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[Rikudou Sennin]

it's been half an hour and nobody has countered by post... Ha!

[s0meguy6665]

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 13 septembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[s0meguy6665]

tbsking wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

So, I'm going to buy a 1600 point card pretty soon, and can only choose 2/3 of the new Bioware content (Witch Hunt, Golems, Liara). So far, I'm leaning towards picking up Liara and Golems, then buying Witch Hunt a bit later, since it seems it's the final Dragon Age content and I want my character to play it last.

Would you guys say Witch Hunt provides closure? Is it a good send off for a character that I've really grown to love playing?

I'd say golems is better in terms of an actual challenge and length, it's the only dlc that wasn't easy to walk through on nightmare. Witch hunt was ok, but was quite short and not very challenging, not a whole lot of closure either for a last dlc.

i dont agree with what people are saying about there being no closure - what kind of closure do you want, your warden gets killed? that would really suck. what else could they do for closure?

Letting me know why Morrigan left/what she wanted with the Old God soul. Letting me know where she goes in the mirror, where I go. Letting me know the answers to all the hanging questions. More importantly, deliver a feeling of closure that says "yes, this is the end". As-is, this DLC doesn't do that. It's cryptic, vague, and lacks answers. It still leaves you feeling as though a lot is still up in the air.

oh, so you basically expected bioware to spoil DA2 (im sure the events will tie into DA2 somehow, otherwise the after-end save would be worthless since there will be nothing else to import it to, so i think it would be safe to assume that the choice of what to do with morrigan does matter, otherwise a pre-morrigan conversation save would have sufficed, and they are going out of their way to create an after-end save with a patch)

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 13 septembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[Ildaron]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

tbsking wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

So, I'm going to buy a 1600 point card pretty soon, and can only choose 2/3 of the new Bioware content (Witch Hunt, Golems, Liara). So far, I'm leaning towards picking up Liara and Golems, then buying Witch Hunt a bit later, since it seems it's the final Dragon Age content and I want my character to play it last.

Would you guys say Witch Hunt provides closure? Is it a good send off for a character that I've really grown to love playing?

I'd say golems is better in terms of an actual challenge and length, it's the only dlc that wasn't easy to walk through on nightmare. Witch hunt was ok, but was quite short and not very challenging, not a whole lot of closure either for a last dlc.

i dont agree with what people are saying about there being no closure - what kind of closure do you want, your warden gets killed? that would really suck. what else could they do for closure?

Letting me know why Morrigan left/what she wanted with the Old God soul. Letting me know where she goes in the mirror, where I go. Letting me know the answers to all the hanging questions. More importantly, deliver a feeling of closure that says "yes, this is the end". As-is, this DLC doesn't do that. It's cryptic, vague, and lacks answers. It still leaves you feeling as though a lot is still up in the air.

oh, so you basically expected bioware to spoil DA2 (im sure the events will tie into DA2 somehow, otherwise the after-end save would be worthless since there will be nothing else to import it to)

If delivering what they promised is spoiling DA2 then I am pretty sure I am making a great decsion in not purchasing DA:2. If DA:2 is soley about providing closure for DA:1 then it will be a sad game. I was under the impression DA:2 was about an epic 10 year adventure... of course U was lead to believe Witch Hunt would give me answers as well.

[s0meguy6665]

Ildaron wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

tbsking wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

So, I'm going to buy a 1600 point card pretty soon, and can only choose 2/3 of the new Bioware content (Witch Hunt, Golems, Liara). So far, I'm leaning towards picking up Liara and Golems, then buying Witch Hunt a bit later, since it seems it's the final Dragon Age content and I want my character to play it last.

Would you guys say Witch Hunt provides closure? Is it a good send off for a character that I've really grown to love playing?

I'd say golems is better in terms of an actual challenge and length, it's the only dlc that wasn't easy to walk through on nightmare. Witch hunt was ok, but was quite short and not very challenging, not a whole lot of closure either for a last dlc.

i dont agree with what people are saying about there being no closure - what kind of closure do you want, your warden gets killed? that would really suck. what else could they do for closure?

Letting me know why Morrigan left/what she wanted with the Old God soul. Letting me know where she goes in the mirror, where I go. Letting me know the answers to all the hanging questions. More importantly, deliver a feeling of closure that says "yes, this is the end". As-is, this DLC doesn't do that. It's cryptic, vague, and lacks answers. It still leaves you feeling as though a lot is still up in the air.

oh, so you basically expected bioware to spoil DA2 (im sure the events will tie into DA2 somehow, otherwise the after-end save would be worthless since there will be nothing else to import it to)

If delivering what they promised is spoiling DA2 then I am pretty sure I am making a great decsion in not purchasing DA:2. If DA:2 is soley about providing closure for DA:1 then it will be a sad game. I was under the impression DA:2 was about an epic 10 year adventure... of course U was lead to believe Witch Hunt would give me answers as well.

sigh... where did i say that DA2 would be about providing closure for DAO????? all i said was that importing the save would import the decisions you made.

