Gbone27 wrote...
Aldaris951 wrote...
Here's a random hint, if you didn't do the DR and you kill morrigan in the dlc the book at the end is green with a White circle on it. If you do the DR or spare her life then you get a black book. Try both endings and you will see the difference.
what if you didn't do DR and spare her life?
That is one stupid argument. The warden did not talk in dialog. therefore he was not fully voiced.Bryy_Miller wrote...
Theagg wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
You know, people seem to easily forget that your Warden was voiced.
I don't think the 'in combat' expletives ( Mine were 'sultry' ) count. Except as 'sound effects'.
A character talking is a sound effect. Of course.
Regardless of the amount of dialogue, you picked your character's voice at the beginning of the game.
The Warden was voiced.
Any argument against Hawke being voiced is, quite frankly, flawed.
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Theagg wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
You know, people seem to easily forget that your Warden was voiced.
I don't think the 'in combat' expletives ( Mine were 'sultry' ) count. Except as 'sound effects'.
A character talking is a sound effect. Of course.
Regardless of the amount of dialogue, you picked your character's voice at the beginning of the game.
The Warden was voiced.
Any argument against Hawke being voiced is, quite frankly, flawed.
Modifié par Lethvienne, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:02 .
Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:04 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
A character talking is a sound effect. Of course.
Regardless of the amount of dialogue, you picked your character's voice at the beginning of the game.
The Warden was voiced.
Any argument against Hawke being voiced is, quite frankly, flawed.
Modifié par Theagg, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
It doesn't matter if he talked in conversation or not. It really, really doesn't.
tbsking wrote...
Lethvienne wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
You know, people seem to easily forget that your Warden was voiced.
Erm, well not really. I don't think they're counting those short one liners during combat.
Other than those sparse phrases shouted as battle cries in combat, the Warden was a silent hero. When he spoke to anyone there was no voice, save for the voice of those speaking to the Warden. The little bit in combat didn't hurt player immersion the way a fully voiced character might have.
For the entirety of my first play through I thought Alistair just wouldn't shut up. Then I remembered having chosen a voice.
Theagg wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
A character talking is a sound effect. Of course.
Regardless of the amount of dialogue, you picked your character's voice at the beginning of the game.
The Warden was voiced.
Any argument against Hawke being voiced is, quite frankly, flawed.
No, the warden was not voiced..Its official, so I will quote it again here for you, in case you missed it the first time, from the creators mouth no less, ( not mine ) the co founder of Bioware, Mr Greg Zeschuk, as to why they made the warden silent....
"When we looked at "Dragon Age" we sat back and thought we wanted the player to reflect their own inner voice. This was a very conscious decision. It actually harkens back to our roots and it's actually what we've done in all our games up until "Mass Effect." And things like "KOTOR" have been pretty well-loved by the fans. [smiles] There's a lot of choices in this game about how you portray yourself and how you experience it. We wanted players to have an additional sense of -- even though I'm picking a line -- I'm the one saying it in my head."
Go tell him the warden was 'voiced'. So the arguments against Hawke being voiced stand up quite well. Sorry.....
Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
It doesn't matter if he talked in conversation or not. It really, really doesn't. You still picked his voice. Yes, you got to pick it, and yes, he did not speak to others, leaving you to have it in your head, but the very fact that people are arguing that Hawke should not have an individual, distinct because the Warden didn't is not true.
That is how the argument is flawed.
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Theagg wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
A character talking is a sound effect. Of course.
Regardless of the amount of dialogue, you picked your character's voice at the beginning of the game.
The Warden was voiced.
Any argument against Hawke being voiced is, quite frankly, flawed.
No, the warden was not voiced..Its official, so I will quote it again here for you, in case you missed it the first time, from the creators mouth no less, ( not mine ) the co founder of Bioware, Mr Greg Zeschuk, as to why they made the warden silent....
"When we looked at "Dragon Age" we sat back and thought we wanted the player to reflect their own inner voice. This was a very conscious decision. It actually harkens back to our roots and it's actually what we've done in all our games up until "Mass Effect." And things like "KOTOR" have been pretty well-loved by the fans. [smiles] There's a lot of choices in this game about how you portray yourself and how you experience it. We wanted players to have an additional sense of -- even though I'm picking a line -- I'm the one saying it in my head."
Go tell him the warden was 'voiced'. So the arguments against Hawke being voiced stand up quite well. Sorry.....
Once again, I am not talking about whether or not he was a voiced character. I'm talking about how picking his voice in the main creation menu negates the "Warden did not speak" arguments. The only way for the Warden NOT to speak is to mute the volume.
Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Once again, I am not talking about whether or not he was a voiced character. I'm talking about how picking his voice in the main creation menu negates the "Warden did not speak" arguments. The only way for the Warden NOT to speak is to mute the volume.
Lethvienne wrote...
You guys are fighting a losing battle, here.
I don't think reason and logic - or even direct quotes from BioWare developers - will make one whit of difference in this particular case.
Theagg wrote...
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Once again, I am not talking about whether or not he was a voiced character. I'm talking about how picking his voice in the main creation menu negates the "Warden did not speak" arguments. The only way for the Warden NOT to speak is to mute the volume.
You are trying to be too clever. The warden was silent, its official. Hawke is not, its official. Those arguing against Hawke being voiced are doing so on the grounds that Bioware themselves used for making the warden silent.
Address that issue , since you are close, it seems, to making the claim that those who disagree with the policy to voice Hawkes dialogue have no grounds for such dissent.
Modifié par OriginsIsBest, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:28 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
There are two things going on here:
1) BioWare says that the Warden is silent. And in the context of that quote, he is.
2) The Warden has a voice. But not for anything other than quips. So while the quote is still valid IN IT'S CONTEXT, there is wiggle room.
Please don't try to use a contextual quote from BioWare to prove that I'm an idiot, or something. The fact that you can pick a voice in the creation menu puts that BIo quote into perspective. Or at least, it should.
Theagg wrote...
And no, the choice of a 'sound effect' for your warden, a random one at that, as it doesn't always play in combat,
does not count in this respect.
Dave of Canada wrote...
Theagg wrote...
And no, the choice of a 'sound effect' for your warden, a random one at that, as it doesn't always play in combat,
does not count in this respect.
But it's still a voice for the Warden, is it not? When I read a line in my head with a specific voice, wouldn't the tileset that I attributed to my Warden sort of break that immersion case?
Theagg wrote...
Are you saying that those who disagree with Bioware's decision to voice Hawkes dialogue have no grounds for their disapproval ?
Theagg wrote...
This line of argument has a colour. It's red. And it smells fishy too. Like a herring.
Modifié par Hader102, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:46 .
Bryy_Miller wrote...
Theagg wrote...
Are you saying that those who disagree with Bioware's decision to voice Hawkes dialogue have no grounds for their disapproval ?
No. Are you even reading what I reply with? I am saying that it is a flawed argument. Flawed does not always equal invalid. They still have a beef with a voiced Hawke saying things in conversations. But to say that the Warden never had a voice is wrong.
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