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[Bryy_Miller]

And what is that?

[Valus]

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

I think having Oghren was a wise move because of that very reason. I liked him and you are right, he was probably woefully underpicked because of progression and the fact that you could not sex him up (and oh how i tried). However would it have made much sense to have Zev in it instead of Oghren? Not unless Zev was a zombie....hmm, maybe not such a wise move afterall. Putting Oghren in was clever clever clever. It offered something familiar no matter who you were and avoided any unnecessary continuity issues.

[tbsking]

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same, DA2 keeps trucking on and the whole point to it is lost. The major implications is that Morrigan wants the baby for reasons she can't tell you, that Flemeth wanted it for reasons unknown, and that becomes very ominous and very foreboding if you did the DR.

But then it doesn't matter. It makes a difference of literally one line of dialogue. It doesn't do anything and that's it. Whether or not you go with Morrigan, kill her, leave her be, whether or not you did the DR, it just doesn't matter.

And that's upsetting. That's why WH is such a disappointment. If it doesn't matter, then why is it played up so important? Why is it *the* most important decision you can make?

All you get is "Flemeth is really bad, change is coming, buy DA2, goodnight".

[matn35]

I am dissapointed, sorry Bioware but you won't get any more of my money until i'm really conviced of a next game.

[Lethvienne]

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Modifié par Lethvienne, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:10 .

[warden nino]

Umm Bryy do u really want me to answer that..cause is kind of word girls really don't like

[Lethvienne]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same, DA2 keeps trucking on and the whole point to it is lost. The major implications is that Morrigan wants the baby for reasons she can't tell you, that Flemeth wanted it for reasons unknown, and that becomes very ominous and very foreboding if you did the DR.

But then it doesn't matter. It makes a difference of literally one line of dialogue. It doesn't do anything and that's it. Whether or not you go with Morrigan, kill her, leave her be, whether or not you did the DR, it just doesn't matter.

And that's upsetting. That's why WH is such a disappointment. If it doesn't matter, then why is it played up so important? Why is it *the* most important decision you can make?

All you get is "Flemeth is really bad, change is coming, buy DA2, goodnight".

Ooh! Sorry for the doubt post, but I just HAD to quote this. Excellent post! And all too true. Quoted for EMPHASIS!

I won't even bother adding anything to it. Perfect as is.

[Emyer]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same, DA2 keeps trucking on and the whole point to it is lost. The major implications is that Morrigan wants the baby for reasons she can't tell you, that Flemeth wanted it for reasons unknown, and that becomes very ominous and very foreboding if you did the DR.

But then it doesn't matter. It makes a difference of literally one line of dialogue. It doesn't do anything and that's it. Whether or not you go with Morrigan, kill her, leave her be, whether or not you did the DR, it just doesn't matter.

And that's upsetting. That's why WH is such a disappointment. If it doesn't matter, then why is it played up so important? Why is it *the* most important decision you can make?

All you get is "Flemeth is really bad, change is coming, buy DA2, goodnight".

I'd wait until the overweight lady sings to proclaim it doesn't matter, the only real change between sparing the Rachni Queen from ME1 to ME2 is a few lines of dialogue(And the same goes for a lot of big decisions), but in ME3 you will have an army of Rachni helping you against the Reapers, I expect DA to follow a similar format, all games will craft the path to some sort of Ultimate Event whose outcome  will be heavily influenced by the decisions you made in DAO,DA2, DA3?, DA...

That's my opinion on it at least

[OriginsIsBest]

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Welcome back.

[Bryy_Miller]

warden nino wrote...

Umm Bryy do u really want me to answer that..cause is kind of word girls really don't like

I really, really hope that you don't have this attitude towards women in real life. This "what you really are" attitude.

[OriginsIsBest]

I think everybody is bashing the hell out of Witch Hunt because Morrigan's story had so much potential. Instead Bioware handed us a DLC, which Morrigan talked at the end for what 5minutes? And answered next to nothing.



Hopefully in DA3, Bioware get their act together and bring back Morrigan & Flemeth, maybe the godbaby if you did the dark ritual.



DLC was okay for those who romanced Morrigan, but still should of been alot better.

[Bryy_Miller]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...



But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.



EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same

No, it doesn't. That's just a bug.

[tbsking]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same

No, it doesn't. That's just a bug.

Bug regardless she doesn't answer questions or tell you anything substantive. In esssence, WH ends the same. She just plays up Flemeth and change and then it's the end.

[OriginsIsBest]

Basically, Witch hunt was an advertisement for DA2.

[Bryy_Miller]

tbsking wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same

No, it doesn't. That's just a bug.

Bug regardless she doesn't answer questions or tell you anything substantive. In esssence, WH ends the same. She just plays up Flemeth and change and then it's the end.

