLC for DA2, stick to larger packs. awakening was great, but i'm really struggling to think of any DA DLC that was a worthwhile purchase besides Shale which came with the game anyway.

[DWSmiley]

I need to post this in a couple of threads to get it out of my system...

The good:
• A nice little arc from one of the origin stories.
• An interesting twist to the history of the site of another origin story.

The bad:
• The new npcs are trivial.
• Combat is trivial, as you have access to the overpowered Awakenings talents and spells and there is no enemy remotely as tough as in the Golems DLC. And that was with a character direct from Origins. It would be beyond trivial for a character that completed Awakenings.

The ugly:
• A major npc and plot point are sacrificed to promote DA2. Yes, Morrigan urges you to buy DA2 – not in so many words, of course - and no, you don’t get much else from her. How Bioware could think this will be effective is beyond me. I was neutral in my expectations of DA2 but now I have completely lost trust in Bioware.

EDIT:  I don't think this contains spoilers but I seem to have been locked out of the official discussion thread for posting this there.

Modifié par DWSmiley, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

I just completed this dlc now and had to come straight on here, 58 minutes bioware! Not even an hour!

This was meant to be our wardens closure! How can you justify this? Are you really so in love with your new baby, da2, that uve given such a crappy goodbye to your last one?

LotSB was freaking amazing, how is it its made by the same company? Think of all the random stuff mass effect do just to please us, even letting us dance with a volus. This is the goodbye, it would have meant so much to your fans to have maybe a few catch ups with old companions etc. Maybe even allowing us to hang around fereldan, so we can mod or whatever.

Story was good, the farewell to morrigan was apt, the end scene i didnt get, what was the thing of great importance?

I know its just a game, but im such a massive fan and ive spent hours upon hours of my life on origins, i cant believe that was how i said goodbye to that story!

And 560 points for 58 mins of game time? That kinda sucks in itself! Rant over!

[Maconbar]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

I just completed this dlc now and had to come straight on here, 58 minutes bioware! Not even an hour!

This was meant to be our wardens closure! How can you justify this? Are you really so in love with your new baby, da2, that uve given such a crappy goodbye to your last one?

LotSB was freaking amazing, how is it its made by the same company? Think of all the random stuff mass effect do just to please us, even letting us dance with a volus. This is the goodbye, it would have meant so much to your fans to have maybe a few catch ups with old companions etc. Maybe even allowing us to hang around fereldan, so we can mod or whatever.

Story was good, the farewell to morrigan was apt, the end scene i didnt get, what was the thing of great importance?

I know its just a game, but im such a massive fan and ive spent hours upon hours of my life on origins, i cant believe that was how i said goodbye to that story!

And 560 points for 58 mins of game time? That kinda sucks in itself! Rant over!

I wouldn't think of it as the end of the story then. BW has indicated their intention to create a story arc that extends over a few games and maybe some books. Now we can wonder about how the warden's decision impact the story as it moves forward. I am not convinced that the warden is completely gone from this story arc although it wouldn't surprise me if he/she is done.

[Maconbar]

DWSmiley wrote...

I need to post this in a couple of threads to get it out of my system...

The good:
• A nice little arc from one of the origin stories.
• An interesting twist to the history of the site of another origin story.

The bad:
• The new npcs are trivial.
• Combat is trivial, as you have access to the overpowered Awakenings talents and spells and there is no enemy remotely as tough as in the Golems DLC. And that was with a character direct from Origins. It would be beyond trivial for a character that completed Awakenings.

The ugly:
• A major npc and plot point are sacrificed to promote DA2. Yes, Morrigan urges you to buy DA2 – not in so many words, of course - and no, you don’t get much else from her. How Bioware could think this will be effective is beyond me. I was neutral in my expectations of DA2 but now I have completely lost trust in Bioware.

EDIT:  I don't think this contains spoilers but I seem to have been locked out of the official discussion thread for posting this there.

I am not certain what you mean here. BW has indicated that Morrigan won't be in DA:2 but it seems likely that she will reappear in DA:3 (if it gets made).

[DWSmiley]

Maconbar wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

I need to post this in a couple of threads to get it out of my system...

The good:
• A nice little arc from one of the origin stories.
• An interesting twist to the history of the site of another origin story.

The bad:
• The new npcs are trivial.
• Combat is trivial, as you have access to the overpowered Awakenings talents and spells and there is no enemy remotely as tough as in the Golems DLC. And that was with a character direct from Origins. It would be beyond trivial for a character that completed Awakenings.