[PSUHammer]

Ildaron wrote...

If delivering what they promised is spoiling DA2 then I am pretty sure I am making a great decsion in not purchasing DA:2. If DA:2 is soley about providing closure for DA:1 then it will be a sad game. I was under the impression DA:2 was about an epic 10 year adventure... of course U was lead to believe Witch Hunt would give me answers as well.

I guess this is the "glass half empty" opinion! 

I don't know, I enjoyed it...jesus, it was only a few bucks, folks. 

[s0meguy6665]

it is not at all what i said, not even close.

[foil-]

Rikudou Sennin wrote...

Depending on the time cuz since we know Flemeth is Raizale we might skip to get to knowher in da2 and move onto the last old god then Raizale will b the one The warden kills and dies with as Morrigan will finally see his/her death but as long as she's happy the warden is.

Do you mean: Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery ( http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Gods )

[s0meguy6665]

yes, thats what he means, but we dont know that at all, he's just making up some stuff. it would assume that all of her back-story as told by morrigan is totally untrue, as well as her legends.

[Theagg]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

Oh I don't know, although not an RPG, its been years since Gordon Freeman last stepped out, but I'm still looking forward to the next installment...

So I doubt fans will be that forgetful.

[s0meguy6665]

Theagg wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

Oh I don't know, although not an RPG, its been years since Gordon Freeman last stepped out, but I'm still looking forward to the next installment...

So I doubt fans will be that forgetful.

no, fans won't, but regular players, the majority of bioware's consumers, will.

but it doesn't matter because:

the warden can be so many different things and have made so many different combinations of choices that it'd be IMPOSSIBLE to create a game that continues his/her storyline. What they can do however, is mention the warden and be vague, or only mention his major deeds and characteristics imported from a savegame.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 13 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[OriginsIsBest]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

I look at Hawke's story as seeing my warden's choices from a different view. Hawke story spans ten years...seeing the most important times of his life.  The wardens doesn't, so there is still a chance of the warden returning.

Hopefully Hawke's story ends with DA2. I understand DLC and such blah blah blah...

Someone go into Bioware's studio and unleash an archdemon so we can get are wardens back. No but serious the warden doesn't have to be about the blight. If this so called change effects Ferelden, I don't see how the wardens wouldn't fight for humanity. THEY ARE THE PROTECTORS OF MEN.

[OriginsIsBest]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Theagg wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

Oh I don't know, although not an RPG, its been years since Gordon Freeman last stepped out, but I'm still looking forward to the next installment...

So I doubt fans will be that forgetful.

no, fans won't, but regular players, the majority of bioware's consumers, will.

but it doesn't matter because:

the warden can be so many different things and have made so many different combinations of choices that it'd be IMPOSSIBLE to create a game that continues his/her storyline.

That's a little overated. Its not impossible, it would just take more effort. Bioware chose the easy way, by wiping the slate clean and starting anew.
Choosing a different location so your choices from Origins can be mostly avoided.
In Awakening, at the end. All wardens vanished. For some unknown reason. David Gaider said that we will FIND out what happened to our wardens at the end of Awakening. So all wardens can fall into the same plot again, and they can continue the story, if they please.

[soundchaser721]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

you can all forget about DA3 getting the warden, if he isn't somewhere in DA2. DA1 will be old by then and forgotten by many of its fans and it'll be better for bioware to start another new game, maybe continue hawke's storyline.

The warden is still very much relevant in the world of dragon age. Just because they didn't bring him back for DA2 doesn't mean he wont return in a future title. I'm sure they're still toying with the idea of bringing the warden back for DA3. They could have brought him back in DA2 but they didn't. Honestly a new character in DA3 would just be redundant. People want some sense of finality with their main characters.

[Theagg]

s0meguy6665 wrote...
 no, fans won't, but regular players, the majority of bioware's consumers, will.

You may be right but well, if that's so it just further demonstrates that people have no patience these days, they want it all NOW...

[tbsking]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

If delivering what they promised is spoiling DA2 then I am pretty sure I am making a great decsion in not purchasing DA:2. If DA:2 is soley about providing closure for DA:1 then it will be a sad game. I was under the impression DA:2 was about an epic 10 year adventure... of course U was lead to believe Witch Hunt would give me answers as well.

I guess this is the "glass half empty" opinion! 

I don't know, I enjoyed it...jesus, it was only a few bucks, folks. 

Right, only a few bucks. That I spent. That I could still have had I known that the description of the DLC was the exact opposite of what happened.

I don't want to cry bait and switch or false advertizement, but this DLC simply DID NOT delivier on what they said it would. It didn't give any answers, not a single one, when they said it would. It didn't end the Wardens story, at all, when it said it would. It's a lot like a webisode released to promote the next installment. It adds ccontent, informatino, but nothing needed to progress or to finish the story.

[Sir Martyn Saint]

I think the point is, that the sense of continuity has been lost, at least with our warden, since it´s not going be able in DAO2, that´s waht pisses me off, I would like thinks to be different, just like in Mass effect, where Shepard is our central character in all the trilogy.

[Gunny5821]

QUESTION #1:

Upon the Completion of DAO, what is the recommended order of Game play (This includes Awakening and all of the DLC's released after DAO)? I am aware of the pending Patch, 1.04a (Which will hopefully be released tomorrow). Since the patch is primarily designed for the “Final” DLC for DAO, it will not be an immediate issue.



QUESTION #2:

Which would be the best Character choice to utilize for Game Play in Question #1, would it be Option “A” or Option “B”?

A. A Male who has completed DAO and has not left Base Camp, but has sold some inventory items, no longer needed for Game Play?

B. A Female who is currently about 75% of the way through DAO?



**Pertinent Information for Question #2:

My Favorite DAO Warden has played through DAO 3 times. He is currently resting in Base Camp, after providing a severe Butt Kicking to the enemy in the Final Battle. He has not done any further game play since the ending, but has sold some items to the vendor in Base Camp to lighten his load. On the other side of the proverbial coin, I also have my Current Playing DAO Warden (Female by the way) that has played about 75% of the game (This is my last and 7th DAO Quest. Decided to use a Female on this run just to see what options and changes occur due to the gender bias.



Thanks for the assistance!

[Myusha]

1. Origins, And Stone Prisoner, Warden's Keep, and Return to Ostagar in that order.
The Golem increases your party's strength, and is a Darkspawn killing weapon. Useful for Grey Wardens.
Warden's Keep secures you a base of operations somewhat, and you learn more about the Order you serve and of their exile. Although there are graphical glitches in Awakening due to this DLC.
Return to Ostagar, is a send-off to Calian, offers some lower based equipment with a nice look, and really overall offers no effect to the game, but it does help you kill Darkspawn again, and this may be enough for a Warden to return. Plus it may be an RP-Reason to look back on your growth. Plus the documents, may seem Landsmeet Worthy [Although they have no effect.]

Feastday should be done first if you have it, since some of the items are useful. Like Qunari Prayers for the Dead, and Stick.

Darkspawn Chronicles should be played after the Main Campaign since the Battle of Denerim is the very last part. Or you can play it right before the Battle of Denerim.

Leliana's Song can be played before DA:O due to it's event happening before the game, or after, considering Leliana's telling her story somewhere in the future. You can presume she tells you this somewhere between Origin's six months if you desire.

Awakening then occurs, and you should play through rather nicely, although there are plenty of Glitches. Sigrun's personal quest for example. I had to redo an entire playthrough because of it.

Golems of Amgarrak happens directly after Awakening, and should be fun since Awakening's was extremely easy. Remember to bring Respec Tomes.

Witch Hunt is then the final DLC, and should import your Golems of Amgarrak Warden. You'll get a fourth specialization and go to kick butt.

2. You should use your Male if he romanced Morrigan, and hopefully did her ritual. If either of them are Cousland it might be interesting with Nathaniel Howe as a companion, and finally pick the one you have the most fun with.

[Sir Martyn Saint]

Gunny5821 wrote...

QUESTION #1:
Upon the Completion of DAO, what is the recommended order of Game play (This includes Awakening and all of the DLC's released after DAO)? I am aware of the pending Patch, 1.04a (Which will hopefully be released tomorrow). Since the patch is primarily designed for the “Final” DLC for DAO, it will not be an immediate issue.

QUESTION #2:
Which would be the best Character choice to utilize for Game Play in Question #1, would it be Option “A” or Option “B”?
A. A Male who has completed DAO and has not left Base Camp, but has sold some inventory items, no longer needed for Game Play?
B. A Female who is currently about 75% of the way through DAO?

