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[SerriceIceDandy]

 When meeting the admirality whilst on my third playthrough to finally have a Shepard that didn't look like he got hit by a bus - that then reversed over his face - I began to wonder about their different view points about the Geth.

There seems to be three main views as to how the Quarians would most likely reclaim their homeworld:

1) War.
2) Seek peace with the geth.
3) Re-write the Geth to serve their intended purpose.

In my opinion, even if he's called a 'Suit-wetting Geth apologetist', I'd be inclined to agree with Admiral Koris (Qwib-Qwib lol). Legion expresses that Geth, to some extent, want a truce; likening them and the Quarians to two parts of an equation for peace. The Quarians only need to genuinely want peace with the Geth to co-exist. The Geth don't even occupy the planet, just maintain it. There's no need to take it by force.

Aside from the obvious Reaper threat to make war a bad option - it's not that practical for them either. Legion mentions that the Geth do not occupy the plant, but rather space-stations. Tali (I think) mentioned how the fleet ideally would use orbital bombardment than ground attacks. Whilst they have the largest fleet in the galaxy, it's also full of non-combatants; since they'd likely be in space combat, it's a risky tactic.

As for the re-write, they'd only have to make more geth which then network which could potentially overcome this re-write? Not to mention, Xen's intentions in the e-mail she sent suggest they'd be aggressive, something the council won't view too keenly.

Your thoughts?

[Mike2640]

My feeling on that is that since the Geth dont owe them anything, the Quarians should have to make some severe reparations to the Geth before they'd give the planet back. I'd side with Qwib-Qwib, funny name and all. As much as I liked her, Tali always irritated me with her Quarian victim-complex.

I feel the Geth should keep the planet, and the Quarians can settle somewhere else. They lost the right to a good planet when they tried to commit genocide.

Modifié par Mike2640, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[ZombieGambit]

Koris (peace). It's pretty obvious that the Geth were only defending themselves and the war was the Quarians' fault. There's no reason why the can't just both live on the same planet if Legion is a good model for the average Geth.

[G. Recruit]

Mike2640 wrote...

My feeling on that is that since the Geth dont owe them anything, the Quarians should have to make some severe reparations to the Geth before they'd give the planet back. I'd side with Qwib-Qwib, funny name and all. As much as I liked her, Tali always irritated me with her Quarian victim-complex.

I feel the Geth should keep the planet, and the Quarians can settle somewhere else. They lost the right to a good planet when they tried to commit genocide.

Except that  Tali said that the difference between readapting to their own home environment would take sixty years while it would take closer to six hundred to adapt to a new world.

[Mike2640]

G. Recruit wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

My feeling on that is that since the Geth dont owe them anything, the Quarians should have to make some severe reparations to the Geth before they'd give the planet back. I'd side with Qwib-Qwib, funny name and all. As much as I liked her, Tali always irritated me with her Quarian victim-complex.

I feel the Geth should keep the planet, and the Quarians can settle somewhere else. They lost the right to a good planet when they tried to commit genocide.

Except that  Tali said that the difference between readapting to their own home environment would take sixty years while it would take closer to six hundred to adapt to a new world.

I'm okay with this.
As bad as the quarians have it they can never say "Our slave-masters thought we were getting to smart and tried to wipe out our race."

Modifié par Mike2640, 08 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Option 1 or option 3. Which one of those benefits Shepard more, I don't know.

[Water Dumple]

"We never wanted to harm organics. We only sought to improve ourselves."

Definitely option two; the original fault lies with the Quarians, but they can rectify it if they actually tried. As Legion says again, "We cannot solve for peace alone." The Geth aren't suffering from the war, but the Quarians definitely are, and their race is headed for extinction if they don't solve the conflict peacefully.

[formshifter]

Quarians need to get over the whole "Geth tried to kill us thing". They did it in self-defense. If anything, Tali should be more amenable to the Geth after working with Legion.



Besides, the Geth could probably wipe the floor with the Quarians. They did it once before, when there were billions of Quarians. Now there's around 17 million, and their "elite" can't handle a platoon of Geth.

[RedTracer7]

War!



The might of the quarian people shall cut a bloody swath across the galaxy, washing the shame of past defeats away with the blood of their enemies!



Death before dishonor! Glory!!

[Someone With Mass]

I say option #2. The geth wants peace. The quarians would probably think the same if evidence of a peaceful agreement can be shown.



And the war/re-write options are most likely just going to bite you in the ass later.

[NuclearBuddha]

Peace. Qwib-qwib is a jerk, but there's not a lot of point in fighting anymore. Better to live and let live, like should have happened originally.

[Cheese Elemental]

Koris has the right idea. The geth don't even want Rannoch and are evidently happy to move on.

[Moiaussi]

Peace... according to the codex, the Geth don't even use the planets but live in orbital stations.

