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[JediHealerCosmin]

jojimbo wrote...

Room for more DLC come on BW mooaarr!!!!!



The warden and Morrigan settle down to a nice life of domestic bliss.the warden tends to his fields,Morrigan gives him 2 more children,they shelter away from the events of the second blight ignoring Hawkes rise to power in the North.

But then,having followed a magic signature and huuuuge tear appears in the veil and out of it pours the Darkspawn horde,they fall upon the hapless inhabitants and how they slew,slew, slew.

Their target,Wardens farm is ahead,the ogres take position in the front,and with a roar they charge,thousands upon thousands....

The Warden takes a long old friend from the hooks in the wall,unsheaths the long two handed sword which shines,Morrigan places the children in the cellar through a door in the floor and takes hold of the Staff of Light,they both for a moment gaze lovingly into eachothers eyes,and head out into the melee.

Since we didn't get a solid conclusion, that's actually the extent of what I imagine of my Warden's ending with Leliana  

And they lived happily ever after.  BioWare disapproves -1 =)) 

[Lethvienne]

tbsking wrote...

Skwirl182 wrote...

Whitering wrote...

Lair of the Shadow Broker for ME2 was great...I haven't even bought Witch Hunt yet. It just sounds slapped together. DA was a great game and Awakening was a great expansion (with some QA issues), and I have enjoyed the DLCs though I didn't bother with Darkspawn Chronicles. The thing that has made me drop DA are the patches...which are not great quality.

I don't want to see a decline in the quality of the patches or DLCs (though this is probably the last one) for DA because the majority of the team is busy working on DA2.

lol.  I agree!  The A team is working on DA2, and the B Team sold me Witch Hunt.

I'm tempted to make an A-Team joke, but I won't.

The DLC sort of feels like they decided not to do the two years DLC in favor of DA2, but someone on the staff said "We wanted to conclude Origins with Morrigan DLC" so the execs okayed it on the basis that they had to hurry and not say anything that would keep them from using it as a sequel hook. It just doesn't feel like they tried very hard.

Not sort of. That IS exactly what they did. They cut Origins short in favor of DA2. I really don't buy their rather feeble excuses as to why they went back on the 2 years of DLC promise.

You're right that they didn't try very hard. There can really be no doubt at all that this was a rush job. It sort of makes me think back to when I was in school and I'd forgotten I had a major homework assignment due. I would rush and scramble to slap something together the very night before the homework was to be handed in just so I'd have something to give the teacher. Witch Hunt feels like that.

Modifié par Lethvienne, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:22 .

[Emyer]

night0205 wrote...

Emyer wrote...

Just finished Witch Hunt after a DA:O marathon(Since I lost my saves a couple weeks back D:), and I got to say, feels good, man

I imported my character from Golems(Origins->Awakening->Golems) and I didn't have any problems with the DR bug people have been reporting, I loved the little mentions of Morrigan's ring and the funny banter between the companions, I also smirked at the little jab at Harry Potter and the "Are there Griffons in this book?" book(Throwback to the conversation with Wynne), the ending was great for me, but it was rushed imo, *HEAVY SPOILERS* I simply went through the mirror with Morrigan and even though the Warden and Morri had their little lovers reunion which was nice :3, the game just suddenly ends, no reaction shot of the companions, no epilogue, we just walked through the mirror and "Credits" *SPOILERS END*

The reused areas were kind of annoying, but after RtO, DC, LS(in which BW even altered Leliana's tale so they could reuse the same areas) and GoA, I was kind of expecting it

As a Morrigan fan who got his reunion with no bug I'd give this DLC a 9/10, from a mostly objective point of view I'd give it a 6 or a 5 out of ten, only the writing and banter between the companions is worth it, the questions that were supposed to be answered and the conclusion we were supposed to have are nowhere to be seen, it felt more like a teaser for DA2 and after than a final chapter for the Warden.

If you don't mind could you tell me if you imported your ORIGIN save from the epilogue itself or after it?

