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[standardpack]

filetemo wrote...

xistfirat wrote...

did the fix come for morrigan telling you refused her in the ritual although you didn't ?

yes

Wait, what?  Where is it?

[Antaress]

standardpack wrote...

filetemo wrote...

xistfirat wrote...

did the fix come for morrigan telling you refused her in the ritual although you didn't ?

yes

Wait, what?  Where is it?

it  will be out soon (hope)

[Morrigans God son]

Dormiglione wrote...

There's a huge gap between the advertising and the delivered Witch Hunt DLC. Look on the Homepage http://dragonage.bio...dao/witch_hunt/ one Key Feature is: Confront Morrigan in this dramatic conclusion to the Origins storyline.

And tell me: How much of the DLC was about Morrigan?

5 minutes at the end. I'm not happy with it, don't get me wrong I was glad for more Morrigan time, but Morrigan's story deserved more than a DLC.

[Pygmali0n]

Morrigan's God Son and Antaress - yes we all get it - I was/am annoyed as well and posted way more than usual - just give it a rest, it's gone past counter-productive - the only convincing you're going to do now is that you're slightly unhinged and unreasonable, which weakens the points you've already made many times over.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[PanosSmirnakos]

Antaress wrote...

ndaa
http://www.gamespot....nt-video-review

The website and the reviewer which gave DA:O a 9.5 / 10, rated Witch Hunt a 5/10? Well, this says something, but it's not unexpected because I fully agree with Gamespot's comments and the rating. This last DLC was very disappointing and gave a bad finale to a brilliant RPG like DA:O. Again, I had the feeling that I was playing an amateur home made module and not a product from a huge studio like Bioware. IMO the whole DLC thing for Origins was a failure quality-wise. If they were given for free like the extra modules of the Witcher or DA:O's stone prisoner then it would be OK. But to support with your money a 1-2 hour/s long product which also needs a patch to experience it as it should be, is ridiculous. Then companies complain that piracy harms the gaming industry. How ironic.

Modifié par PanosSmirnakos, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Antaress]

Pygmali0n wrote...

Morrigan's God Son and Antaress - yes we all get it - I was/am annoyed as well and posted way more than usual - just give it a rest, it's gone past counter-productive - the only convincing you're going to do now is that you're slightly unhinged and unreasonable, which weakens the points you've already made many times over.

ehh guess  there is no choice  I will have to wait and see what will happend

Modifié par Antaress, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[harrier25699]

Ok. I have purchased and played LotSB and WH dlc. LotSB is awesome, but that is for a different forum. WH is... is..:



1. Complete and Utter s**t?

2. (Persuade) Not too bad but still way too short.

3. (Intimidate) The worst dlc ever and a complete waste of money!

4. <Attack BioWare>



I choose 3.

[Wivvix]

The only DLC which I felt was any justice to Origins was Golems of Amgarrak, and even that barely made the grade.

Witch Hunt and Leliana's Song were complete and utter rubbish. Neither actually concluded the questions or issues they claimed to address; both left the core issues wide open and unexplained. About the last 2 minutes of Witch Hunt actually involved Morrigan and again, it concluded/resolved absolutely nothing.

Bioware won't be getting another cent from me until a whole round of reviews of their products have been published from here on. It's not the cost, it's the fact they aren't delivering what they claim to.

Modifié par Wivvix, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:03 .

[Merlin 47]

@Theagg:

Yes, I do agree with the fact that they "gave up" on their original direction bothers me.  For Mass Effect, it works; I don't know why, but having someone voice Shepard works.  But when it comes to Dragon Age?  No....I don't want that character voiced.

You are right about not wanting your Warden to make a cameo in DA 2.  I don't want that either.  The only way I want my Warden involved in DA is to be the main character.

[What?]

I was disappointed. The only part I liked was my Warden finally got back with Morrigan. However, I then realized that there's no post-game save, thus I'll be unable to import the outcome data into DA2. There going to be a patch released to remedy that?

[Valus]

Pygmali0n wrote...

Valus wrote...

For the life of me I can never get over the audacity of some people telling a narrarator how to tell their story.

There can be levels of impertinence but you're not playing an RPG as an RPG, it's also our story. I also take it that you didn't hand over your cash to play this game? I'm not a great fan of working out imagined rights about what you can or can't do, but Bioware have said on these forums that opinions are welcome.

