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[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

They were certain enough to try it instead of attempting peace and/or withdrawing as many civilians as they could first and using the code as a last choice rather than first.

The situation wasn't as simple as you think, kid. Quite telling that you call for peace whilst preparing for war. How do you suppose the geth would have looked at it? You tell them you want peace, meanwhile you start moving your civilians to safety in preparation for a battle. That tells the geth two things: either you're being careful or you are just stalling for time. If the geth conclude the latter then they're going to attack you only this time you'll be worse off because instead of taking action when you first had the opportunity you wasted time negotiating.

WIthdrawing people to 'new settlements' is automatically interpreted as 'preparation for war?" Keep in mind the kill codes were only a matter of a button press. That could even have been done from orbit. If the Geth attacked while you were moving people and you press the button how is that worse than if you don't? If the button works, no harm no foul, but if the button fails, you risk the civilians being cut off from the spaceports and will almost certainly get fewer off world.

You could even be up front about it... some of the populace would want to move to safety out of fear anyway, and would do so naturally via civilian transport. Did people fleeing Germany just before WWII have any effect on ensuring there would be war or reducing the chance of peace? Not at all.

You think like a mouse, treating every action as a threat to be responded to with a panic response. Near as I can tell, you consider every action other than surrender as a provocation to war.....

[upsettingshorts]

Shandepared wrote...

scotchtape622 wrote...

Despite what some may think, all other options that "Geth Sympathizers" have mentioned that the Quarians could have done, have been made in retrospect, and are inaccurate. The Quarian's actions in the Morning War were the only strategically viable options.

You'll never get them to admit that.

Does one have to be a Geth Sympathizer if they don't want the Quarians to go to war?  Just checkin'.

[Moiaussi]

scotchtape622 wrote...

I believe Tali put it correctly (if I remember right) when saying:
(not an exact quote) "The Quarians made a mistake in creating the Geth, but they were right for trying to disable them once they started thinking for themselves."

Despite what some may think, all other options that "Geth Sympathizers" have mentioned that the Quarians could have done, have been made in retrospect, and are inaccurate. The Quarian's actions in the Morning War were the only strategically viable options.

Really... so you really feel that the world is worse off because Kennedy and Khrushchev decided to talk instead of launch?

[scotchtape622]

Moiaussi, where are you getting your information from? I do not remember the mention of a kill code or anything like that.

EDIT:
Upsettingshorts, I'd prefer for them not to go to war either, and that would be as a last result, after the war with the Reapers.

Moiaussi, that is the biggest strawman argument I have seen in my entire life.

Modifié par scotchtape622, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[upsettingshorts]

For fun:

William Adama says...
The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high ... [after looking at crowd] but sometimes it's too high.
You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question, why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy. And we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done. Like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. When that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.

I'm for the Quarians not getting themselves killed. I'm for recognition that, for whatever mistakes were made in their creation, the Geth are a sentient race. I'm for both sides sitting down and recognizing that whats past is past, but their future lies in co-existence.

If that makes me a "Geth Sympathizer" than label away.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If that makes me a "Geth Sympathizer" than label away.

When we formally inaugurate the terran empire your kind will have no place except before the firing squad.

Lol, I think you've been watching too much "Startrek Enterprise" bro.

Modifié par bobobo878, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:43 .

[ObserverStatus]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

1. Quarian flotilla = flying junk community housing. They're screwed in ship to ship combat.
2. Quarians are going to be screwed in ground combat due to comprised envirosuits. "Cover me while I disinfect?" Screwed again.
3. Why fight to reclaim a world that the geth don't even "live" on? Apparently they cleaned it up for the return of the creators. Open peace talks and make it easier on everybody, thus gaining 2 new
allies in the war against the reapers.

I think the quarians are planning to attack the Geth with hackers, not spaceships and troopers.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Lol, I think you've been watching too much "Startrek Enterprise" bro.

Never seen it.

In it there is a Terran Empire which executes alien sympathisers.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Since when does Star Trek have a Terran Empire?

It was a parallel universe.  I don't remeber everything about it, only saw about 2 episodes.

[Nightwriter]

Renegades seem to make themselves hypocrites of their own Religion of Practicality by advocating war on the geth.

Guys like Shand want a war out of prejudice and suspicion against the geth, despite the fact that the Reapers are coming and it will hurt everyone if both sides are embroiled in a huge conflict.

If the darkspawn themselves arrived in the galaxy, Shepard should still try to avoid war. It is impractical to declare war on the velociraptor when the T-rex is coming.

[Dave of Canada]

Nightwriter wrote...

If the darkspawn themselves arrived in the galaxy, Shepard should still try to avoid war.

But there won't be a galaxy to save if the Archdemon wins before the Reapers get here!

[ObserverStatus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Renegades seem to make themselves hypocrites of their own Religion of Practicality by advocating war on the geth.

Guys like Shand want a war out of prejudice and suspicion against the geth, despite the fact that the Reapers are coming and it will hurt everyone if both sides are embroiled in a huge conflict.

If the darkspawn themselves arrived in the galaxy, Shepard should still try to avoid war. It is impractical to declare war on the velociraptor when the T-rex is coming.

They could wipe out the darkspawn without diminishing their ability to fight the reapers.  Shepard could just go back to the ship, and nuke the whole site from orbit, and still make it back to the citadel in time for dinner.

[ObserverStatus]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

If the darkspawn themselves arrived in the galaxy, Shepard should still try to avoid war.

But there won't be a galaxy to save if the Archdemon wins before the Reapers get here!

We're talking about the Archdemon, not the zerg here.  I seriously doubt it can fly through space at ftl, otherwise why would it take so long to reach denerim?

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Guys like Shand want a war out of prejudice and suspicion against the geth, despite the fact that the Reapers are coming and it will hurt everyone if both sides are embroiled in a huge conflict.

You haven't read my posts very carefully. You see, this is why I said you aren't good at reading comprehension.

The quarians going to war with the geth benefits nobody if it is long and bloody. I only support a war if Xen can get her virus to work in which case the war will be short and bloodless, and won't rob the galaxy of a geth army to throw at the Reapers. (nor a quarian army)

Is there any way to ensure that it would succeed?  Because if it were to fail, the Geth would surely retaliate.

[Dave of Canada]

bobobo878 wrote...

Is there any way to ensure that it would succeed?  Because if it were to fail, the Geth would surely retaliate.

While I doubt it could work entirely without more large-scale tests, I assume the Quarian virus could work if completed. Add in Project Overlord if you kept David in the machine and you've probably got a lot higher chance to succeed.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Guys like Shand want a war out of prejudice and suspicion against the geth, despite the fact that the Reapers are coming and it will hurt everyone if both sides are embroiled in a huge conflict.

You haven't read my posts very carefully. You see, this is why I said you aren't good at reading comprehension.

The quarians going to war with the geth benefits nobody if it is long and bloody. I only support a war if Xen can get her virus to work in which case the war will be short and bloodless, and won't rob the galaxy of a geth army to throw at the Reapers. (nor a quarian army)

I understand you perfectly, and read all your posts.

Generally, you try to base your logic off assuming that given courses of action will be easy simply because you imagine them to be easy. Like Xen's virus.

The decision to go to war is always messy. The fact that the Admiralty Board is divided means that Xen will be met with at least a little resistance. The stability of the quarian people may be threatened. Legion now knows that the quarians have developed technology against them, and will have warned the true geth, who will now be prepared.

The most dangerous thing you can do is assume that this war will be over quickly, and will be won without a hiccup.