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[Merlin 47]

Nightwriter wrote...

It's weird, because I see Oriana as the normal one my mind has a hard time thinking that the same infertility issue applies. It's like my brain goes, "No, Oriana's healthy, she's normal! She was raised by a loving family! Love has magically protected her ovaries!"

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Miranda's infertility was an intentional, vindictive failsafe her father had installed in case she ever ran away. "Escape my control - no babies for you!"

I'm with you; it's certainly a way I've never looked at it before.  I can see exactly why her father would do that to Miranda, seeing as how Oriana wasn't "born" until after Miri escaped.  Then Miranda went back and rescued her sister; so yeah, I'm hoping with you that Oriana is healthy and fine.

[Ieldra]

As I said before: it is implausible that Miranda's infertility is the result of her father's tampering. The medical report says it's caused by "progressive damage", meaning she hasn't been infertile her whole life. If I wanted to make her infertile on purpose, I'd use a more failsafe method.

For more about the issues raised by her infertility, consult the Miranda Lawson FAQ (scroll down to part IV)

And for the record: Apart from the part with Oriana, I hate her dossier and wish Bioware hadn't written it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 octobre 2010 - 06:44 .

[Elyvern]

Nightwriter wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Miranda's infertility was an intentional, vindictive failsafe her father had installed in case she ever ran away. "Escape my control - no babies for you!"

Ya know, if Miranda tried to get pregnant before ME2, she'd have succeeded? So that really doesn't make sense...

Modifié par Elyvern, 01 octobre 2010 - 06:49 .

[lovgreno]

Nah, it's no big deal, she is still the same person to my Shepards despite those details about her health that wasn't Shepards buisness anyway.

[Frybread76]

Couldn't Miranda and Shepard either adopt or have their genes combined into an empty egg and have it implanted into Miranda's womb if they want to have children? If not then who cares.

[Elyvern]

Frybread76 wrote...

Couldn't Miranda and Shepard either adopt or have their genes combined into an empty egg and have it implanted into Miranda's womb if they want to have children? If not then who cares.

Click on the Miranda FAQ link Ieldra posted above. There are no less than 5 viable ways for Miranda to have a child that's genetically hers despite her infertility problem.

[Zaxares]

Nightwriter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Maybe every name she tried was taken and she got annoyed and typed that.

THIS MUST SURELY BE THE EXPLANATION.

*Miranda, fuming after almost half an hour of trying different screenames, throws her hands up in the air when she finds that "AllNamesAreTaken2156" is also taken*

FINE! I'll just go with "LawBringer"!

VI: Sorry, that name is already taken. Suggestion: "LawBringerSR2".

Miranda: Fine, whatever. I don't care anymore. Just LET ME IN!

[AdamNW]

Kabraxal wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

The ipartner stuff was OOC BS. Really, Miranda isn't going to do that, especially while on the Normandy. I don't even think if she were a desperate virgin she would be doing that while on the mission...

And LawbringerSR2... uhhh... maybe Jacob would use that, but not her. Really, whoever wrote that was either drunk or just not paying attention at all. Pathetic attempt at humour on that one.

It's canon now. So she would do it.

If it is truly canon.. then the writers and continuity checkers lose all respect and respectability... it is so far OOC that it is ludicrous.

What's ludicrous here is that you think you know what is OOC for any character, better than the writer does.

[belwin]

sporeian wrote...

I was laughing at her profile until I got down to the last one.

Then I just felt dirty and stupid for laughing.

Grunts and Jacks are way funnier!

"Toochunka."

[Aedan_Cousland]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And for the record: Apart from the part with Oriana, I hate her dossier and wish Bioware hadn't written it.

I have mixed feelings about her dossier. I think it is great and totally in character so long as Miranda wasn't trying to get pregnant while on a suicide mission. What would be the logic in that? If however her liason with NoGames411 was in no way linked to her discovery that she's infertile, I think her dossier is one of the better ones.

Sure, the revelation that she is unable to have children is a bit of a bombshell for those who romanced her with their canon Shepard, but Shep doesn't really strike me as the type to settle down in a suburban prefab complete with white picket fence, and have children. I also think the best ending for Shepard isn't one where he rides off into the sunset, but rather one where he doesn't get to live to enjoy the fruits of his victory.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:29 .

[KlownSnypr]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I also think the best ending for Shepard isn't one where he rides off into the sunset, but rather one where he doesn't get to live to enjoy the fruits of his victory.

a little boy cries out," SHEPARD, COME BACK SHEPARD!" as shepard rides off into the sunset slumped over his mako hover bike.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It seems a little weird they can completely rebuild a live human entirely even if it is a destroyed corpse but can't fix fertility problems in the 22nd century.

[Terraneaux]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It seems a little weird they can completely rebuild a live human entirely even if it is a destroyed corpse but can't fix fertility problems in the 22nd century.