You can:
1) walk away
2) stab her
3) go through the mirror with her (friend or romanced)

[Theagg]

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

[tbsking]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...

But there is definite implication that for Morrigan or Flemeth the DR will have reverberating consequences. I think that's what upsets people who are "fans" of the DR; there aren't any reverberating consequences by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: and I thought the "official" explanation for Oghren being a Warden was because players didn't get a whole lot of time with him, seeing as many do Orzammar last.

Results are still the same, DR or no. I think, if nothing else (and I really mean nothing else because Witch Hunt sucked that bad), they were trying to tell us that the DR is not a big deal. It alters nothing of what is coming. "Ritual was just herald of what is to come ect" or "you denied me the ritual but it doesn't change what is to come" blah blah blah.

That's the problem. The DR is the most important decision that can be made in Origins, but amounts to nothing in the long run. If you do it, if you don't, WH ends the same

No, it doesn't. That's just a bug.

Bug regardless she doesn't answer questions or tell you anything substantive. In esssence, WH ends the same. She just plays up Flemeth and change and then it's the end.

You can:
1) walk away
2) stab her
3) go through the mirror with her (friend or romanced)

Exactly. But it's all the same. She doesn't answer anything, nothing comes of your earlier decisions. If you stab her, she falls through the mirror. If you leave her, she goes through the mirror. If you stay with her, she goes through the mirror.

She doesn't answer questions, she only gives cryptic statements referencing DA2. That's it. Nothing happens.

[Brockololly]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Basically, Witch hunt was an advertisement for DA2 DA3

*fixed;)

[Lethvienne]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Basically, Witch hunt was an advertisement for DA2.

Sad, but true. It was BioWare's $7 way of introducing Flemeth for their shiny new game.

If they want to advertise their game, fine, but they've no right to trick their fans into paying for it by passing it off as an alleged conclusion to Origins. All just to milk the fans of DA:O a little more before DA2. <_<

It was just an overall rotten thing to do.

Modifié par Lethvienne, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:34 .

[Lethvienne]

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

[Bryy_Miller]

tbsking wrote...

Exactly. But it's all the same. She doesn't answer anything, nothing comes of your earlier decisions.

Except the God Child/Child is referenced, and if you are her friend, you can go through the mirror, and if you romanced her, you can go through the mirror. The Dark Ritual carries over. If you want to complain that it DOESN'T, that's just untrue. You can't say that it doesn't because of a bug. Many people, including me, have found a fix for said bug. It's not an IDEAL fix and it's not an official BioWare fix, but it's a fix. Just import your post-epilogue save.

But anyways. It sounds like you are just trying to give the fact that you didn't like the story more credibility. 

[Valus]

[/quote]


And that's upsetting. That's why WH is such a disappointment. If it doesn't matter, then why is it played up so important? Why is it *the* most important decision you can make?

All you get is "Flemeth is really bad, change is coming, buy DA2, goodnight".

[/quote]

Is it THE most important decision we can make? Perhaps for some it is. I always considered whether or not purchasing Leliana a nug to be the most crucial story arc to this game. I mean it makes her happy but it clutters up the camp site, an obvious hygene issue sitting that close to Leliana's large wheel of cheese. Oghren threatens to eat it. The party starts to break down and nothing really feels the same afterwards. It's a huge decision and one I still am uncertain as to whether or not I made the correct choice. The burden of being a Warden I suppose.

The point is that while the DR might have been *the* most important to some it's not even an issue to others. The show must go on regardless of whether or not you did the nasty with the swamp witch. I think that is what WH was trying to tell you....in a really bad low budget kind of way.

[OriginsIsBest]

Brockololly wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Basically, Witch hunt was an advertisement for DA2 DA3

*fixed;)

aha!  I hope Flemeth/godbaby/Morrigan is in DA3.........BIG EPIC SHOWDOWN FTW!

[OriginsIsBest]

Lethvienne wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

Do you loveeeeee it ?

[Bryy_Miller]

Valus wrote...

Is it THE most important decision we can make? Perhaps for some it is. I always considered whether or not purchasing Leliana a nug to be the most crucial story arc to this game. I mean it makes her happy but it clutters up the camp site, an obvious hygene issue sitting that close to Leliana's large wheel of cheese. Oghren threatens to eat it. The party starts to break down and nothing really feels the same afterwards. It's a huge decision and one I still am uncertain as to whether or not I made the correct choice. The burden of being a Warden I suppose.

The point is that while the DR might have been *the* most important to some it's not even an issue to others. The show must go on regardless of whether or not you did the nasty with the swamp witch. I think that is what WH was trying to tell you....in a really bad low budget kind of way.

I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions