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[UberDuber]

I mean I thought DA was suppose to be about continuation of your character, the warden. Now we have to play as Bioware's Hawke? Hmm...I don't really care about the world. The characters for me is whats important, and they grow on you, thinking that you will see them in a sequel.

Wow...I remembered how disapointed I was, when Bioware annouced we would be playing as Hawke in DA2, and that our wardens just vanished. I wish Bioware would tell us if the warden's story will be continued or not....so most of us can move on and stop hoping ...xD

Origins does not mean the end of our wardens....or does it? Please tell me, so I can move the *bleep* on.

Modifié par UberDuber, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:57 .

[Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens]

I just want to play with the characters I already like plus some interesting new ones. Isn't that the point of a sequel?



If Toy Story 3 had been primarily about some new pirate toy instead of Buzz, Woody and Andy, it wouldn't have been well received. (Sorry, I'm a big ol' kid.)



And I don't understand where Bioware is coming from with this "It's about Thedas" attitude. Good stories are always about the characters.



Color me confused.

[Valus]

Emyer wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Ugh.

There are lots of reasons to complain about this game. Like ****** poor DLC quality or bugs a plenty. The last thing we should be complaining about is how the writers choose to write the story. Morrigan has a purpose to the story as does/did the Warden. Let them tell the tale. It belongs to them afterall. If they have gotten one thing correct so far is that they can weave a pretty decent yarn however as of late (with Witch Hunt) it seems to be just for a quick cash injection or to shut the Morrigan fan boys up.  We really should not be crying about how the latest installment of Dragonage does not match up perfectly with the Morrigan-Warden fanfiction we dreamt up on our way to sleep last night.

This story is supposed to be about hard choices, loss, individual perceptions of right and wrong. At least that is what I get out of it. Now lets all shut up and go back to yelling about how bugged witch hunt is.

But the one weaves right into the other. Sure the writers are good at their jobs. But Witch Hunt, among other things, doesn't do a whole lot to "weave a yarn". Quite the opposite, it leaves a lot of holes and openings and questions that lead right into "Now here's someone we hope you really like" without a satisfying conclusion to the first story.

Imagine if Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke finding out Vader is his father and Han captured by Boba Fett, only for the sequel to follow Wedge Antilles and his escapades against the empire.

I'll agree that Witch Hunt was horrid. I think I kind of mentioned that in my first statement. I feel that it's a turn for the worse as far as story telling is concerned and shows obvious signs of being rushed and being understaffed/ underfinanced.  It's sad too considering I thought Leliana's song was a good representation of what could be done with no time or money....and then they pull out this bucket of garbage.

I guess there are 2 camps of Dragon Age fans out there. The ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about the Warden and the ones who believe Dragon Age is a story about Thedas. The first find ways to keep the warden alive no matter what and creep around the forums looking for signs that DA3 will effectively be a sim game of your Warden and Morrigan living in domestic bliss on some quaint sheep farm in the Free Marches. The last ones usually killed themselves at the top of fort Drakkon because it's a freakin badass ending and represents (to them) what this RPG is all about, sacrifice and making the hard choices. For better or worse it seems the writers have decided this is a game about Thedas, and namely the next installment is a game about some guy named Hawke. Fear not however, if you opted to go through the looking glass merely close your eyes and pretend you and Morrigan are planting cabbages and raising fat babies.

Why do you assume everyone in the Warden camp is a Romance Morrifan ? There are such a thing as female Wardens and there are a lot of male Wardens that did not romance Morrigan or did the DR *le gasp*


Personally, I am a fan of Morrigan and my Warden romanced and stuck by her, but I am not expecting a sunshine and rainbows ending for them at all, you just have to enjoy the time you have(Was also a Viconia romancer in BG )


As for DA being about Thedas... well, in my opinion BW is doing a ****** poor job about that, most of the background and lore of Thedas gets relegated to codex entries that I don't think the majority of players read or to side story novels, the game itself is about the characters and how they interact, I care as much about Thedas as I care about Middle Earth really, which is not much at all, it's the Gandalfs and Aragorns and so on that keep me hooked to a story.

HAHA, Viconia. Rock on.

I think you are absolutely right that alot of people don't delve into the codex or are reading Stolen Throne ect. A shame since it took Gaider and the rest 8 years to craft this realm and it's hella rich but thankfully not necessary. I am not assuming everyone is a Morrigan fan, I'm just using that example at the moment because that is what most people are raging about....right now at least. I actually liked her char very much but could never get past the fact that it was Claudia Black doing the voice so I couldn't take it very seriously. Peace Keeper where?