Nope, I bought it. Didn't like it but I bought it. My qualms were related to all the bugs people were getting (not me personally, but I've read enough about it to know it is epidemic) and the obviously rushed design of it all. My arguments are isolated to that (i.e. using the same maps over and over again, broken mechanics, maybe testing their product before the ship it for once, the technical stuff). I'd never presume to tell them how to write their setting much like I don't write up WOTC and tell them I think wood elves are stupid and should get rid of them (but they are and they should). Maybe it's the old school P&P in me but something I don't see any sense in is telling the GM how to run his fantasy setting because it's his setting and he is way more attached to it than you will ever be.

People are free to fret all they want regarding how the Devs weave this tale. It's just not going to have any impact whatsoever and I wonder if they realize that. As far as this being "Also our story too", perhaps, but apparently not enough to matter. For as much as we might all love our Wardens I can bet you that Gaider, Kristjansen and the rest love their setting a hundred times more and they, whether you like it or not, are the ones who will be writing this, not us.

[Merlin 47]

VictorianTrash wrote...

I was disappointed. The only part I liked was my Warden finally got back with Morrigan. However, I then realized that there's no post-game save, thus I'll be unable to import the outcome data into DA2. There going to be a patch released to remedy that?

No....DA 2 will be a brand new person by the name of Hawke.  This the end (apparently; or at least for now) the story of the Warden.

[standardpack]

Merlin 47 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

I was disappointed. The only part I liked was my Warden finally got back with Morrigan. However, I then realized that there's no post-game save, thus I'll be unable to import the outcome data into DA2. There going to be a patch released to remedy that?

No....DA 2 will be a brand new person by the name of Hawke.  This the end (apparently; or at least for now) the story of the Warden.

You can still import your choices into DA2, and they said there was supposed to be a post-game save after your choices in WH.  Which they said they will be fixing.

[What?]

standardpack wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

I was disappointed. The only part I liked was my Warden finally got back with Morrigan. However, I then realized that there's no post-game save, thus I'll be unable to import the outcome data into DA2. There going to be a patch released to remedy that?

No....DA 2 will be a brand new person by the name of Hawke.  This the end (apparently; or at least for now) the story of the Warden.

You can still import your choices into DA2, and they said there was supposed to be a post-game save after your choices in WH.  Which they said they will be fixing.

So they're gonna fix it? Sweet deal. I take it that the update will be automatic on XBL? Ah well. Thanks for the answer, dude. Now I'm gonna go work on my fresh ME run so I can start-up LotSB.

[macrocarl]

VictorianTrash wrote...

I was disappointed. The only part I liked was my Warden finally got back with Morrigan. However, I then realized that there's no post-game save, thus I'll be unable to import the outcome data into DA2. There going to be a patch released to remedy that?

Yes. They confirmed they are working on a post-game save.

[XOGHunter246]

I am very doubtfull of the 1 -2 hours thing more like 50 mins. I was expecting some answers all I got was these weird Companions who the hell are they? So instead I decided to end things with that witch and stabbed her lol take that for making me get excited for this DLC. To me I think this DLC was rushed or otherwise Bioware could not be bothered to make it what it could of been. I am disappointed if honest I thought it might of been similar to awakening in length it could of easly been the same amount of gamplay time if more was added like Companion quest just so the fans could actually get to know them properly or even few side quests at least. Even the last boss was way too easy compared to the others.

[Thepeak12]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

I am very doubtfull of the 1 -2 hours thing more like 50 mins. I was expecting some answers all I got was these weird Companions who the hell are they? So instead I decided to end things with that witch and stabbed her lol take that for making me get excited for this DLC. To me I think this DLC was rushed or otherwise Bioware could not be bothered to make it what it could of been. I am disappointed if honest I thought it might of been similar to awakening in length it could of easly been the same amount of gamplay time if more was added like Companion quest just so the fans could actually get to know them properly or even few side quests at least. Even the last boss was way too easy compared to the others.

The reason why it doesnt have the companion quests is because it is DLC and not an expansion.

[XOGHunter246]

Thepeak12 wrote...

The reason why it doesnt have the companion quests is because it is DLC and not an expansion.

Good point there but even so maybe no companion quest but they still could of made it longer as it was the final DLC for DAO.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:23 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Theagg wrote...

Valus wrote...

I doubt most agree the DR ending will be the cannon ending. In fact I think, considering your major choices will be imported from DA1 that the 'cannon ending' will be a likely result of whatever your warden did (therefor no cannon ending persay). I think you underestimate the amount of people who refused the DR ending because it's cheapens the game and flies against the morality of their character. Seriously, how many of you ran across Thedas for most of the game the valiant do-gooder  just to pull a 180 and sac your unborn child to some ritual with some chick who's been lying to you the whole time just to save your own butt?

