Valus wrote...
Lethvienne wrote...
Valus wrote...
Lethvienne wrote...
Dr. wonderful wrote...
Lethvienne wrote...
Dr. wonderful wrote...
Me?
Well...I'm done with the warden.
I gave him a good ending, he has a LI, fought and defeated several enemies that could kill him over and over. He save the lands, made his cousin a bann, help dozen of people handle their personal problems, and personally just became a Grey Warden from the legend.
Now, if there is another evil lurking somewhere and My warden is not too old, he may come out for one more epic battle.
People complain about how Hawke not being their. Well, I can see where they coming from...I just don't agree with them.
Hawke will be mine.
Just like how Shepard, Darth Reaven and the Baldur gate god was.
Again I say, too much was left undone for our Warden. I mean, honestly. Are you really happy with so much being left unresolved? Leliana, Sten, Zevran, Morrigan... Sten and the Qunari possibly invading. Shale trying to become flesh again. Leliana, if you chose her. Or Zevran, if you chose him. What about that invitation to join the Crows? The Architect, if you let him live? Morrigan and the child she had with the WARDEN. I can't see Morrigan teaming up with Hawke over the father of her child, or the ally she grew to trust and depend on if your Warden is a female.
I played Mass Effect, and I tried ME2... Shepard was fine, but he was a premade character from the get go. He wasn't mine and I never once felt that he was. I liked him the way I like Cloud from FF7 or Locke from FF6. I wasn't as attached to him, as involved, as I was with the Warden. We were told that Dragon Age was to be a different sort of ROLE-PLAY game. One in which we the fans were given a level of control never before offered in the console video game. That's what drew us in. Mass Effect gave us a premade character from the start so it wasn't as jarring to have Shepard back for ME2. But how would the fans have liked it had BioWare completely eliminated Shepard and brought out a whole new character for ME2? I doubt it would have been well received. And that is what they've done with Dragon Age by removing the Warden, especially when we weren't given any REAL closure.
Now that BioWare has drawn us in they're going back on everything they promised Dragon Age would be and turning the sequel into a fantasy ME2 rip-off. Not okay.
Ah, but that the Problem...My Warden is just like any other character I made and play as:
The Vault dweller, The main character from Dragon Quest 8 that guy from Star wars Jedi academy.
Just another game character.
Also, I could care less where about Shale, She was funny but that's it. Her whole, Human sucks, golems are better rants got on my nerve.
Sten? Sten had a job to do like the warden. To me, his clousure was done.
Leliana...You right, I would love to hear from her.
Morrigan...My main warden took it., the other characters? Not so much.
And besides, isn't the DR optional? You can do it (No pun intended) or anyone else.
Zev you can kill...even though I kept him alive and let him go around the world.
To me, we had two driffrent playthroughs.
You're missing the point. And for the record, Zevran isn't the only character you can kill off. You can kill nearly ALL of them off if you want to. Leliana, Wynne, Oghren, Sten, etc. And just because you're not interested in Shale's story doesn't mean it's okay to leave so much left to speculation. Shale was only one example of how much is left missing.
The fact that you can kill of some of the characters doesn't stop them from being there in the future. Zevran made a cameo in Awakening, as did Leliana and Wynne. Oghren was actually a party member.
The whole 'The Warden can't be in the sequel because he/she can refuse the DR and die in Origins' holds absolutely NO weight. Because even if you did kill your Warden off, you can still import him into Awakening, Amgarrak and Witch Hunt. Most agree that the DR ending is likely to be more canon and for very good reasons.
I played DA:O multiple times and tried every option. I still feel the Warden should return. It's just not the same without him. If you felt no connection to a character you made yourself, named yourself and chose what sort of person he/she would be then, well... You're in the minority there, I think. To most of us, the Warden wasn't just another video game character because we had more say in his personality.
I would be willing to bet small sums of money that you will get some sort of closure on almost all of these NPCs at a later date...it may be similar to the kind of closure you got seeing Wynne in Awakenings (you know, empty, not at all stylized to what kind of interaction you had with her). It may be as simple as overhearing a couple of NPCs talking about them but Bioware isn't so foolish as to leave out obvious ties to the original and they do love their inside jokes and refrences. Hence the silly amount of BG quips in DA1.
I doubt most agree the DR ending will be the cannon ending. In fact I think, considering your major choices will be imported from DA1 that the 'cannon ending' will be a likely result of whatever your warden did (therefor no cannon ending persay). I think you underestimate the amount of people who refused the DR ending because it's cheapens the game and flies against the morality of their character. Seriously, how many of you ran across Thedas for most of the game the valiant do-gooder just to pull a 180 and sac your unborn child to some ritual with some chick who's been lying to you the whole time just to save your own butt?