The middle earth comparison is good. Some of us focused on Aragorn. Some of us focused on Middle Earth. There is nothing wrong with either one however what alot of people are doing right now is roughly the equivalant of calling up J.R. (well...performing necromantic rights on his corpse, then calling him) and demanding that he rewrite a portion of the story more to our liking. The story is invariably going to take twists we don't like. If we don't like it we just get off the ride. Simple enough.

[tehprincessJ]

So... was there anyone, anywhere who wasn't disappointed? I'm not sure why my expectations were so high. But it's so sad that we end such an amazing game on this note.

[Mystique83]

UberDuber wrote...

I mean I thought DA was suppose to be about continuation of your character, the warden. Now we have to play as Bioware's Hawke? Hmm...I don't really care about the world. The characters for me is whats important, and they grow on you, thinking that you will see them in a sequel.

Wow...I remembered how disapointed I was, when Bioware annouced we would be playing as Hawke in DA2, and that our wardens just vanished. I wish Bioware would tell us if the warden's story will be continued or not....so most of us can move on and stop hoping ...xD

Origins does not mean the end of our wardens....or does it? Please tell me, so I can move the *bleep* on.

I would sign this!

Before BW announced DA2 I was nearly sure DA2 would be about our warden.
And since my wardens didn't die during DAO I would like to know what is happening to them in the future because I never romanced Morrigan and for me the final DLC witch hunt is no conclusion at all. How can this ending be a good ending for my warden?
Please, BW, don't let it end like this! Witch hunt is truely the worst DLC you made for DAO.

Well, I am still hoping my warden will return in future DA games, but I doubt it somehow. I guess DA3 will be about another new hero...

[XOGHunter246]

Just waiting for it to download hehe

[night0205]

tehprincessJ wrote...

So... was there anyone, anywhere who wasn't disappointed? I'm not sure why my expectations were so high. But it's so sad that we end such an amazing game on this note.

I was only disappointed in the bug... besides that it was pretty solid. I knew they would only use reused areas... all Origins DLC does. And this DLC has more meat if you had a relationship with Morrigan, so girl  characters won't get as much out of it.

Modifié par night0205, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Tezzajh]

seems a diffrent character a game, warden= origns hawke=DA2 God child=DA3 i doubt they would bring a mute character back bye bye warden

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm about to download Witch Hunt soon. Having romanced Morrigan, I look forward to whatever happens in it. Though from what I hear, it's not exactly what people expected. But oh well, as long as Morrigan is there...

[Emyer]

tehprincessJ wrote...

So... was there anyone, anywhere who wasn't disappointed? I'm not sure why my expectations were so high. But it's so sad that we end such an amazing game on this note.

Spoilers


I liked it actually, the detail in the little things, the easter eggs and such, this DLC probably had the funniest and most interesting writing of them all, I liked how the dog recognized Morrigan and she petted him when we showed up, and the mentions to the ring, the whole dialogue with Morrigan(If you didn't get bugged) is quite good, I like how she says it's a bad idea to follow her and tells the Warden to forget about her but if you do decide to follow her she looks happy(As happy as Morrigan can look at least ), granted the ending is quite abrupt, Ariane and Finn grew on me for those 1-2 hours I was with them and for it to end without so much as a reaction shot was quite surprising.



Granted this is all from the perspective of someone who romanced and cared for Morrigan a great deal, I would probably feel pretty pissed if it was revealed that Origin's final DLC had mostly to do with Alistair romance or something.


I mean this is the final DLC for Origins and if you can't be arsed about Morrigan then... you'll be quite disappointed, I can certainly sympathise with those that romanced Leliana/Zevran/Alistair and didn't give a toss about Morrigan, they get no resolution whatsoever, not to mention it doesn't make much sense that they would be searching for Morrigan in the first place

[MonkeyChief117]

I havn't got this DLC yet, but 15minutes of reading the posts here, i'm not going to. If you really want to give Bioware some money, buy Shadow Broker DLC instead - its excellent.



Its such a shame - i so wanted Morrigan to feature in a proper expansion - not a bugged 20 minute DLC. Why Bioware? Why?

[Antaress]

UberDuber wrote...