**Pertinent Information for Question #2:
My Favorite DAO Warden has played through DAO 3 times. He is currently resting in Base Camp, after providing a severe Butt Kicking to the enemy in the Final Battle. He has not done any further game play since the ending, but has sold some items to the vendor in Base Camp to lighten his load. On the other side of the proverbial coin, I also have my Current Playing DAO Warden (Female by the way) that has played about 75% of the game (This is my last and 7th DAO Quest. Decided to use a Female on this run just to see what options and changes occur due to the gender bias.

Thanks for the assistance!

Regarding the order, I agree with the previous post, but you can change the order of some of dlc's , for example, I am currently playing DAO (more or less 50% of the campaign) The order I followed is the following: During the main campaign, just shortly after the joining and the great battle I did Return to Ostagar, because I felt that Cailan`s death was tragic and I want him to be avenged, in this dlc, you get the whole set of Cailan's armor and Duncan's weapons. After this I completed Leliana's song (just after completing the leliana's quest), then I did Warden's keep, beacuse you get the chest's party, so you can store all the equipment you are not using (very useful). Then I continued the game and in between I did The Mission to get Shale the Golem, After finishing origins, I will do Darkspawn Chronicles and then Awakening, Golems of Am... and Witch Hunt to finish the whole campaign.
For me this order is the one that has given me lots of fun, 
I hope I can be helpful. see you all!
Sir Martyn

[13Dannyboy13]

Theagg wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
 no, fans won't, but regular players, the majority of bioware's consumers, will.

You may be right but well, if that's so it just further demonstrates that people have no patience these days, they want it all NOW...

It really has less to do with patience than people wanting what was promised to be delivered. We were told that there would be two years of dlc, turns out that was not true, this dlc promised answers and closure,(though they have since changed the description/banner for it) and ended up leaving more unanswered questions with very few answers. It seems that games are now being made for the casual players, DA2 will be dumbed down and mainstreamed like ME2 was to get more sales out of it and will be more an action game with some rpg elements.

[warden nino]

Ok people here u go..Explantion for Witch hunt..Warden can sleep with Morrigan,but don't do ritual u get normal kid.U do a ritual and Kid has power of OG.What moriggan says is that Flemeth isn't demon,abomination or human.I am guessing here that Felemeth is being of power beyond comparison and the reason she wanted Moriggan to have kid was is so she could feed off kid's essence.Morggian figures it out and makes break for it...Prod her for answers and listen what she says.

[Myusha]

We know.

We've known for five or so days.

[Gunny5821]

Thanks for the assistance; Myusha & Sir Martyn Saint. I have finished DAO and have actually played through it 7 times now. Out of those 7, I choose my favorite Warden (See my Avatar and the profiles for him) and the two of us have conquered DAO 3 times (The save game I will be using to go forth and conquer and kill darkspawn, will be my male Warden, who in turn had the romantic prelude prior to going forth and kicking butt. Also he is a Cousland. I don't quite recall what happen to Nathaniel Howe, but I do recall the Wardens were given his estate and land, by the New King. I also killed Loghain at the Landsmeet). He is the one I will proceed with through the rest of the games. I purchased Awakening and ALL of the DLC's, but was out of service for awhile, so was not able to continue. Now that I'm back, I will pickup where I left off, but wasn't sure of the order, thus my asking for assistance (Again Thanks). Will my Warden have any problems? Mind you the only thing he has done since completing the quest was sell and trade inventory items with fellow commrades back at Base Camp. I had heard some where that the Wardens who completed the quest and did things other than an instant save, period, would have issues with playing and completing the final DLC. That's why I started a new character, just in case that was true, I would at least have a head start on my new Warden. But as I understand it now, there really is no issues, am I correct on that?? So with this info, any further recommendations??

I will be awaiting your reply..............

Modifié par Gunny5821, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[PSUHammer]

tbsking wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

If delivering what they promised is spoiling DA2 then I am pretty sure I am making a great decsion in not purchasing DA:2. If DA:2 is soley about providing closure for DA:1 then it will be a sad game. I was under the impression DA:2 was about an epic 10 year adventure... of course U was lead to believe Witch Hunt would give me answers as well.

I guess this is the "glass half empty" opinion! 

I don't know, I enjoyed it...jesus, it was only a few bucks, folks. 

Right, only a few bucks. That I spent. That I could still have had I known that the description of the DLC was the exact opposite of what happened.

I don't want to cry bait and switch or false advertizement, but this DLC simply DID NOT delivier on what they said it would. It didn't give any answers, not a single one, when they said it would. It didn't end the Wardens story, at all, when it said it would. It's a lot like a webisode released to promote the next installment. It adds ccontent, informatino, but nothing needed to progress or to finish the story.

WHy did you buy it right away without reading reviews?  If you find yourself getting that disappointed over it, you are a candidate to NOT buy anything the day it is released.