The ugly:
• A major npc and plot point are sacrificed to promote DA2. Yes, Morrigan urges you to buy DA2 – not in so many words, of course - and no, you don’t get much else from her. How Bioware could think this will be effective is beyond me. I was neutral in my expectations of DA2 but now I have completely lost trust in Bioware.

EDIT:  I don't think this contains spoilers but I seem to have been locked out of the official discussion thread for posting this there.

I am not certain what you mean here. BW has indicated that Morrigan won't be in DA:2 but it seems likely that she will reappear in DA:3 (if it gets made).

All you learn from Morrigan is the sex of the baby and that Flemeth is the Big Bad.  Flemeth has a major role in DA2, so that's why I take it as a plug to buy DA2.  But upon reflection, I agree that it is far better to have Morrigan and the OGB featured in DA3 than wrapped up in a little DLC.  As you say - if it gets made.  The embers of hope remain...

[NamiraWilhelm]

I would love some totally honest comments from the makers of this dlc, do they think its an apt ending to our wardens story etc. I know its unlikely ...

[Maconbar]

DWSmiley wrote...

All you learn from Morrigan is the sex of the baby and that Flemeth is the Big Bad.  Flemeth has a major role in DA2, so that's why I take it as a plug to buy DA2.  But upon reflection, I agree that it is far better to have Morrigan and the OGB featured in DA3 than wrapped up in a little DLC.  As you say - if it gets made.  The embers of hope remain...

If the Morrigan and OGB/no-OGB doesn't play a role in the overall story of Dragon Age, I would view the ending of WH as terrible storytelling. That's also why I am not sure that the warden's story is over. Having a main character in Act 1 just disappear for the rest of the story is also poor storytelling in most circumstances.

My hope is that Dragon Age becomes an epic fantasy story along the lines of A Song of Ice and Fire. My fear is that like George R. R. Martin and A Dance with Dragons, BW will lose interest in Dragon Age and the story won't get completed.

[Fault Girl]

I was really hoping for some kind of conclusion, given the fact that it's implied last dlc etc. I just sat and stared at the screen when it suddenly cut, I was saddened to say the least.

If i was a male who romanced her I'd give it 10/10 perfect ending, but for anyone else it's just not, argh. i don't know, I just feel cheated, I want a perfect somewhat ending with my LI too.<3

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:14 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I was really hoping for some kind of conclusion, given the fact that it's implied last dlc etc. I just sat and stared at the screen when it suddenly cut, I was saddened to say the least.

If i was a male who romanced her I'd give it 10/10 perfect ending, but for anyone else it's just not, argh. i don't know, I just feel cheated, I want a perfect somewhat ending with my LI too.<3

I know  Would it have been so hard to let me go back to the castle to get some Alistair loving before the end?

[Terra_Ex]

Maconbar wrote...
If the Morrigan and OGB/no-OGB doesn't play a role in the overall story of Dragon Age, I would view the ending of WH as terrible storytelling. That's also why I am not sure that the warden's story is over. Having a main character in Act 1 just disappear for the rest of the story is also poor storytelling in most circumstances.

I concur. Entering the mirror with Morrigan certainly does lend itself to some sort of reappearance for wardens who romanced morrigan, the other two endings could also justifiably bring the warden back into the picture when Morrigan returns. As you say, I just hope they don't waste the opportunity.

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I was really hoping for some kind of
conclusion, given the fact that it's implied last dlc etc. I just sat
and stared at the screen when it suddenly cut, I was saddened to say the
least.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

If
i was a male who romanced her I'd give it 10/10 perfect ending, but for
anyone else it's just not, argh. i don't know, I just feel cheated, I
want a perfect somewhat ending with my LI too.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

Except it's not as "perfect" as it may seem. We know that Morrigan will be back, which presents any number of opportunities for said "perfect" ending to be utterly shattered in DA3 or beyond, so Morrigan fans have that hanging over their heads for the next few years...

[Zy-El]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...
I just completed this dlc now and had to come straight on here, 58 minutes bioware! Not even an hour!

This was meant to be our wardens closure! How can you justify this? Are you really so in love with your new baby, da2, that uve given such a crappy goodbye to your last one?
...
Story was good, the farewell to morrigan was apt, the end scene i didnt get, what was the thing of great importance?

I know its just a game, but im such a massive fan and ive spent hours upon hours of my life on origins, i cant believe that was how i said goodbye to that story!

And 560 points for 58 mins of game time? That kinda sucks in itself! Rant over!

Obviously, you burned through the DLC for no other purpose than to do just that.  It took me 4 hours to complete this DLC reading every bit of new journal entries and stopping every now and again to think about what to do next.  I don't understand who want to rush through their playing experience just for the sake of doing it in as little time as possible. 