I

Well, as a do-gooder, my warden nonetheless did the DR because of the somewhat underhand and slightly dubious nature of recruitment to the Grey Wardens. You know the format, in which the truth about how it would affect your own life is not revealed until its too late, ( ie, joining will kill you slowly and horribly ) and the fate of those who decided last minute, it wasn't the career path they had in mind and thus wanted to leave was instant dismissal ( a sword in the gut )

Duncan's less than impressive rhetoric about why he had to kill Jory and that effectively  being the fate for all who decide they don't want to drink, and the fate of those who do is not much better, left her with a queasy feeling about the whole blood cult known as "The Grey Wardens".

She did the job though because greater needs must and all that stuff. But she was not happy about being lied to, or having that kind of truth kept from her. Initially she imagined it would be just like signing up for a special task force when the idea of the Wardens was put to her. Duncan's summary exuction of Jory, for no other reason that he was scared and thus wanted to go back home to his wife and expectant child hit her really hard and so did the realisation, after being effectively forced to drink the blood on pain of death, that it would kill her anyway.

So she did her duty, took out the Arch Demon but given all that, didn't feel she had to then sacrifcie her life for that kind of secretive organisation then and there, she could do far more good living, so took the opportunity Morrigan presented to her..

So heck no, choosing to have the warden live and do the DR does not cheapen the game, not at all.

I really like your approach to that decision, Theagg. That's why it's called "roleplaying" game. My Wardens chose to take Morrigan's offer as well in my two playthroughs, for very different reasons. As an example:

My brave and righteous Cousland (a do-gooder if you've ever seen one) would have easily sacrificed himself for the greater good. But his main concerns were the well-being of his friends and to secure peace and unity in Ferelden after the Blight. Alistair's survival was necessary for that, but the Warden knew that his friend would also need him to deal with the Queen's own plans and ambitions. Plus until the end he never get the chance to learn wether his brother was alive or not, possibly making him the only one to keep up his families legacy in the teyrnir of Highever. And, very important, he considered Morrigan a friend and - believe it or not - trusted her.

So yeah, choosing to have the warden live and do the DR does not cheapen the game in any way.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

The DR  is NOT canon.  See the DA2, "What we Know so far..." thread at: http://social.biowar...1/index/3064634

And while one didn't really have much flexibility in how to traverse through the locations and events in WH, it still takes somewhere around two hours of game-play to get to the Dragon Bone Wastes.  That's about the same as the other "self-contained" DLCs: RtO, WK, LS, and GoA. (I won't acknowledge "The DLC Which Must Not Be Named".)

My only real complaints with WH  come at the very, very last moments.  And they're all around, what in a live-action film would be called, "cinematography and editing".  Too many jerky, and seemingly random, cuts from one POV to another through the climax.  Plus, could we PUH-leeeeeze  not have the totally inappropriate freeze-frame for the internal game-state save just before the credits?  Fer cryin' out loud... Cut to Black or something!  No matter what ending "occurs", we should not see the two of them standing in front of the Eluvian at that point!

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:05 .

[Theagg]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I really like your approach to that decision, Theagg. That's why it's called "roleplaying" game. My Wardens chose to take Morrigan's offer as well in my two playthroughs, for very different reasons. As an example:

My brave and righteous Cousland (a do-gooder if you've ever seen one) would have easily sacrificed himself for the greater good. But his main concerns were the well-being of his friends and to secure peace and unity in Ferelden after the Blight. Alistair's survival was necessary for that, but the Warden knew that his friend would also need him to deal with the Queen's own plans and ambitions. Plus until the end he never get the chance to learn wether his brother was alive or not, possibly making him the only one to keep up his families legacy in the teyrnir of Highever. And, very important, he considered Morrigan a friend and - believe it or not - trusted her.

So yeah, choosing to have the warden live and do the DR does not cheapen the game in any way.

Indeed and it also disappoints me that some would seek to invalidate other players 'role playing experience' by suggesting their decisions were 'cheap' and therefore somehow not the right way to play the game, since no particular ending seems to be canon, ( and in a multi choice, multi threaded narrative, its not exactly to the players benefit to make one thread...canon ! ) then all endings are equally 'valid'.

I'm certainly not criticising their choice to play the Ultimate Sacrifice route for example..

Modifié par Theagg, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[Rikudou Sennin]

if u guys want my opinion on witch Hunt here: http://www.youtube.c...u/0/vmiGLIVEFjI

a british players view, btw i am a girl.