I didn't do any post-epilogue/coronation stuff if that's what you're asking, I finished Origins and after the credits went straight to Awakening and then Golems(Which was the save I imported to WH).

I guess that what people have been reporting about continuing your Origins game after the epilogue causing the bug is true.

[ApuoH]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Look if the wardens story is done, Just f**king kill him/her off already, so the rest of us can stop hoping and leave DA in the dust.

The warden is my character, My story, it seems pointless to me to play as Bioware's Hawke.

Seconded! ^.^

Heh...

Hawke: I should go.
Warden: Yes you f**king should.
Morrigan: Indeed.
Hawke: I will just be going then...*Turns to leave*
*Godbaby blows Hawke up with super amazing lazer from his eyes.*

 

Yeah, i'm in the same boat with you, guys. That's pretty sux.
At the old Bioware forum there were a topic about Morrigan. Kinda 116 pages of discussion DA:O's ending, mostly Morrigan's part. Bioware saw how much people were pissed of ending, where she just live us with tonn of questions, with a broken heart, with a little hope to meet our Morrigan again. And i believe they knew, that thousands of people were waiting for Morrigan's story. For example, before they release information about Hawke in DA 2, i was sure Bioware will continue Warden's story in second part, were our warden lost his memories(in this way they can wipe whole skills and high level), but with time he start to remember DA:O's happens and gonna to find Morrigan [especially, coz they said, that we can import DA:O saves into DA 2]; or at least they'll make a big addon, like 15+- hours, with Warden in search of Morrigan. But no, they made new hero, new history, that in some way combined with Warden's story. WTF?! I mean, for sure Biowars knew, that most players wonna continue Warden and his friend's story. So they had time to work out some DLC\\Addon, to continue [and even maybe finishing] this story, so peoples can say "Oh, that was beautiful fairytail, i'm so exiting. Wonna see, what Bioware will do with second part".
Okay, after this DA 2 announced, we realised, that next time we can play Warden will be in DA 3, not sooner. But they have to answer at least at few questions, which we got in Origins. Coz we've been waiting for almost a year, and now have to wait few more to get answers? No way, they can't do this to us. And here we are, Witch Hunt announced. All are exiting, counting hours before it, hoping to get answers, and... DLC is bugged. I think that isn't worse, Bioware can fix this. But what do we have with storylane? That's totally not even near with that, what were expected. And this is the last DLC to DA:O. So, now we have even more questions, and have to wait for another 2-3 years, to get answers, if we will get it at all. Don't work for me like that. I'd rather see my Warden dead, so i can say to myself, that this is the end of his story. Then, maybe, i'd like to see, who is Hawke and what is his story.. But not how it is now...

[Antaress]

ApuoH wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Look if the wardens story is done, Just f**king kill him/her off already, so the rest of us can stop hoping and leave DA in the dust.

The warden is my character, My story, it seems pointless to me to play as Bioware's Hawke.

Seconded! ^.^

Heh...

Hawke: I should go.
Warden: Yes you f**king should.
Morrigan: Indeed.
Hawke: I will just be going then...*Turns to leave*
*Godbaby blows Hawke up with super amazing lazer from his eyes.*

 

