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[MrnDvlDg161]

It was a hit job indeed upon her character but what some miss is the constant searching of medical records.



Plus the only thing you can come up with is that she got an address on someone and they were going to meet... what happened after that ( which isn't told) is left for the player to decide.



Those who dislike the character will call her a ****



Those who don't will say otherwise.



Me? Don't laugh too hard --- your own fav character might be next for a drive-by shooting by the writers. Stand by to stand by is what I say.

[Onyx Jaguar]

So what any characterization is a drive by shooting?



I honestly do not see what the big deal was with this dossier.

[Ieldra]

Aedan1992 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...
I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Would you blow off steam with your boss just because (s)he's the closest member of your preferred gender available?

Not i don't think that. But i find it strange that she would do such a thing during an importend mission as this one. She would only waste time with this and miranda would never put her own desires above humanity. Not while there are entirely human colonies disappearing. But If it happend before ME2 or during than i can understand it. 

I imagine the team wasn't on mission 100% of the time while on Illium, the Citadel and Omega. Also, what does the rest of the team do while Shepard and his two preferred companions are on mission? Getting with child would be implausible, but a bit of casual sex? No problem.
Setting it all back in time is another way to resolve the problem, only her username (which is silly in the first place) and the locations both suggest it was during ME2.

[Ieldra]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Me? Don't laugh too hard --- your own fav character might be next for a drive-by shooting by the writers. Stand by to stand by is what I say.

It's little consolation that Miranda got her drive-by-shooting first. Somehow I have the suspicion the other's won't catch up.

[fongiel24]

Aedan1992 wrote...

I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Same reason the military forbids fraternization in the field. It compromises judgment. In a mission like this, everyone needs to be focused and ready to do whatever it takes. If Shepard and Miranda sleep together, the potential exists for them to become emotionally involved, which in turn could lead to costly mistakes in the field. Miranda herself states this in the conversation immediately after the loyalty mission. Of course in the end Shepard and Miranda can get involved and everything can still turn out fine, but in general sleeping with your coworkers is risky, particularly in Shepard and Miranda's line of work.

[Ieldra]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
So what any characterization is a drive by shooting?

I honestly do not see what the big deal was with this dossier.

The big deal is that all other characters got funny but inconsequential little stories added to their profile, but Miranda got a serious problem that influences how people feel about the romance and the character *and* a little funny story that is inconsequential but also influences how people feel about her. Yep, drive-by-shooting is a very apt term.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:10 .

[Aedan1992]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...
I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Would you blow off steam with your boss just because (s)he's the closest member of your preferred gender available?

Not i don't think that. But i find it strange that she would do such a thing during an importend mission as this one. She would only waste time with this and miranda would never put her own desires above humanity. Not while there are entirely human colonies disappearing. But If it happend before ME2 or during than i can understand it. 

I imagine the team wasn't on mission 100% of the time while on Illium, the Citadel and Omega. Also, what does the rest of the team do while Shepard and his two preferred companions are on mission? Getting with child would be implausible, but a bit of casual sex? No problem.
Setting it all back in time is another way to resolve the problem, only her username (which is silly in the first place) and the locations both suggest it was during ME2.

The username doesn't make really sense because miranda would not be stupid to set the name of her location in her username.  And the locations are also strange because the first chat she has is on Illium.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
So what any characterization is a drive by shooting?

I honestly do not see what the big deal was with this dossier.

The big deal is hat all other characters got funny but inconsequential little stories added to their profile, but Miranda got a serious problem that influences how people feel about the romance and the character.

I would say that if it influenced people in a certain way about a character then it did its job.

Plus its not like it was the only one that was lightweight.  You had Garrus who is hinted at having money problems, Zaeed who has a death wish and a look at how callous Mordin can be in a situation. 

The dating service or whatever you want to call it, seems like it was there to reinforce her personality.  Even when trying to fraternize with strangers she is all about business.

Then the other part about her infertility is there to create conflict for the character on a personal level.  Similar to Garrus except that is happening to a family member and not himself.

[Aedan1992]

fongiel24 wrote...

Aedan1992 wrote...

I can understand if she wanted to blow of steam. But why did't she go then to shepard for casual sex. It would have been alot easier and she knows that he is healthty since she put him back together. And shepard has no problem with casual sex.

Same reason the military forbids fraternization in the field. It compromises judgment. In a mission like this, everyone needs to be focused and ready to do whatever it takes. If Shepard and Miranda sleep together, the potential exists for them to become emotionally involved, which in turn could lead to costly mistakes in the field. Miranda herself states this in the conversation immediately after the loyalty mission. Of course in the end Shepard and Miranda can get involved and everything can still turn out fine, but in general sleeping with your coworkers is risky, particularly in Shepard and Miranda's line of work.

Like i have said before i don't really have a problem with it if she wanted to blow of steam with a stranger.Just as long it happend before the romance started i don't have a problem with it. But it just felt a bit strange to me that it would happen during ME 2.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

A lot of strange stuff happens during ME 2



Hell you had to allow Grunt to "blow off some steam" in a personal quest. I don't doubt that the characters did other stuff on leave when they had the chance (and you were on mission).

[Aedan1992]

Also i was wondering. Does anyone know if miranda buys that vid book "men are from omega women are from Illium" if you romance her or also if you don't? Since its about relationship improvment.

Modifié par Aedan1992, 02 octobre 2010 - 09:39 .

[AntiChri5]

I really cant see how this is any any way a "drive by shooting" or any attempt to damage the characters.

What do you guys think, there was a big fight between Mirandas writer and someone elses and Mirandas writer lost and got locked in the closet while Jacks writer took some sort if revenge?