I'd like to know how exactly you all expect Bioware to push out a quality sequal for YOUR warden given the extreme amount of endings that were available to us. In one corner we have a female dwarf turned paragon, in another we have a female human who opted to marry Alistair and become queen, in yet another we have a male elf who decided to run off with Zev and adventure. How the hell do you expect them to pump out a sequal of any real quality given all of those variations? You don't...you expect them to pump out a sequal for your warden specifically, and that is more than a little niave. If Bioware caved in and did this all we would get is a shinier looking Awakenings.
Too much of this I've already addressed multiple times, so I won't bother repeating myself yet again. If you don't want to read my other posts for answers to the questions posed in this post, oh well.
Anyway, no, I don't want something specific to MY Warden. I want THE Warden back. And it's not only possible, it's plausible, even if you are unable to see it. They could easily bring back old characters like Zevran and Leliana to be playable in a sequel. And if we can import information from DA:O there's no reason those characters couldn't or wouldn't acknowledge the Warden as their lover. Simple, really.
And for the whole Alastair queen thing, well, if the Queen of Ferelden is a Grey Warden she's at perfect liberty to continue with her adventures. Or it it give a brief dialogue about her and Alastair going their separate ways .Of if she remains the Queen, there could be little things like a common greeting her as "O-oh! You...your Majesty! I hardly expected to see YOU here!" Little things like that make all the difference and they're not hard to do if you have any imagination whatsoever. That isn't why BioWare chose not to return the Warden in DA2 so spare me.
And you will never be able to justify their decision to make the character for the next game a human and a human only. There is no justification. None. If you can't imagine the Warden returning, then I suppose you defend their decision to force us to play a human as well? I've said before that if they refuse to bring the Warden back, then I would be willing to play again if they let us make our OWN characters again. Not some human John Doe that they're bent on shoving down our throats.
Defend BioWare blindly all you want, I don't care. There's no excuse for the direction they've taken or for the way they've handled this story. They made promises to us and now YOU expect us to be fine with having those promises broken. If BioWare can't fulfill their end of the bargain then they shouldn't have started it in the first place. Don't start something that you can't finish. BioWare isn't switching to Hawke because it'd be too difficult to bring back the Warden, they're switching to Hawke because they're trying to mainstream this game and because Hawke allows them to implement more voice acting for the main character. That is NO assumption, it's what BioWare themselves have flat out ADMITTED.
Added: As for the DR not being canon? Oh yes, I think it just might be. The God-child is turning out to be very important to Morrigan and Flemeth's story.
I don't follow Bioware blindly. In fact I have almost nothing positive to say about them at the moment (read any of my other posts for proof...most of it is "you suck bioware /rage ect.). My arguments are limited to DLC quality, bugs and continuity issues though. The stuff we should be arguing about. For the life of me I can never get over the audacity of some people telling a narrarator how to tell their story.
What you want, at best, is another Awakenings. At worst what you are asking for is for Bioware to come to your house and tailor make a game to play out exactly as you want it to, sod the thousands upon thousands of other minute variations we all experienced. There is nothing wrong with that but, like I said, it's a little naive.
I'm sorry you are not getting what you want but I'm glad you are not getting your wish for the sake of everyone who didn't create a warden exactly the same way you did.
First, and insulting nature of your posts aside, everything you just said that right there concerning me? Wrong. And unwarranted. Is it wrong that I, and if you paid attention to the other people here, and many others want closure? Is it wrong that we'd like to see more done with our Warden? A sequel with the Warden isn't impossible and no, it wouldn't be another Awakening if they put any modicum of effort into it. And please, don't play the 'for the sake of everyone' nonsense as if you care. Because, from what I can see here and everywhere else that I've looked, most people are saying the same thing I am. Don't you dare try to make it out as if I'm protesting this for myself.
So, unless you can talk to me without being patronizing and judgemental, leave off. I won't repeat myself for you and until you have anything civil to say, I'm not interested.
One last thing. BioWare isn't just a narrator telling a story. They're a company marketing a product with the intention of making money off of it. That's a service and if a costumer is unhappy with that service they have a right to say so.
Added: You conveniently ignored it when I said I would also be happy with getting the freedom to create a new character of my own again if they choose to truly get rid of the Warden. You seem solely interested in insulting ME and ignoring the fact that I am just one of many voices that are saying the SAME thing,
You blew right over me saying I was largely opposed to having a cardboard cutout human stuffed down my throat and that I wouldn't be so upset if I was given the liberty of making a new character with my race of choice. Or when I mentioned that, barring the Warden, I'd love to be able to play his son.
So, seriously? Go harrass someone else.
Modifié par Lethvienne, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:37 .
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