There's no prize for doing it fast!     You're only cheating yourself of a more rewarding RPG experience.

I normally take 75 - 80 hours playing through Origins + DLC.  I suspect that someone like you does it in 20 hours or less. 

[Jookal]

simfamSP wrote...

It was good, not what I expected but good. Really, did any of you think that it was going to be HUGE and MASSIVE for 7quid?

HUGE? No. MASSIVE? No. But some new area's (or even just one!), plot lines resolved, more relevant companions? Yes I expect that.  I was disappointed. I played the ME2 DLC just before it and couldn't believe it came from the same company.  Lair of the Shadow Broker is AWESOME!  Witch Hunt was a bit of a squib. For $7 (about £4 for us brits) you can get indie games with twice as much content.

[Paperghost]

Zy-El wrote...

Obviously, you burned through the DLC for no other purpose than to do just that.  It took me 4 hours to complete this DLC reading every bit of new journal entries and stopping every now and again to think about what to do next.  I don't understand who want to rush through their playing experience just for the sake of doing it in as little time as possible. 

There's no prize for doing it fast!     You're only cheating yourself of a more rewarding RPG experience

not at all. took me an hour and a half to complete on hardest difficulty, and the two fetch quest areas are rather small (especially the one that involves grabbing the mirror piece).

the entire content is made up of time filler (if you could call it that) that ultimately has little (if anything) to do with morrigan, or what she's doing, or why she is doing it. you could have filled that hour and a half with absolutely anything you like, and it would still probably not have impacted your meeting with morrigan at the end due to it being so irrelevant.

not to mention the entirely arbitrary boss fight that (again) had nothing to do with morrigan at all, despite the trailer seemingly hinting it did.

terrible, terrible DLC.

and for all of that, half the people playing it can't even see the correct ending due to bugs rendering the whole thing pointless. this should have been a large expansion or even the basis for DA2, not a horribly undercooked mess that comprises about three minutes of morrigan at the end.

three minutes that not only included some of the worst meaningless rambling i've heard in a game (repetition of the word "change" doesn't make what you're saying any more meaningful), it might as well have had Morrigan begging you to preorder the collectors edition of DA2 at the same time before vanishing into the portal.

they could have based the ENTIRE content of this DLC around morrigan and it would have still been an interesting hour and a half even if the payoff wasn't great. but macguffin style fetchquests for a book, bits of mirrors and light that made up the whole package? good lord, what were they thinking...

Modifié par Paperghost, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[DhammaWings]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

And 560 points for 58 mins of game time? That kinda sucks in itself! Rant over!

Took me over 4 hours to complete. But then I tend to take my time and "smell the roses" when I play.

Considering all the various things I could do for $7 entertainment, I think this DLC is definitely worth the cost.

[wildannie]

DhammaWings wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

And 560 points for 58 mins of game time? That kinda sucks in itself! Rant over!

Took me over 4 hours to complete. But then I tend to take my time and "smell the roses" when I play.

Considering all the various things I could do for $7 entertainment, I think this DLC is definitely worth the cost.

I've not played it so can't comment on the DLC (was waiting for reviews... ...I think I'll give it a miss now) but I don't think that comparing DLC with other things you can do for the same price is very valid.

I think that it is the way many of the DAO dlcs have cheapened the original story that really grates...  People are paying money for something that lessens the experience rather than adds to it... that's not good value for money whatever way you look at it.

[Frybread76]

I also found Witch Hunt disappointing. You don't learn anything new, except a little about Flemeth being more than an Abomination.

It just seems like Witch Hunt is a set up for another DLC.

Modifié par Frybread76, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:35 .

[_purifico_]

What is this I don't even...

Compared to the Shadow Broker DLC this is crap. I am a sad sad panda now.

[Revya]

So people do you recomende Shadow broker over this one?

[TJPags]

Persephone wrote...

I am wondering..... Denerim was on the WH map. Why was it never used? Every other location was used. Did they cut something out to release the DLC ASAP? It feels so unfinished. I was certain that the DLC would continue after I picked up the Dalish book....

DId anyone else get Amaranthine on their map?

My first (bugged playthrough) character who burned Amaranthine, there it was on the map, with a skull and cross bones over it, and a text telling me it had burned and wasn't yet rebuilt.
 
My second (non bugged) character had defended Amaranthine, and it wasn't on my map . .  . .

[pudi0072000]

Did anyone else notice that if you play as a mage, you can get a "You're in my light" line to Finn, in reference to the origin... Except in the origin, 'Finn' is actually an elf named Eadric. Why use the damn line if you're going to change the race and name? I'd imagine they were too lazy to even bother looking, and someone just happened to remember that line and thought it would be cute.