BioWare isnt going to pointlessly take serious shots at the characters.

I dont see how any of this was desinged to damage hsr character.

[Ieldra]

AntiChri5 wrote...
I really cant see how this is any any way a "drive by shooting" or any attempt to damage the characters.
What do you guys think, there was a big fight between Mirandas writer and someone elses and Mirandas writer lost and got locked in the closet while Jacks writer took some sort if revenge?
BioWare isnt going to pointlessly take serious shots at the characters.
I dont see how any of this was desinged to damage hsr character.

What about those players who'd like to imagine their Shepards having children with Miranda after the end of ME3? I think the infertility, assuming we're supposed to take it seriously, would hurt them pretty bad. It's almost as if BW wanted to prevent Shepard from having human children. Ashley - died on Virmire. Jack - doomed to die and can you imagine her as a mother in the first place? Miranda - infertile. Yeah, great.

[sarcasm]Perhaps we should be thankful to Bioware that it's all so inconsistent. At least that leaves our imagination a way out.[/sarcasm]

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 octobre 2010 - 10:56 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
I really cant see how this is any any way a "drive by shooting" or any attempt to damage the characters.
What do you guys think, there was a big fight between Mirandas writer and someone elses and Mirandas writer lost and got locked in the closet while Jacks writer took some sort if revenge?
BioWare isnt going to pointlessly take serious shots at the characters.
I dont see how any of this was desinged to damage hsr character.

What about those players who'd like to imagine their Shepards having children with Miranda after the end of ME3? I think the infertility, assuming we're supposed to take it seriously, would hurt them pretty bad. It's almost as if BW wanted to prevent Shepard from having human children. Ashley - died on Virmire. Jack - doomed to die and can you imagine her as a mother in the first place? Miranda - infertile. Yeah, great.

[sarcasm]Perhaps we should be thankful to Bioware that it's all so inconsistent. At least that leaves our imagination a way out.[/sarcasm]

Perhaps it's Bioware's intent to not have a Shepard child?

And we are supposed to take it seriously, as it is a part of the game. Bioware don't make content for sh!ts and giggles.

[AntiChri5]

What about those players who'd like to imagine their Shepards having children with Miranda after the end of ME3

That doesnt hurt her character, only someones fanfic. Besides, i always imagined her reluctant to have children because her father wanted her to be a babymaker.

I think the infertility, assuming we're supposed to take it seriously, would hurt them pretty bad.

Of course we are supposed to take it seriously. It isnt a joking matter. It isnt BioWares job to inspire fanfiction.

It's almost as if BW wanted to prevent Shepard from having human children.

I never got that impression. Besides which, this isnt a babymaking sim.

Ashley - died on Virmire.

No, she didnt.

Jack - doomed to die

No more so then any other human biotic (except Miranda).

can you imagine her as a mother in the first place?

Yes, quite easily. Even more easily thanks to Mondo.

Miranda - infertile. Yeah, great.

The woman who brought a dead man back to life? If she wants a baby, she is bloody well gonna get one.



I still dont see how anything in her dossier damages her character.

[Count Viceroy]

it only damages certain peoples preconceptions about the character, which are rather irrelevant anyway, seeing as they aren't the writers.

[Elyvern]

I beg to differ. The point of writing is contingent on someone on the other end reading and accepting the information. So you cannot say people's preconceptions about a character isn't relevant. I'll accept that the devs are the ones with the power here in that they decide what is canon and what isn't, even if it's a player's personal perogative to selectively filter out the parts they want to matter.

That said, I find it hard to believe the writers explicitly don't intend for Shepard to have a child when the topic of blue babies crops up in LotSB. Why titilate when it's forbidden? My initial impression is they were probably going for a piece of news with maximum emotional impact and in this case the best they could think of was the infertility issue given Miranda's specific background. There's no way to tell if they gave thought about how it would destroy some dearly held preconception by Miranda fans, but there is still hope that the issue will be addressed and resolved in a future DLC or in ME3 and that's the approach I'm going to take.

Modifié par Elyvern, 02 octobre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So what any characterization is a drive by shooting?

I honestly do not see what the big deal was with this dossier.

The people who don't like it tend to fall into 3 camps.

• People who had Miranda as a LI and are disappointed than Shepard might not be able to settle down with her post ME3, and have children
  
  
  
• People who had Miranda as a LI and don't like that she had casual sex with other people.
  
  
• People who are ok with Miranda having casual sex and finding out that she is infertifle, so long as the two things are not directly linked.

Group 1 I suppose I can understand somewhat. While Miranda being infertifle isn't an issue for me, I understand that some people want a 'happily ever after' ending for their Shepard, and some peoples' definition of happiness in life is settling down with a family. I'm not on the same page but I get it.

Group 2 makes the least sense as Miranda was very obviously a femme fatale character long before the release of LotSB. Her being sexless and not sexually aggressive before meeting Shepard would both not make sense and be completely out of character. If you want a sweet & shy virgin, stick to the Liara or Tali romances.

I belong to Group 3. Overall I'd say I like Miranda's dossier, but only because I currently don't believe that her online 'dating' and infertility are linked. If someone from Bioware confirms that the two things are linked, my opinion of her dossier will change to 'hate,' because of poor storytelling. Why on Earth would anyone seek to get pregnant while on a suicide mission?

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 02 octobre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Prince of Kemet]

[Edit: Crude language deleted. Keep it clean, people. -- Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Pacifien]

Okay, so discussion about Miranda can go in the Character Discussions Forum now, but only if you discuss it in a civil fashion. Extremely strong, derogatory remarks--even if they're about a fictional character--don't belong on the public forums at all.

Modifié par Pacifien, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:34 .