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[Stomachkiwi]

um if there is a FAQ on the website about this... Can you please tell me where the question/answer is located or what the question is?

[Maria Caliban]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days now, after starting to get involved in Dragon Age again. Assuming that the list of 9 companions is all, of which 1 is a golem (Shale) and 1 is a dog (Dog), why isn't there a single comely elven lass amongst them?

It's not going to work, Lotion.

Sheryl Chee (BioWare writer) has vowed to make sure no BioWare game ever has a female, elven love interest again.

Stomachkiwi wrote...
um if there is a FAQ on the website about this... Can you please tell me where the question/answer is located or what the question is?

There's no FAQ with the answer to 'is there a female elven love interest?' We know there isn't because the developers have told us this.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2009 - 03:14 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Maria Caliban wrote...
It's not going to work, Lotion.

Sheryl Chee (BioWare writer) has vowed to make sure no BioWare game ever has a female, elven love interest again.

[...]

With that logic, I'm amazed that they're including romances at all. There's a huge backstory for the elves in Dragon Age, but they're deliberately locking roleplayers out of romance options, because they've got a loathing for elves in other settings? By that same logic, why did they add elves to the setting at all? After all, it's been done before. Why, I can think of several games that have elves in them! Inconcievable!

With so much spent on developing the elves, I find it mindbogglingly retarded that they won't cater to roleplayers of such in a supposed roleplaying game. Granted, Bioware haven't been the paragons of roleplaying for many, many years now, but to disregard virtually everyone that want to roleplay a dalish (or alienage, I suppose) elf that support his elven brethren in their plight (a position I am sure is not rare amongst elves) from a part of the game that is essential to so many (not including me - I don't know why they keep bothering with all these romances. I just want it done properly if done at all) is just.. I don't even think I have words for it.

If Bioware want an interactive movie, rather than a roleplaying game, why not just say so from the beginning and restric the number of races to what would be "right" from the storyteller's perspective? They did this in Mass Effect, after all.

A (male) elven player only really have two choices. Betray his people utterly, for whatever reason, or ignore a good chunk of the game. That makes me wonder why they bothered with spending resources on not one or two romance options, but a baffling four.

[Uthenera]

Hipothetically there's a chance if you somehow survive the Blight (like being polite and let Alistair take care of the archdemon or other way) you can go and look for an elven mate 'till you must to part for the Deeproads.

It's true there were elvish grils, but maybe because I'm too young to remember or too old and senile and forgot or both , I don't think that there were any romancable dwarven companion in any game. So when the dwarven lasses and lads are quite good looking why must the poor litle fellows if they up for some romance to look for something like a ladder to reach Morrigan and/or Leliana or the others? It would be good to see a nice dwarven couple for a change. Well maybe in some mod?

Modifié par Uthenera, 24 octobre 2009 - 04:32 .

[Eshaye]

I wouldn't discount the appearance of an elven female romance option in an expansion either. I think I'm really grateful I play as female PCs all the time because I still get my elven pairing if I want. But it does suck for elven males, however it looks like you can romance or at least flirt to a point with both human women but refuse advances... Sure you don't get all of it but at least the romances don't seem too linear.

[Varenus Luckmann]

DalishRanger wrote...

[...]



As
for the Zevran comment... You do know homosexuality isn't considered
immoral in Ferelden, right? Just odd. However, I imagine that still
wouldn't help the whole producing offspring thing...

That's more
of a politically correct statement than a realistic one. We elves is a
race facing extinction and genocide. While the official party line is "oh, it's quirky at best!" I can hear the mutterings of anger in my ears and smell the sparklings of kindle.



Anyone openly engaging in such is perpetuating genocide. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

DalishRanger wrote...
That's
true! Though I'm guessing he's opting for something a little deeper
than one-night stands?

As a side note, so do I. Not that I'm
likely to explore such options, but it'd certainly be better than to
kick the elves while they're down. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Uthenera wrote...
[...]

It's true there were elvish grils, but maybe because I'm too young to remember or too old and senile and forgot or both , I don't think that there were any romancable dwarven companion in any game. So when the dwarven lasses and lads are quite good looking why must the poor litle fellows if they up for some romance to look for something like a ladder to reach Morrigan and/or Leliana or the others? It would be good to see a nice dwarven couple for a change. Well maybe in some mod?

For all those dwarves, there's always the Dwarven Lassie Love Lodge.

Mods are nice, but they are rarely or ever done as well as the commercial products, simply because most doesn't have access to the means to produce a proper mod.