It seems a lot of cloning is banned, and genetic modification certainly is (beyond the standard military-issue stuff).  The technology's certainly there to have a clone child, or clone Miranda some new ovaries, or any of a number of things.

Modifié par Terraneaux, 02 octobre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It seems a little weird they can completely rebuild a live human entirely even if it is a destroyed corpse but can't fix fertility problems in the 22nd century.

Shepard's case was unique in that even though the procedure was completely untested and the costs exorbitant, TIM was more than willing to pay for it. Perhaps a 'cure' for infertility does exist, except it's also experimental and ridiculously expensive, and unlike Shepard Miranda doesn't have a benefactor with bottomless pockets.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Ieldra]

Terraneaux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It seems a little weird they can completely rebuild a live human entirely even if it is a destroyed corpse but can't fix fertility problems in the 22nd century.

It seems a lot of cloning is banned, and genetic modification certainly is (beyond the standard military-issue stuff).  The technology's certainly there to have a clone child, or clone Miranda some new ovaries, or any of a number of things.

Genetic modification is not banned. There are only limits of the kind of modification permitted. See The Codex (scroll down to "genetic engineering"). Miranda herself may be a borderline case, since she might fit the definition of "designed life", but she *is* a human by any measure, so the law might not apply. The Codex does not mention cloning in any way, so I assume it's generally not thought to be a problem.

And btw, the Codex reasoning for the limitations is crap. Adding new traits and incorporating alien ones would actually increase genetic diversity.

I do assume they can fix Miranda's fertility problem in any number of ways. The way they used infertility here is a textbook example of a Fantastic Aesop (It's not unique by far - when Bioware tries to deal with biology running into this is practically the default - unless it's an even plainer case of Did Not Do The Research). They tried to give a character a serious problem to bring her closer to RL, but the differences between the real world and the fictional setting make sure it isn't actually a problem. As a result, the question comes up of how we're supposed to take it. We can invent additional reasons that it's a problem, mostly psychological, making a type 2 Fantastic Aesop from it, but given the way the dossiers are written in general, I feel justified in ignoring it. Even so, I still hate that Bioware tried this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Skyblade012]

See, I have no real problem with Miranda's hookup chats, but I take it a different way.



Her fixation on the medical data makes me think that she wasn't actually looking for a companion at all, but a father for a child. She wanted a kid, and the best kid she could find, so she was looking for a healthy genetic source.



That's why the report that she's infertile hits so hard. She was looking for a child of her own that whole time, only to find out that it is forever beyond her reach.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't think someone with that worth ethic would risk something like that.



I think she was just looking for some action.

[Skyblade012]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I don't think someone with that worth ethic would risk something like that.

I think she was just looking for some action.

Right, because someone who works hard can't want a family of their own.  Especially when their own is either out to destroy their life, or trapped and in danger if you contact them.

She's lost every family, every friend she's ever known.  Even someone with a great work ethic can want something to come home to.

[Ieldra]

Again, it's a bunch of contradictions:

(1) The ordering of the excerpts suggests that her dates and her medical report are connected, suggesting that she wanted a child. The businesslike manner she goes about it seems to support this.

(2) But it also suggests that this happened during the events of ME2, which makes no sense - who'd want to get with child while on her way to a suicide mission?

As a result, my preferred reading is that she just wanted a bit of harmless stress release, and her medical report is unconnected. It shouldn't be a problem for the romance, since you can always assume it was all before romancing Shepard became a possiblity.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 08:15 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

^I drew the same timelines conclusion as Ieldra



The situation of ME 2 is one of high risk and the unknown. There is no guarantee that they will survive. Hell TIM basically tells them that there is a good chance to die. Getting pregnant makes no sense. The other alternative does.

[Aedan1992]

I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well I hope she wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. The situation that you could possibly get with Jack gets awkward for a reason.

[Ieldra]

Aedan1992 wrote...
I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Would you blow off steam with your boss just because (s)he's the closest member of your preferred gender available?

[Esbatty]

She does mention to Shepard that "so far this mission has gone so well, better than any other operation I've worked on", so maybe that gave her some inkling of hope that getting knocked up gives her something to look forward to, a personal motivation beyond "saving humanity". The loyalty mission with Oriana is to give her sister the life she wish she had, but the baby is for herself, produced naturally without all the sciency poking and prodding that made Miranda.



With the medical report the wind is knocked out of her sails and so when they finally make it to the collector base via crashlanding she fully embraces a cold unmourned death in a lost region of the universe.

[Aedan1992]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...
I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Would you blow off steam with your boss just because (s)he's the closest member of your preferred gender available?

No i don't think that. But i find it strange that she would do such a thing during an importend mission as this one. She would only waste time with this and miranda would never put her own desires above humanity. Not while there are entirely human colonies disappearing. But If it happend before ME2 or during than i can understand it. 

Modifié par Aedan1992, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:02 .