[Valus]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Valus wrote...

I doubt most agree the DR ending will be the cannon ending. In fact I think, considering your major choices will be imported from DA1 that the 'cannon ending' will be a likely result of whatever your warden did (therefor no cannon ending persay). I think you underestimate the amount of people who refused the DR ending because it's cheapens the game and flies against the morality of their character. Seriously, how many of you ran across Thedas for most of the game the valiant do-gooder  just to pull a 180 and sac your unborn child to some ritual with some chick who's been lying to you the whole time just to save your own butt?

I

Well, as a do-gooder, my warden nonetheless did the DR because of the somewhat underhand and slightly dubious nature of recruitment to the Grey Wardens. You know the format, in which the truth about how it would affect your own life is not revealed until its too late, ( ie, joining will kill you slowly and horribly ) and the fate of those who decided last minute, it wasn't the career path they had in mind and thus wanted to leave was instant dismissal ( a sword in the gut )

Duncan's less than impressive rhetoric about why he had to kill Jory and that effectively  being the fate for all who decide they don't want to drink, and the fate of those who do is not much better, left her with a queasy feeling about the whole blood cult known as "The Grey Wardens".

She did the job though because greater needs must and all that stuff. But she was not happy about being lied to, or having that kind of truth kept from her. Initially she imagined it would be just like signing up for a special task force when the idea of the Wardens was put to her. Duncan's summary exuction of Jory, for no other reason that he was scared and thus wanted to go back home to his wife and expectant child hit her really hard and so did the realisation, after being effectively forced to drink the blood on pain of death, that it would kill her anyway.

So she did her duty, took out the Arch Demon but given all that, didn't feel she had to then sacrifcie her life for that kind of secretive organisation then and there, she could do far more good living, so took the opportunity Morrigan presented to her..

So heck no, choosing to have the warden live and do the DR does not cheapen the game, not at all.

I really like your approach to that decision, Theagg. That's why it's called "roleplaying" game. My Wardens chose to take Morrigan's offer as well in my two playthroughs, for very different reasons. As an example:

My brave and righteous Cousland (a do-gooder if you've ever seen one) would have easily sacrificed himself for the greater good. But his main concerns were the well-being of his friends and to secure peace and unity in Ferelden after the Blight. Alistair's survival was necessary for that, but the Warden knew that his friend would also need him to deal with the Queen's own plans and ambitions. Plus until the end he never get the chance to learn wether his brother was alive or not, possibly making him the only one to keep up his families legacy in the teyrnir of Highever. And, very important, he considered Morrigan a friend and - believe it or not - trusted her.

So yeah, choosing to have the warden live and do the DR does not cheapen the game in any way.

Ugh, once more people take things out of context and way too personally...

"I think you underestimate the amount of people who refused the DR
ending because it's cheapens the game and flies against the morality of
their character."

I was talking about the people who declined the DR, not calling everyone who took it a cheater. In fact I took the DR once because it fit that time. The point I was making is that to think the DR will become cannon is, to me, wrong. Afterall, if they will be making personal choices cannon then why stop there? How about who took the throne in Orz, will that become cannon too? Loghain's death or release. Cannon or no? Alistair king or drunken whino? These things will remain vague or, like the devs have already mentioned in Q&A chat, incorporated afterthoughts in the sequal dependant upon which Warden you import (I think the ME2 model is a pretty good representation of what we can expect, just an echo with no real substance, probably less so considering you aren't even the same char and in a different region). I see the DR as being no more poignant than any of the other major choices of the game. In fact, by actions, the Devs have already said as much. Think about why Oghren and Morrigan are the only concrete reappearances in all further DLC and expansions. Because you, at no time, get the opportunity to kill them or horribly alter thier personal motivations for the future (i.e. by killing them or something). They could have just as easily made a DLC for Leliana future and not her past but some of us killed her when she went all jesus freak with the urn and it doesn't make alot of sense to alienate a percentage of players when they could just as easily avoid the subject entirely (efftectively alienating all of us a little for the sake of not alienating some of us alot). If you decided to kill old lady in the Circle, guess what? She isn't even in Awakenings to treat you like some stranger she went to highschool with and you miss out on one measly quest....no real impact whatsoever and alters nothing about the game as a whole. I expect that to be the underlying theme with all of your choices.

[tbsking]

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Modifié par tbsking, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[warden nino]

Hell that was fun,,,Poked Mo right into chest.Couldn't deserve better being what she really is