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[AndrahilAdrian]

Cyrus87 wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Blastback wrote...

They added to the whole femme fatale vibe Miranda exuded. 

How do high heels give off a femme fetale vibe? If they wanted to do that they sould've made her more attractive.

DUDE ! cute australian accent!

[Cyrus87]

I dont think DA was designed for Female Sex appeal at all anyway, The Models are all designed for combat, they look rigid and stupid in any other situation. I mean have you seen that terrible fuggly underwear. You would't find the cast of Mass Effect wearing that stuff.



Different styles.

[Blastback]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Cyrus87 wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Blastback wrote...

They added to the whole femme fatale vibe Miranda exuded. 

How do high heels give off a femme fetale vibe? If they wanted to do that they sould've made her more attractive.

DUDE ! cute australian accent!

The nose aint creepy enough.

[KassadI]

Blastback wrote...

KassadI wrote...

Blastback wrote...

KassadI wrote...

Female sexuality does not detract from immersion and realism in video games.

Your opinion on female sexuality, may or may not cause you to question a female characters validity in a video game, breaking immersion/realism.

It isn't the sexuality, it's practicality.  Take the leather armor on females in Origins,  there was a huge gap that wasn't protected, leaving the wearer exposed.  Who want's to look sexy at the cost of their life?

That's fair, but where do you draw the line on practicality in a fictional environment. Movement and flexibility versus protection versus artistic freedom versus "realism"?

I would argue Bioware is the gold standard for complex female characters in video games. I guess my point was mainly directed at the example given from ME2. All three characters listed were far deeper than their appearance may or may not lead you to believe, and their appearance is a reflection of their personality in not so simple ways. IMO

Personally, I never really had much of a problem with ME2.  The clothing fit the style of the game.  Dragon Age is supposed to be more gritty though, they have take a more real fantasy approach.  Where the armor needs to be practical to keep the charater alive if they are a front line warrior.

I definitely agree, but we have to be careful with the word "real". Real is a very defined word that only really applies to simulation games. Dragon is more real than other fantasy settings because it's messier, because it's grittier, and because it's steeped in real-world issues (rasicm, zenophobia, poverty) approached on a more honest level.

Getting back to the armour though, aside from basic leather armour and Morrigan's robes (which havent even been mentioned yet) is there any armour in Origins that even remotely pushes into overtly sexualized territory? I can't recall that being the case, and the leather armour was just low-cut in the front - otherwise covered from finger tip to toe.

Anywho, it's worthy of discussion certainly, but I don't believe it's a valid critizism in the context of a Bioware game. I havent seen anything from Origins, or in what's been revealed so far from DA2, to give me a moments pause or cause for concern.

Marian Hawke is the bomb!

[Cyrus87]

HA HA HA< you had me laughing for like 5 minutes, I see your point. I really do.



But still there is still a large difference in personality...and Sex.



Besides my favourate female in Mass effect is Tali...I love her So, and she's not a looker...probably?

[dislye]

Jack wore high heels??? Uh, I think you may have played the wrong game. Jack most certainly did NOT wear heels :-p

[WilliamShatner]

That's only because I stabbed her with them.

[Cyrus87]

I would be pretty miffed if they over exposed the female characters in DA2, I just dont think it necessary

[AndrahilAdrian]

dislye wrote...

Jack wore high heels??? Uh, I think you may have played the wrong game. Jack most certainly did NOT wear heels :-p

I know. But she was topless (hard to see under the tattoos)

[Blastback]

Well, as far as Morrigan's robes go, one they fit her charater, and two, they were never meant to stop swords or arrows. So not as big a deal as say a chain mail bikini.



And on the femme fatale comment earlier, I though that Miranda's costume had this design, to make her seem like someone who took advantage of her physical assets to do the job, so they could then supprise you with how resentful she was of her perfect genetics.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Blastback wrote...

Well, as far as Morrigan's robes go, one they fit her charater, and two, they were never meant to stop swords or arrows. So not as big a deal as say a chain mail bikini.

I agree, with mages its a little different because their clothes aren't build for protection.

[Cyrus87]

Sex Appeal is a huge deal in Mass Effect because that is how they chose to style it, just like they chose to style Dragon Age in a more gritty, rolling in the mud with pigs kinda way. I think both styles work for two different games.



I dont think they are going to effect the look of the female armour in DA2 drastically, Just because they chose to take that approach with Mass Effect doesnt mean they will do it here. If that was the case then we should be equally concerned they will be dressed like fantasy chinese people form Jade Empire.

[Tempest]

Just gonna say, fashion in more than one occasion in human history has taken place over practicality in War/Soldiers. Knights have worn Bright colored plumbs of feathers on top of their heads. Which of course helped them stick out like a sour thumb on the open field. (There are MANY ways to promote your status on the field, a bright feather isn't a good idea in any way, shape or form.) Have you SEEN the ridiculous visors the knights had?

Helmet

This is the type of helmet they wore more as fashion than practicality. It was one of those, "Just don't get in front of him" kind of helmets.

EDIT:  I'm FREAKIN horrible at linking!

Modifié par Tempest, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[AndrahilAdrian]

Tempest wrote...

