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[Lethvienne]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Exactly. But it's all the same. She doesn't answer anything, nothing comes of your earlier decisions.

Except the God Child/Child is referenced, and if you are her friend, you can go through the mirror, and if you romanced her, you can go through the mirror. The Dark Ritual carries over. If you want to complain that it DOESN'T, that's just untrue. You can't say that it doesn't because of a bug. Many people, including me, have found a fix for said bug. It's not an IDEAL fix and it's not an official BioWare fix, but it's a fix. Just import your post-epilogue save.

But anyways. It sounds like you are just trying to give the fact that you didn't like the story more credibility. 

That isn't what he's talking about, Bryy.... Relax. He means that it doesn't mean much for Dragon Age II, since the scene is shifted to a completely different character. With a whole new story.

Witch Hunt just ended in another cliffhanger without really answering any of our questions. And since it's the LAST dlc for Origins... Well, can you blame him for being unhappy about it?

Modifié par Lethvienne, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[tbsking]

[quote]Valus wrote...



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And that's upsetting. That's why WH is such a disappointment. If it doesn't matter, then why is it played up so important? Why is it *the* most important decision you can make?

All you get is "Flemeth is really bad, change is coming, buy DA2, goodnight".

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Is it THE most important decision we can make? Perhaps for some it is. I always considered whether or not purchasing Leliana a nug to be the most crucial story arc to this game. I mean it makes her happy but it clutters up the camp site, an obvious hygene issue sitting that close to Leliana's large wheel of cheese. Oghren threatens to eat it. The party starts to break down and nothing really feels the same afterwards. It's a huge decision and one I still am uncertain as to whether or not I made the correct choice. The burden of being a Warden I suppose.

The point is that while the DR might have been *the* most important to some it's not even an issue to others. The show must go on regardless of whether or not you did the nasty with the swamp witch. I think that is what WH was trying to tell you....in a really bad low budget kind of way.

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I believe David Gaider himself - in reference to whether or not Morrigan gets the baby Warden notwithstanding - said that the DR was the most important choice in the game. Certainly the nug could be up there, though the ratio of happy Leliana to messy camp made it a no-brainer for me.

Certainly the show must go on, but why was the DR played up then? Certainly in one play through I "did the nasty" but in subsequent ones I played characters that either couldn't care a wit for Morrigan or had no intention of helping her. Each of those characters had to make an extremely important decision regardless.

However, for a DLC advertizing "revelations" and "confrontation" all this is treated as a rather aside thing. You know, despite it being the reason the Warden was kept alive, the reason Morrigan was with you, and a piece of Flemeth's master plan.

Perhaps the show does go on, as it does, but that doesn't change the fact that it's all so... underwhelming and leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

For some players confronting Morrigan is very important. Concluding the Warden is very important. Some don't care, and I suppose they're happy. But the ones that do care very much got the shaft.

I wanted some thrilling conclusion, closure even. WHat I got was a feeling of meh and a lighter wallet.

[Valus]

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

[Lethvienne]

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

[tbsking]

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Perhaps it's more like there was very little consequence, very little satisfaction, and very little feeling of "my Warden is finished".

[Lethvienne]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

Do you loveeeeee it ?

*smacks OriginsIsBest*

But yes, yes I do! I love tea! Green Tea and Wild Berry Zinger are the best! Yum.

[XOGHunter246]

It not just about the decision making it is about how everything was set up in WH most people are disappointed this was ment to be the one DLC everyone was looking forward too well they was till they played it anyway.
This time it understandable why the disappointment is there nobody wanted full answers but at least some sort of answer other then Flemeth is bad which most of us knew already would of been good. The Warden story has ended like this which is also annoying I would of prefered in DA2 another warden then Hawke as it would mean it is your  own character. Also the gameplay itself was just 100% no death game. It was far too easy even on nigthmare mode there was hardly any dialog with npcs also. Just like go there kill go here kill nothing else to add to effect. Only thing I can say was good was the environment. Also anybody noticed how Npcs sound too similar in most of the DLCs?

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:04 .

[Valus]

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

My mistake.

[Lethvienne]

Valus wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

My mistake.

I wasn't actually talking to you. But now that you mention it, yes, I suppose what I said DOES also apply to you. Thank you for the reminder. :innocent:

[OriginsIsBest]

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm "cranky" because a character like Morrigan should not of been in a DLC to begin with. Her story was worth far more.
Now we have to leave the warden's story behind, even though it isnt finished! ......and jump into this new character Hawke, who I don't give a flying toss about. I just want answers to my warden's story. Not Hawke's.