[Spornicus]

Koris is the only admiral who wouldn't shoot a geth on sight but actually try to communicate with it. The other two plans would result in the eradication of the quarian race.

[Pacifien]

Personally think the Quarians need to give up Eden and colonize elsewhere. Maybe pick up discussion on retaking the Homeworld after they have a stable environment.

[PsyrenY]

Pacifien wrote...

Personally think the Quarians need to give up Eden and colonize elsewhere. Maybe pick up discussion on retaking the Homeworld after they have a stable environment.

Tali would never go for that plan though, as she would never live long enough to be able to remove her suit going that route.

I back Koris aka Qwib-Qwib. The Geth are not only peaceful, they are actually maintaining the Quarian homeworld's ecosystem for the day their wayward parents return. But without that conflict driving the Quarians they'll undergo a pretty radical shift.

[TheBlackBaron]

#3, rewrite. Qwib-Qwib is an annoying jerkass and Admiral Loghain's direct conflict route will just wind up causing a bunch of casualties that the quarians can't handle. #3 gets a nice big army to wield against the Reapers and, when it earns the quarian homeworld back, Shepard will have the undying loyalty of pretty much every quarian everywhere - two for the price of one.

Plus, I'm a sucker for sexy English accents. That's what got me into shenanigans with Morrigan.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 08 septembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Moiaussi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Personally think the Quarians need to give up Eden and colonize elsewhere. Maybe pick up discussion on retaking the Homeworld after they have a stable environment.

Tali would never go for that plan though, as she would never live long enough to be able to remove her suit going that route.

I back Koris aka Qwib-Qwib. The Geth are not only peaceful, they are actually maintaining the Quarian homeworld's ecosystem for the day their wayward parents return. But without that conflict driving the Quarians they'll undergo a pretty radical shift.

If they can build a suit that covers survival, they should be able to build a larger environment that does the same. Any given starship is after all a completely sealed environment, built and maintained, just a larger version of the suits. It is also strange that they haven't done anything about simply building their immunities up slowly. They can handle low level illnesses and recover, so it is not like they have no immune systems. It may even be that by way f exposure on pilgimages, they have become more resistant than they realize.

[Moiaussi]

Spornicus wrote...

Koris is the only admiral who wouldn't shoot a geth on sight but actually try to communicate with it. The other two plans would result in the eradication of the quarian race.

That rather bothered me. There didn't seem any way to convince them to consider any other route. There is a lot of the same logical trap that some posters were falling into with respect to the size of the Alliance navy. Largest is only in comparason to other known forces.

The Geth Heretics were only a small spinoff from the main Geth empire (which explains why we never see anything bigger than a Geth dropship, basicly an armed transport). The Migrant Fleet only seems largest because the other fleets were decimated by Sovereign. That doesn't mean the Migrant fleet is big... merely 'less small.'

[Big Yam]

From a pro-Quarian viewpoint, Xen.  She is the only one with a decent plan to elevate her people. 

Koris' mindset is one of a perpetual loser, covering his cowardice with moral elitism.

Han Garrel will cowboy his way to utter destruction.

[Inverness Moon]

Big Yam wrote...

From a pro-Quarian viewpoint, Xen.  She is the only one with a decent plan to elevate her people. 

Koris' mindset is one of a perpetual loser, covering his cowardice with moral elitism.

Han Garrel will cowboy his way to utter destruction.

Xen also fits the bit you said about Han'Gerrel, imho.

I'm definitely a supporter of Koris's agenda. I also hope that the geth and quarians an co-exist and help each other build a better future, rather than staying at a distance from each other.

[DPSSOC]

Big Yam wrote...
Koris' mindset is one of a perpetual loser,

Which would seem to be ideal for the Quarians.  Let's look at it honestly the last great accomplishment of the Quarian people blew up in their faces so bad it's still haunting them 300 years later.  Koris is the only Admiral smart enough to realize that they lost, and will continue to lose, if they choose to confront the geth.  Gerrel's plan wiill result in heavy casualties and loss of equipment and Xen's just starts the whole process over again.

The Quarians need to learn their place; they need to accept that they lost, come to terms with their fate, and attend to reality rather than being lost in delusions of grandeur.  They have 3 options; settle a new world in the Terminus (time scale be damned), tuck their tail between their legs and seek peace with the geth, or continue on the same self-destructive path they've been runing with for 300 years until they are all dead.

Qwib Qwib for President; a vote for him is a vote for not getting your backside handed to you.

[Dionkey]

The Dialouge for agreeing with Koris should be shepard pointing at the other two and saying "You Dun goofed, if you go to war you might be back traced and reported to the cyber police. After that the consequences will never be the same."

[JakePT]

Koris.



Hell, I was on his side in Mass Effect 1 and before Legion. I was very pleasently surprised come ME2 when I found out there were quarian factions that agreed with me.