Just gonna say, fashion in more than one occasion in human history has taken place over practicality in War/Soldiers. Knights have worn Bright colored plumbs of feathers on top of their heads. Which of course helped them stick out like a sour thumb on the open field. (There are MANY ways to promote your status on the field, a bright feather isn't a good idea in any way, shape or form.) Have you SEEN the ridiculous visors the knights had? http://www.google.co...iw=1440&bih=715
This is the type of helmet they wore more as fashion than practicality. It was one of those, "Just don't get in front of him" kind of helmets.

Those helmets were mostly ceremonial, for jousting. On the battlefield not getting your head lopped off is more important than style.

[Shadow_broker]

Armor does not have to make sense, and almost none do even IRL history

Plate is too heavy and inefficent for actual combat thus why knights in shining armor lasted only for a short period in middle ages

Leather armor showing cleavage is no big deal (Do you really think LEATHER is going to protect your from an axe?)

[Tempest]

True enough. But even as a sport, really?

[Tempest]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Armor does not have to make sense, and almost none do even IRL history
Plate is too heavy and inefficent for actual combat thus why knights in shining armor lasted only for a short period in middle ages
Leather armor showing cleavage is no big deal (Do you really think LEATHER is going to protect your from an axe?)

It better be damn good leather to take a fire blast, 2H Swords, all forms of arrows, AND be washable the next day. (I hope).

[Tempest]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Tempest wrote...

Just gonna say, fashion in more than one occasion in human history has taken place over practicality in War/Soldiers. Knights have worn Bright colored plumbs of feathers on top of their heads. Which of course helped them stick out like a sour thumb on the open field. (There are MANY ways to promote your status on the field, a bright feather isn't a good idea in any way, shape or form.) Have you SEEN the ridiculous visors the knights had? http://www.google.co...iw=1440&bih=715
This is the type of helmet they wore more as fashion than practicality. It was one of those, "Just don't get in front of him" kind of helmets.

Those helmets were mostly ceremonial, for jousting. On the battlefield not getting your head lopped off is more important than style.

Don't even get me started on the uniform of the british and french soldiers, REALLY!?

[andar91]

I really don't have a problem with stretching reality. If a little bit of skin (on females or males) or cleavage shows, or if an outfit shows off someone's figure because of its shape, that's fine. It's when it's outrageously stupid where a female warrior is wearing a chain skirt the size of a washcloth and a bra made of metal that barely covers her nipples that it goes to far. Exaggeration is a part of what makes video games fun and total realism would boring, imo. I don't even mind high heeled armor, as long as they're not ridiculously high. But there's a big difference between a character being reasonably sexually appealing and being a sexual object.



I, for one, find Lady Hawke's screenshot very sexy and she's dressed from head to toe in armor as far as I can tell (same goes for Garret Hawke).

[AndrahilAdrian]

I'm not saying the female characters all need to dress like nuns. The leather armor in Origins was fine. I just thought ME2 pushed it a little with topless jack and high heeled Miranda, and I don't want to see that pattern continued into DA2

[Tempest]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

I'm not saying the female characters all need to dress like nuns. The leather armor in Origins was fine. I just thought ME2 pushed it a little with topless jack and high heeled Miranda, and I don't want to see that pattern continued into DA2

I can understand where your coming from.   To me Jack was using a Biotic personal shield till she faints from over use.  Miranda.  Well Cerberus says to dress as well as you want and maybe she likes high heels instead of dressing like G.I. Jane?

[Shadow_broker]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

I'm not saying the female characters all need to dress like nuns. The leather armor in Origins was fine. I just thought ME2 pushed it a little with topless jack and high heeled Miranda, and I don't want to see that pattern continued into DA2

Why do people need armor in Mass effect outside of hazardous enviorments? They have shields that protect from Gunfire and other things, armor like shepards would be a burden to small female characters like miranda and jack.
heavy Armor is far cumbersome in reality than High heels and leather, It's fantasy and we should allow bioware to use artistic design the way they see fit since nothing in this universe makes sense anyways

[summonercat]

You know what else is unrealistic? Magic biotic powers and the 'mass effect'.

It is perfectly possible to run in the high heels Miranda wears, from what I recall of the heels. And with the "super duper futuristic material from the future" I'm sure the heels won't snap like a twig when too much force is put upon them.



Jack does what she wants. She can be topless with her unrealistic biotic fashion. Bring Jack to Thane's recruitment. She just crosses her arms when he walks up to her. Doesn't pull out a gun like the rest of them. She doesn't give a crap of standard fighting wear.

[Cyrus87]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

I'm not saying the female characters all need to dress like nuns. The leather armor in Origins was fine. I just thought ME2 pushed it a little with topless jack and high heeled Miranda, and I don't want to see that pattern continued into DA2

It aint gonna happen man, Same company, very different games, I think it's unfair to assume that they will go the same direction as Mass Effect in style...even if they seem to do be doing it with gameplay...

[AndrahilAdrian]

Cyrus87 wrote...

 I think it's unfair to assume that they will go the same direction as Mass Effect in style...even if they seem to do be doing it with gameplay...

lol, and I hope you're right.