[Antaress]

well you can complain here

http://social.biowar...ndex/4745947/18

[OriginsIsBest]

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

Do you loveeeeee it ?

*smacks OriginsIsBest*

But yes, yes I do! I love tea! Green Tea and Wild Berry Zinger are the best! Yum.

Hey! let's not get into a slapping match over the internet!   
.............How embrassing.

*HAPPY SLAPS*

[Lethvienne]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

Do you loveeeeee it ?

*smacks OriginsIsBest*

But yes, yes I do! I love tea! Green Tea and Wild Berry Zinger are the best! Yum.

Hey! let's not get into a slapping match over the internet!   
.............How embrassing.

*HAPPY SLAPS*

I don't know the meaning of the word 'embarrassment'.


But fine! I won't slap you. Yet.

Unless you deserve it.

*blows a kiss instead*

[OriginsIsBest]

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Wow, just look at all the new posts since I've been away! I especially enjoyed Theagg's posts (did I spell that correctly? Sorry if I didn't). They were very well articulated and I loved his input and perspective.

Sooo much to read through! I think I might have missed quite a few, but I am happy to see other Warden supporters.

Thank you very much for the compliments and yes, spelling was spot on...( though sometimes people have 'mistakenly' labelled it as Teabagg. )

Talking of which, kettle has just bolied...

Teabagg!

I like it.<3

Do you loveeeeee it ?

*smacks OriginsIsBest*

But yes, yes I do! I love tea! Green Tea and Wild Berry Zinger are the best! Yum.

Hey! let's not get into a slapping match over the internet!   
.............How embrassing.

*HAPPY SLAPS*

I don't know the meaning of the word 'embarrassment'.


But fine! I won't slap you. Yet.

Unless you deserve it.

*blows a kiss instead*

STOP! We don't want to make a scene here.......well I mean a little scenes alright.
Ahhhh Oghren you are so smooth brother!

[Valus]

tbsking wrote...


....However, for a DLC advertizing "revelations" and "confrontation" all this is treated as a rather aside thing. You know, despite it being the reason the Warden was kept alive, the reason Morrigan was with you, and a piece of Flemeth's master plan.

Perhaps the show does go on, as it does, but that doesn't change the fact that it's all so... underwhelming and leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

For some players confronting Morrigan is very important. Concluding the Warden is very important. Some don't care, and I suppose they're happy. But the ones that do care very much got the shaft.

I wanted some thrilling conclusion, closure even. WHat I got was a feeling of meh and a lighter wallet.

You are absolutely correct that it was a trash thing to do and some very shifty advertising.

By the way did they alter the graphics and synopsis for the Witch Hunt advertisement? If I am not mistaken the entire promotion page for WH on the official DA website has been altered to downplay it more. I swear it used to promise a whole lot more than it does right now....had something like "Morrigan's fate revealed!" or some such nonsense.

[Valus]

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

My mistake.

I wasn't actually talking to you. But now that you mention it, yes, I suppose what I said DOES also apply to you. Thank you for the reminder. :innocent:

My mistake in reference to the gender. calm down.

[tbsking]

Valus wrote...

tbsking wrote...


....However, for a DLC advertizing "revelations" and "confrontation" all this is treated as a rather aside thing. You know, despite it being the reason the Warden was kept alive, the reason Morrigan was with you, and a piece of Flemeth's master plan.

Perhaps the show does go on, as it does, but that doesn't change the fact that it's all so... underwhelming and leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

For some players confronting Morrigan is very important. Concluding the Warden is very important. Some don't care, and I suppose they're happy. But the ones that do care very much got the shaft.

I wanted some thrilling conclusion, closure even. WHat I got was a feeling of meh and a lighter wallet.

You are absolutely correct that it was a trash thing to do and some very shifty advertising.

By the way did they alter the graphics and synopsis for the Witch Hunt advertisement? If I am not mistaken the entire promotion page for WH on the official DA website has been altered to downplay it more. I swear it used to promise a whole lot more than it does right now....had something like "Morrigan's fate revealed!" or some such nonsense.

I didn't notice any change, but I did notice that it says "You may find more than you bargained for" which is ironic. Because I found less. A lot less. Like nothing.

[Lethvienne]

Valus wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

My mistake.

I wasn't actually talking to you. But now that you mention it, yes, I suppose what I said DOES also apply to you. Thank you for the reminder. :innocent:

My mistake in reference to the gender. calm down.

*rolls her eyes* I think I'm just going to start ignoring you. You like assuming things way too much. I'm not upset or distressed in any way, thank you. I'm having fun here.