I mean I thought DA was suppose to be about continuation of your character, the warden. Now we have to play as Bioware's Hawke? Hmm...I don't really care about the world. The characters for me is whats important, and they grow on you, thinking that you will see them in a sequel.

Wow...I remembered how disapointed I was, when Bioware annouced we would be playing as Hawke in DA2, and that our wardens just vanished. I wish Bioware would tell us if the warden's story will be continued or not....so most of us can move on and stop hoping ...xD

Origins does not mean the end of our wardens....or does it? Please tell me, so I can move the *bleep* on.

you are 100 % right and i am with you 
screw Hawk and Fedas 
DO is about warden not about some old tree or god know what else, I think should tell us if it is planing to bring warden back or not 
if not than by DA you will be missed:( 
I think BW will lose lot custumers if they continue this way

[night0205]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm about to download Witch Hunt soon. Having romanced Morrigan, I look forward to whatever happens in it. Though from what I hear, it's not exactly what people expected. But oh well, as long as Morrigan is there...

If you don't want the bug, make sure your import is not started by a origin post-epilogue save. The epilogue save itself is titled post-campaign epilogue or something along those lines. People that use saves after this point get bugged.

[autumn813]

I'm a female warden that romanced Alistair, convinced Alistair to perform the Dark Ritual, made Alistair king, and subsequently became his queen on the Xbox 360. I imported that same warden character to complete Awakenings and then imported the character into Witch Hunt. I got the "bugged" ending where Morrigan did not acknowledge that I made Alistair perform the dark ritual. In order to not get the "bugged" ending in Witch Hunt, which save am I supposed to import? I apologize in advance since I don't seem to understand what causes the bug.

[Fiery Phoenix]

night0205 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm about to download Witch Hunt soon. Having romanced Morrigan, I look forward to whatever happens in it. Though from what I hear, it's not exactly what people expected. But oh well, as long as Morrigan is there...

If you don't want the bug, make sure your import is not started by a origin post-epilogue save. The epilogue save itself is titled post-campaign epilogue or something along those lines. People that use saves after this point get bugged.

Got it. Thanks for the heads up.

[Emyer]

autumn813 wrote...

I'm a female warden that romanced Alistair, convinced Alistair to perform the Dark Ritual, made Alistair king, and subsequently became his queen on the Xbox 360. I imported that same warden character to complete Awakenings and then imported the character into Witch Hunt. I got the "bugged" ending where Morrigan did not acknowledge that I made Alistair perform the dark ritual. In order to not get the "bugged" ending in Witch Hunt, which save am I supposed to import? I apologize in advance since I don't seem to understand what causes the bug.

The question just got answered above you, but the gist of it is not to load a post-coronation save, if you finished Origins and then loaded up a post coronation save and continued playing(To finish sidequests or DLC) then your save is bugged and every other campaign you imported that save to(Awakening, Golems of Amgarrak) is also bugged, to avoid that bug simply don't import from a post-epilogue save game.

[XOGHunter246]

I only started and can already see some companions seem dull to me :/ also mobs always gaining health can they not be killed? ><

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:33 .

[autumn813]

Emyer wrote...

autumn813 wrote...

I'm a female warden that romanced Alistair, convinced Alistair to perform the Dark Ritual, made Alistair king, and subsequently became his queen on the Xbox 360. I imported that same warden character to complete Awakenings and then imported the character into Witch Hunt. I got the "bugged" ending where Morrigan did not acknowledge that I made Alistair perform the dark ritual. In order to not get the "bugged" ending in Witch Hunt, which save am I supposed to import? I apologize in advance since I don't seem to understand what causes the bug.

The question just got answered above you, but the gist of it is not to load a post-coronation save, if you finished Origins and then loaded up a post coronation save and continued playing(To finish sidequests or DLC) then your save is bugged and every other campaign you imported that save to(Awakening, Golems of Amgarrak) is also bugged, to avoid that bug simply don't import from a post-epilogue save game.

Thanks, Emyer!  I noticed the question was answered just after I clicked "submit".  But thank you for providing additional details to make the bug issue very clear.  I finally understand the problem now.