[Maria Caliban]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sheryl Chee (BioWare writer) has vowed to make sure no BioWare game ever has a female, elven love interest again.

[...]

With that logic, I'm amazed that they're including romances at all. There's a huge backstory for the elves in Dragon Age, but they're deliberately locking roleplayers out of romance options, because they've got a loathing for elves in other settings?

What logic? I didn’t tell you why she’s doing so, only that she is. You just randomly invented a motive that you find stupid.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sheryl Chee (BioWare writer) has vowed to make sure no BioWare game ever has a female, elven love interest again.

[...]

With that logic, I'm amazed that they're including romances at all. There's a huge backstory for the elves in Dragon Age, but they're deliberately locking roleplayers out of romance options, because they've got a loathing for elves in other settings?

What logic? I didn’t tell you why she’s doing so, only that she is. You just randomly invented a motive that you find stupid.

As far as I've been able to gather so far, the only reason I've found yet is "It's been done before, in completely other games and we don't want to write more elven stories, lol". By all means, correct me if I'm wrong.

And you're entirely right with the "what logic" question. I'm asking myself the same question. What logic?

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 24 octobre 2009 - 10:06 .

[Punahedan]

Don't know about you, but I'd rather have romantic options that MAKE SENSE, not just for the sake of having 'em. Since the developers wrote the plot and stuff, I think they know what fits and what doesn't.



And, Ms. Chee "ensuring that we'll never get an elven romantic interest for male PCs again" is a running joke.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...
Don't know about you, but I'd rather have romantic options that MAKE SENSE, not just for the sake of having 'em. Since the developers wrote the plot and stuff, I think they know what fits and what doesn't.

[...]

I completely agree. And for elves, humans as a romantic love interest doesn't make any sense whatsoever, if you consider the established lore of human-elven relations - political, cultural or sexual.

Unless you're a race traitor who revel in the genocide of your people.

[Punahedan]

I wasn't saying that they don't make sense, I was saying that we have no clue if they do or not. Mod it in if you want. But the developers, who made the game, know best what they should include. They don't have romanceable dwarves, either (aside from the PC).



Ultimately, for a Grey Warden, no one makes sense. I don't think Wardens are supposed to get married or have offspring. What they made is what we get until we mod it in or they add more. Tough noogies. I want a romanceable nug, and I don't get one.

[Maria Caliban]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

And, Ms. Chee "ensuring that we'll never get an elven romantic interest for male PCs again" is a running joke.

She is evil, and loves the taste of Lotion's sweet tears.

[Darthnemesis2]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

And, Ms. Chee "ensuring that we'll never get an elven romantic interest for male PCs again" is a running joke.

She is evil, and loves the taste of Lotion's sweet tears.

Or the sweet sound of my laughter...

[Klyssa of Trinsic]

Have to say, I wasn't that enamoured with the elven female romances in Baldurs Gate 2 anyway ... better no female elven romance than another Aiere (and that mysterious instantly birthing baby).

I'm going to wait and see what they've got instore for us, M/F, M/M and F/F ingame and then, if I feel like anything is lacking I'll either go look for mods ... or hope for a romantic subplot to some dlc/an expansion.

Because while a lot of 'romance' mods  for rpgs are just bybble eye candy ridiculousness, there have been a few good ones here and there and I think this will have the fan/developer space to support it.

Modifié par Klyssa of Trinsic, 25 octobre 2009 - 08:23 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Oh god. While the Jaheira and Aerie romances were worthless in Baldur's Gate II, it didn't really have anything to do with the fact that they were elves. They were just really, really annoying characters.

[DalishRanger]

Well, Jaheira was a half-elf, though I suppose that's being nitpicky. And I actually liked Jaheira a lot. I know I'm in the minority on that subject, though, so I'm not going to start a debate over it.

Aerie, I never bothered with her romance. As a character, I can take her or leave her. I'm fairly neutral on her.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 26 octobre 2009 - 02:01 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

DalishRanger wrote...

Well, Jaheira was a half-elf, though I suppose that's being nitpicky. And I actually liked Jaheira a lot. I know I'm in the minority on that subject, though, so I'm not going to start a debate over it.

Aerie, I never bothered with her romance. As a character, I can take her or leave her. I'm fairly neutral on her.

Aerie.. One of the worst multiclasses and one of the single worst characters. Now, don't get me wrong. I think most characters in Baldur's Gate II were really well made. The fact that I DO hate her so much just goes to show that she invoked emotions.