Yeah, i'm in the same boat with you, guys. That's pretty sux.
At the old Bioware forum there were a topic about Morrigan. Kinda 116 pages of discussion DA:O's ending, mostly Morrigan's part. Bioware saw how much people were pissed of ending, where she just live us with tonn of questions, with a broken heart, with a little hope to meet our Morrigan again. And i believe they knew, that thousands of people were waiting for Morrigan's story. For example, before they release information about Hawke in DA 2, i was sure Bioware will continue Warden's story in second part, were our warden lost his memories(in this way they can wipe whole skills and high level), but with time he start to remember DA:O's happens and gonna to find Morrigan [especially, coz they said, that we can import DA:O saves into DA 2]; or at least they'll make a big addon, like 15+- hours, with Warden in search of Morrigan. But no, they made new hero, new history, that in some way combined with Warden's story. WTF?! I mean, for sure Biowars knew, that most players wonna continue Warden and his friend's story. So they had time to work out some DLC\\\\Addon, to continue [and even maybe finishing] this story, so peoples can say "Oh, that was beautiful fairytail, i'm so exiting. Wonna see, what Bioware will do with second part".
Okay, after this DA 2 announced, we realised, that next time we can play Warden will be in DA 3, not sooner. But they have to answer at least at few questions, which we got in Origins. Coz we've been waiting for almost a year, and now have to wait few more to get answers? No way, they can't do this to us. And here we are, Witch Hunt announced. All are exiting, counting hours before it, hoping to get answers, and... DLC is bugged. I think that isn't worse, Bioware can fix this. But what do we have with storylane? That's totally not even near with that, what were expected. And this is the last DLC to DA:O. So, now we have even more questions, and have to wait for another 2-3 years, to get answers, if we will get it at all. Don't work for me like that. I'd rather see my Warden dead, so i can say to myself, that this is the end of his story. Then, maybe, i'd like to see, who is Hawke and what is his story.. But not how it is now...

+1 except warden dead 

[Valus]

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

[UberDuber]

Right guys,



Bioware does not care, they are giving us this waste of an ending to Morrigan and the warden story. The story which alot of people thought would carry onto DA2. Instead we get Hawke the hero of blah blah blah.



To me it feels like they just made Morrigan's and the wardens story into a cheap DLC to get us on the Hawke train all the faster. DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT.





I can say right now that I am not buying DA2. It does not matter about new graphics and combat. I just don't care.



For me DA2 was suppose to be about continuing MY WARDENS story. If you guys at Bioware think that the "world" is more important than the players main character....wow you have got it so wrong.



Heres to hoping for a DA3 with the warden! ( Which probably won't happen if DA2 suxs as bad as it seems already.)



Looks like this is the end.

[tbsking]

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

EDIT: I made the promise to myself that if the Morrigan plot was tied up in a way that satisfied me I would go ahead and pre-order DA2. But...

Modifié par tbsking, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[ITZ ReD 0cToBeR]

if bioware are reading the fourms maybe they will change their minds and take away hawke and put in the mighty warden that we all know and love

[ares71]

On the Witch Hunt bug, a few observations:



Apparently this bug happens if you don't import the correct save?



I specficially did not use my "end game" save from DAO for Awakening as it kept importing my character naked and weaponless. I was using Blood Dragon Armor and Starfang with that character. I ended up importing my Return to Ostagar character instead as those items picked up in RTO were useable in Awakening and it least gave me equipment. I therefore played all of Awakening and GoA with that character and is the one I imported into Witch Hunt.



It therefore seems that the entire reason that Witch Hunt ending is bugged is that the expansions aren't compatible with each other? For example, if Awakening had been compatible with Warden's Keep, then I would have used the DAO end-save instead for Awakening and not had the bug in Witch hunt.

[Skwirl182]

ITZ ReD 0cToBeR wrote...

if bioware are reading the fourms maybe they will change their minds and take away hawke and put in the mighty warden that we all know and love

Not likely, they are already balls deep in this project with regards to trying to sell the hawke character concept to the fans.  The only thing they can do now is see this through, and hope for the best.  And then hope they don't have to declare chapter 13 if the game doesn't sell. 

[Adanu]

This DLC gives a decent amount of closure to the open ended nature of Morrigans epilogues. You know what she is going to do now, and you have options to deal with it in your own way.



This is what the promised, yes, it is buggy, but bugs like that can be fixed. That being said, they delivered on their promise within the context of the rest of the DA characters. The ending is the equivalent of the KOTOR ending in this respect. It's open ended ,but gives a definitive 'knowledge' of things at that moment.



Making a world like this with long term consequences requires you to be vague on certain aspects.

[tbsking]

Skwirl182 wrote...

ITZ ReD 0cToBeR wrote...

if bioware are reading the fourms maybe they will change their minds and take away hawke and put in the mighty warden that we all know and love

Not likely, they are already balls deep in this project with regards to trying to sell the hawke character concept to the fans.  The only thing they can do now is see this through, and hope for the best.  And then hope they don't have to declare chapter 13 if the game doesn't sell. 

Let's be honest: any game BioWare makes will sell. And they'll roll with it. DA2 will sell as good if not better than DAO, regardless of whether or not its better, and BioWare will keep it going.

[Lethvienne]

Adanu wrote...

This DLC gives a decent amount of closure to the open ended nature of Morrigans epilogues. You know what she is going to do now, and you have options to deal with it in your own way.

This is what the promised, yes, it is buggy, but bugs like that can be fixed. That being said, they delivered on their promise within the context of the rest of the DA characters. The ending is the equivalent of the KOTOR ending in this respect. It's open ended ,but gives a definitive 'knowledge' of things at that moment.

Making a world like this with long term consequences requires you to be vague on certain aspects.

It's too vague though. Especially since they led us to believe that this would answer all of our questions and would conclude Origins. It did not do any of these. Morrigan didn't say anything I couldn't have figured out on my own, and DID figure out on my own, to be honest. She said nothing new. And then it just ended. Poof.

[Valus]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

[tbsking]

Lethvienne wrote...

Adanu wrote...

This DLC gives a decent amount of closure to the open ended nature of Morrigans epilogues. You know what she is going to do now, and you have options to deal with it in your own way.

This is what the promised, yes, it is buggy, but bugs like that can be fixed. That being said, they delivered on their promise within the context of the rest of the DA characters. The ending is the equivalent of the KOTOR ending in this respect. It's open ended ,but gives a definitive 'knowledge' of things at that moment.

Making a world like this with long term consequences requires you to be vague on certain aspects.

It's too vague though. Especially since they led us to believe that this would answer all of our questions and would conclude Origins. It did not do any of these. Morrigan didn't say anything I couldn't have figured out on my own, and DID figure out on my own, to be honest. She said nothing new. And then it just ended. Poof.

Flemeth is bad, Hope and Change, I love you too, Peace Easy.

The end.

[tbsking]

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

I'm not looking for "happily ever after" necessarily. But I was hoping to get a feeling of finality. As it is, they step through the mirror to parts unknown, for reasons unknown, to a future unknown without any real conclusion. Morrigan doesn't explain a single thing about her motivations, she doesn't do anything but advertise DA2. It's just not an ending.

[UberDuber]

tbsking wrote...

Skwirl182 wrote...

ITZ ReD 0cToBeR wrote...

if bioware are reading the fourms maybe they will change their minds and take away hawke and put in the mighty warden that we all know and love

Not likely, they are already balls deep in this project with regards to trying to sell the hawke character concept to the fans.  The only thing they can do now is see this through, and hope for the best.  And then hope they don't have to declare chapter 13 if the game doesn't sell. 

Let's be honest: any game BioWare makes will sell. And they'll roll with it. DA2 will sell as good if not better than DAO, regardless of whether or not its better, and BioWare will keep it going.

It will sell, have no doubt of that.
But the fact is that so many kids who are not allowed on these forums, will be disapointed seeing DA2 in the game store, and then find out they have to play as Hawke and not their warden.

Really Bioware are listening to the adults who buy the game, which is a small percentage compared to the under 18s who buy this game.
How can they listen to what the younger fans think if half of them can't even post on these forums.

[Lethvienne]

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

The bug is the least of my worries. I think we're perfectly justified in being upset with how this so-called 'conclusion' played out. You forget one thing. One very, very important thing. Yes, BioWare produces this game and writes the story for it, BUT... Why do they do that? Why do they make these games? Why do they write the stories for them? To SELL them. To US. And that means that we, as customers, have every right to complain about a product that we are displeased with. We're the customers and we should have a say in this. They make these games for money. Money they get from US. And they need us far more than we need them.

To say that we're upset because Witch Hunt didn't add up to our "Morrigan-Warden fanfiction" is ridiculous and absolutely uncalled for. Spare us the unwarranted insults. That isn't what we're saying, at least not that I can see. We're saying that this didn't give us closure. We're saying that this left more questions than answers. And we're saying that we feel cheated. I don't care if my Warden ends up with Morrigan. I chose Zevran. What I do care about are all the loose threads BioWare just left to dangle in the wind with this sorry excuse for an ending.

Added: This isn't about whether or not our Wardens end up with Morrigan. Drop the assumptions, please. The fact is, there is a lot more than can still be done with the Warden. So much left that he/she can accomplish. The Warden was a personal character for many of us and that's why we loved him/her. It has nothing whatsoever do with your preposterous assumption that what we want is a happily ever after with Morrigan to frollick and skip about in domestic bless with their god-child laughing merrily at their side.

Modifié par Lethvienne, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[niphylian]

I've just finished Witch Hunt DLC.

I'm sorry but it's been a sheer delusion.

It ends in 45 minutes, it explains nothing about Morrigan and it finish abrubtly just after you've talked with her for a very little while... I'm sorely disappointed.

[Valus]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

I'm not looking for "happily ever after" necessarily. But I was hoping to get a feeling of finality. As it is, they step through the mirror to parts unknown, for reasons unknown, to a future unknown without any real conclusion. Morrigan doesn't explain a single thing about her motivations, she doesn't do anything but advertise DA2. It's just not an ending.

And in that we agree. Endings suck though. Unless of course it involves putting a greatsword into an archdemon and blowing yourself up....then endings are pretty damn cool.

[Emyer]

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

Why do you assume everyone in the Warden camp is a Romance Morrifan ? There are such a thing as female Wardens and there are a lot of male Wardens that did not romance Morrigan or did the DR *le gasp*


Personally, I am a fan of Morrigan and my Warden romanced and stuck by her, but I am not expecting a sunshine and rainbows ending for them at all, you just have to enjoy the time you have(Was also a Viconia romancer in BG )


As for DA being about Thedas... well, in my opinion BW is doing a ****** poor job about that, most of the background and lore of Thedas gets relegated to codex entries that I don't think the majority of players read or to side story novels, the game itself is about the characters and how they interact, I care as much about Thedas as I care about Middle Earth really, which is not much at all, it's the Gandalfs and Aragorns and so on that keep me hooked to a story.

[The Edge]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but a dev guy (I think) mentioned that there SHOULD be a save after completing Witch Hunt; the fact that there isn't one right now is another problem that they're looking into, I suppose.

[Lethvienne]

Emyer wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

Why do you assume everyone in the Warden camp is a Romance Morrifan ? There are such a thing as female Wardens and there are a lot of male Wardens that did not romance Morrigan or did the DR *le gasp*


Personally, I am a fan of Morrigan and my Warden romanced and stuck by her, but I am not expecting a sunshine and rainbows ending for them at all, you just have to enjoy the time you have(Was also a Viconia romancer in BG )


As for DA being about Thedas... well, in my opinion BW is doing a ****** poor job about that, most of the background and lore of Thedas gets relegated to codex entries that I don't think the majority of players read or to side story novels, the game itself is about the characters and how they interact, I care as much about Thedas as I care about Middle Earth really, which is not much at all, it's the Gandalfs and Aragorns and so on that keep me hooked to a story.

Very well said. It's precisely how I feel about things, too. While I would love to explore more of Thedas, I don't care about it even half as much as I do about the characters within it. It's the people that make things interesting, not the landscape. It's the characters that made me love Dragon Age and I think that's true for most of us.

BioWare's insistence that Dragon Age is more about the land that the characters seems halfbaked to me. An attempt to make us more willing to accept Hawke. It just doesn't work that way. ^.^

I won't even get into this...person's weird assessment on the Warden-Morrigan thing. I've already said my piece on that. <_<

[stratocaster]

yes, he had.

Modifié par stratocaster, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:44 .