Where was I? Oh darn it, I forgot what I was going to say!

[OriginsIsBest]

I hate when I forget what I was about to say. I almost hate it as much as Hawke, but let's not get carried away lol

[Lethvienne]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

I hate when I forget what I was about to say. I almost hate it as much as Hawke, but let's not get carried away lol

I know! It's sooo annoying, isn't it? I still can't remember, either. 

Oh well, I'm sure it'll come back to me! Probably like five hours later.

[13Dannyboy13]

Valus wrote...

You are absolutely correct that it was a trash thing to do and some very shifty advertising.

By the way did they alter the graphics and synopsis for the Witch Hunt advertisement? If I am not mistaken the entire promotion page for WH on the official DA website has been altered to downplay it more. I swear it used to promise a whole lot more than it does right now....had something like "Morrigan's fate revealed!" or some such nonsense.

I seem to recall seeing that as well when I was looking into this dlc, and they changed it now? It really is too bad they didn't spend more time on this dlc and really make it longer and deeper, I was expecting alot more from the final dlc in terms of length and depth of the story, tying up loose ends etc. After playing it though I seem to have more questions than were answered, and no way to get any real answers in DA2, if I do eventually rent it when it comes out, and that's a big if.

[Bryy_Miller]

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Perhaps it's more like there was very little consequence, very little satisfaction, and very little feeling of "my Warden is finished".

I wouldn't call the creation of an entirely new character and/or plot points little consequence. I'm with you on the fact that is was short and revealed next to nothing, but treating that like script is the same thing as the Choice Mechanic is an ultimately flawed link to be making.

[tbsking]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Perhaps it's more like there was very little consequence, very little satisfaction, and very little feeling of "my Warden is finished".

I wouldn't call the creation of an entirely new character and/or plot points little consequence. I'm with you on the fact that is was short and revealed next to nothing, but treating that like script is the same thing as the Choice Mechanic is an ultimately flawed link to be making.

What I mean is, for the one person for whom it would matter most, there is no consequence. Whether you do the ritual, whether you attack Morrigan, the ending is the same: inconclusive, no finality, no answers. Whether or not you bought the DLC, you get the same treatment.

[Bryy_Miller]

tbsking wrote...

What I mean is, for the one person for whom it would matter most, there is no consequence. Whether you do the ritual, whether you attack Morrigan, the ending is the same: inconclusive, no finality, no answers. Whether or not you bought the DLC, you get the same treatment.

But who is to say what the default ending is? Definitely not stabbing her. I'd go as far as to say the default ending is going through the mirror. So while you are correct in that buying the DLC doesn't matter, it matters to those that want to shape the game universe in their image, just like those that want a Drunk Alistair in DA2.

Lethvienne wrote...

Valus wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...


I think people, just like with Mass Effect 2, are getting cranky because they wanted every single consequence to be Earth-shattering. When:
1) It was a $7 DLC.
2) It's impossible to actually change the entire game for everyone based on individual decisions

Right you are Sir.

Very wrong you are, ma'am.

You're at perfect liberty to think so, of course. You're just wrong. And it's impolite to make such assumptions. For shame!

Okay. Why am I wrong? Were you in in the Mass Effect forum days after ME2 came out? Unless you are implying that I think I know what every single person who hated ME2 thinks. Which would be an incredibly lame move on your part. I'm just going off of what I read, and what I read is people complaining about how none of their decisions had any consequence in ME2 aside from "e-mails thanking you wtf".

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:56 .

[DarkSpiral]

tbsking wrote...

What I mean is, for the one person for whom it would matter most, there is no consequence. Whether you do the ritual, whether you attack Morrigan, the ending is the same: inconclusive, no finality, no answers. Whether or not you bought the DLC, you get the same treatment.

Well, you are correct, of course.  I'm just not sure why so many people thought they were going to get conclusive answers in the first place.  We know Morrigan is going to feature in the future of Thedas, so we were farily sure ahead of time you couldn't kill her.  We also know that the policy Bioware us taking in the DA franchise (so far at least) is that every choice the player makes could happen, so they gave us the chance to act as our Warden would prefer (reconcile, attack, follow their lover, etc) but not actually spill an deets about a future they obviously intend to parcel out through many different games, probably over different media.  I got what I expected; closure.  The chacne to ask some questions I couldn't ask, the chance to see the effects of my choices on some of the parts of Thedas.  Not as mnay parts as I would have liked (I would have really loved a scene at the gate of Orzammer, for example), but the story flowed in a logical manner.  Would I have liked a few more answers?  Hell yes!  But I wasn't expecting many.