It's much better than the recent trend of only a few well-made characters that are generic and that everyone likes.

[DalishRanger]

Very true, very true!

[Mesecina]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Aerie.. One of the worst multiclasses and one of the single worst characters. Now, don't get me wrong. I think most characters in Baldur's Gate II were really well made. The fact that I DO hate her so much just goes to show that she invoked emotions.

It's much better than the recent trend of only a few well-made characters that are generic and that everyone likes.

Agreed - one of the features that really made BG2 stand out among all the other RPGs I played (yes also counting the whole 3d era<_<) was companions that truly had a well shaped personality and actually felt alive. For example I could never ever let Minsc out of my party because he just loved the PC so much (and was actually the single most hilarious NPC I ever encounterd, followed closely by Deekin), I felt bad for dragging Keldorn away from his family, grimaced whenever Aerie opened her mouth (and loved to have Korgan along for the sole reason of making fun of her ), actually felt bad for Anomen eventhough he was a douche (romanced him a couple time too )... they all (or well most of them) made you feel something for them (for better or worse)

so I really hope this time around NPCs will live up to BG2 because for me so far they never have since in any of the newer games (with possible exception being HOTU though the romance seemed kinda forced to me)

Modifié par Mesecina, 26 octobre 2009 - 09:23 .

[Mordaedil]

Worst multiclasses? Mage-cleric hybrids are goddamn powerful, I'll have you know.

I really think these are weird requests. Why does there 'need' to be an elven love interest for males, when there's a no real romance interest for male dwarves as far as I know?

I think you think too small.

[Maria Caliban]

Mordaedil wrote...

Worst multiclasses? Mage-cleric hybrids are goddamn powerful, I'll have you know.

That's what I was thinking. Which companion was more powerful than she was?

[minamber]

Maria Caliban wrote...
That's what I was thinking. Which companion was more powerful than she was?

Edwin was, with his 2 extra spells per level. The big problem with Aerie (from a power point of view) is that she couldn't learn 9th level spells, because her intelligence was too low. Additionally, while cleric/mage multiclass was powerful, they had so many spells available that you never used even half of them, unless you were like me and hated to rest.
RP-wise the problem with Aerie was that despite her high intelligence and wisdom stats, she came across as far too naive and whiny. Her romance was the only one I could never finish in BG 2 because of that.

But we're getting kind of OT here... Not that i think there was much of a topic to begin with.
@ OP why do you feel entitled to a female elven romance exactly? It is entirely Bioware's choice what to put in their game, and they certainly can't accomodate the tastes of every player out there.

[Darke1]

I think Morrigan would be the most likely choice for the Elven male. Why? Well, she is a shapeshifter, who is to say she couldnt go elven lass for you.



She also doesnt seem quite human to me, so maybe you wouldnt feel so bad romancing her (as i intend to as my Dalish Male Elf).

[Varenus Luckmann]

Mordaedil wrote...
[...]

I
really think these are weird requests. Why does there 'need' to be an
elven love interest for males, when there's a no real romance interest
for male dwarves as far as I know?

[...]

I fully support the dwarven rights for lasses. The issue, however, is entirely different. The dwarves aren't threatened by genocide and there's no lore about how dwarf-human congregation always results in a human child or not. For all we know, every such union results in a dwarven child! 

minamber wrote...
[...]
But we're getting kind of OT here... Not that i think there was much of a topic to begin with.
[...]

Anything to have to do with elven lasses is on topic, even as annoying as Aerie was.

minamber wrote...
@ OP why do you feel entitled to a female elven romance exactly? It is entirely Bioware's choice what to put in their game, and they certainly can't accomodate the tastes of every player out there.

Ach. Not this old tirade. "It's their decision", "you're not entitled to anything", "they do as they wish" & "trust in ".

I've never claimed that I was entitled to anything. What I'd want is a viable option for those roleplaying elves in relation to the setting. Now, if I said that I wanted a clown romance to accomodate the mime I was playing, I'd see the "accomodate the taste of every player out there" argument, but as I've said before, it's not like I'm trying to roleplay something completely nutty or unique here. I'm just a concerned elf.

Darke1 wrote...
[...]
She also doesnt seem quite human to me,
so maybe you wouldnt feel so bad romancing her (as i intend to as my
Dalish Male Elf).

Race traitor. Selling out your people for your carnal lusts.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 26 octobre 2009 - 05:04 .