[JusticarDoom]

I imported Gene Cousland from Golems of Amgarrak. No bugs for me. it acknowledged I did the ritual and such. I happen to have LOVED this dlc so much. a) great story, and I do actually think it is a fantastic conclusion. the mere fact they are reusing areas but not trying to disguise them as new areas and just making the warden revisit them for specific reasons makes me happy. c) fantastic ending. I didn't like the difficulty compared to amgarrak however. took me one try to kill the Varterral on nightmare. easy as pie, and i only had to use 4 poultices..Personally though, i think its worth the £5.49 I paid for it..and I can't happily say that about other DLCs in Dragon age. this is a 4 star from me. -1 because of low difficulty.



My ending was me and morrigan going through the portal together. We haven't seen or heard the last of them. it's been said by bioware that morrigan plays a part in DA2 AND I'm guessing the warden is still around. I mean..what's beyond this portal?.



This, I think, is far from the end of the story of the Hero of Ferelden

[Theagg]

Lethvienne wrote...

Very well said. It's precisely how I feel about things, too. While I would love to explore more of Thedas, I don't care about it even half as much as I do about the characters within it. It's the people that make things interesting, not the landscape. It's the characters that made me love Dragon Age and I think that's true for most of us.

BioWare's insistence that Dragon Age is more about the land that the characters seems halfbaked to me. An attempt to make us more willing to accept Hawke. It just doesn't work that way. ^.^

I won't even get into this...person's weird assessment on the Warden-Morrigan thing. I've already said my piece on that. <_<

True, much as people would like to believe the game should be about Thedas ( it, as the 'character' that evolves ), the platform ( single player PC or console ) just cannot do that kind of grand vision justice. A land, a continent, a world, all these are huge environments with a multitude of characters and politics at both the local and national level that influence and shape it. Not just single characters.

Attempting to do this grand vision in a space that doesn't have the capacity for it results, by neccessity, in a very reductive approach that limits changes resulting from choices to token events that get 'mentioned' but not 'lived'. Character A gets the throne rather than B. ( But does that then reflect on the day to day life player characters see ?  Where in Ferelden, for example do I see and hear the difference between Alistair ruling or not ruling. How do neighbouring states react...and so on  ) Person C turns up rather than D in a conversation ( but the conversation is largely identical whoever turns up ).

Beyond that Thedas remains largely immutable, its apparent evolution ephemeral. Its too large for a single player to
experience soley in game.

So making the game more about personal change and evolution is the wiser route and certainly the easier route.

[lemon_]

Witch Hunt disappointed me very much. I hoped that since this is the last DLC for DA:O (especially about my precious Morrigan :-)) they will get the job done and create at least ONE great DLC for this game but I was wrong and I didnt get my answers... only more questions. Im not gonna write about a bug since there are 33 pages in this topic about it... so Im just gonna try to import a save after epilogue and then it should be okay.

[Krivex]

I've got rather mixed feelings about this DLC. I sort of expected it to be a cliff hanger, however I still dared to hope that at least some small part of my questions shall be answered, alas my hopes were in vain. And since I am also quite fond of Morrigan, the realisation of the fact that this is probably my Warden's final moment with this amazing character, saddened me. At the end of the day storytelling belongs to them and it's not always about my expectations, yet I hope that things will turn out well. Let's wait and see.

[Ednoria]

I liked it, for the in-jokes, finding out what happened to some of my favorite NPCs, and all the little touches like the gossips. I'm also looking forward to Dragon Age 2, so having this little bridge is a nice touch. I wish there could be more, More, MOAR, but I also understand the need to wrap everything up. It's a tribute to Bioware that they can create such memorable characters that we want to interact with them again and again. I'm betting they'll do the same for DA2.



Is it March yet?

[shirespartan]

No game has drawn me in like DAO.. im actually gutted the Warden+Morrigan story is over, I expected more from the DLC, deffo didnt expect such a happy ending.



If it is truely the end, our Warden needed to die, its the only closure that will suffice..



I will play all of your sequels no matter what, but please give us another few games with our warden and morrigan. Infact bring back all the original crew, be nice to have a reason to persuade them to join your cause to find Morrigan and defeat flemeth, visit them all individually, see what they have been up to the last year or so.



Even if you walked through the portal a plot will be easy.. something like.. Upon entering the portal Morrigan says 'Somethings wrong', big explosion, Warden wakes up in ferelas next to the broken portal and Morrigan is no where to be seen.



Going to be a long 6 months, who knows, da2 might be as good, but no character will have the effect morrigan did, and I doubt ill be drawn in any where near as much, especially without my original warden.