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[Arijharn]

I'd back Koris, and would even assassinate Xen and/or Gerrel if they were too disruptive (and if the Geth thought it'd be best).

[Chuvvy]

Peace. But if they go to war I want a front row seat to them getting wrecked.

[Darc_Requiem]

I'd have to support Koris. He seems to be the only Quarian that realizes the entire situation is the fault of the Quarians. Han'Gerrel seems like an honorable man but the Geth with obliterate the Migrant Fleet. Xen would make Overlord look like a stubbed toe. Her actions may make the Geth decide that simply staying away from organics isn't enough and wiping them out would be more sensible.

[upsettingshorts]

The peace option as well. Never had much sympathy for the Quarian position.

[HomicidialFrog]

Peace. As someone else said if theres no way to change their minds and make them not go to war. I want to watch the Quarian race get destroyed for their stupidity. (If there that arrogant they deserve it.)



The Quarians seem to think that there the badasses of the Galaxy. In reality there the laughing stock of the Galaxy. They can be killed by the common cold. They get infections from bullets. There small and thin-looking. They got owned by a small number of Geth when there was billions of them. Now there's millions of Geth and only a small number of them yet they expect to wipe them out somehow.



Koris seems to be the only one who isn't a blind patriot of the Quarians and knows 100% that the Quarians are pathetic and the Geth are the most powerfulest faction in the game.

[Darc_Requiem]

Outside of the immune system issue, going by what Grunt says, Quarians are pretty sturdy physically.

[Pacifien]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Personally think the Quarians need to give up Eden and colonize elsewhere. Maybe pick up discussion on retaking the Homeworld after they have a stable environment.

Tali would never go for that plan though, as she would never live long enough to be able to remove her suit going that route.

I back Koris aka Qwib-Qwib. The Geth are not only peaceful, they are actually maintaining the Quarian homeworld's ecosystem for the day their wayward parents return. But without that conflict driving the Quarians they'll undergo a pretty radical shift.

What Tali wants versus what's actually good for the Quarians do not have to be the same. Of course she wants to be able to remove her suit permanently within her own lifetime. I'm sure every Quarian of the past 300 years wanted the same thing as well. But acting on your desires can lead to reckless decisions.

Also, while the Geth might not be living on the homeworld, people make the assumption that if they allowed the Quarians back, the Geth would actually leave. Afterall, they have no reason to stay, yes? Only we don't know what the Geth actually think about the situation. It'd be easy if they brokered peace and the Quarians could return to their homeworld while the Geth left Quarians space. Not so easy if the Geth agree to peace but then say they aren't leaving.

ETA: Wow, leave out a "not" and that can change the whole meaning, eh?

Modifié par Pacifien, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:12 .

[Water Dumple]

Pacifien wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Personally think the Quarians need to give up Eden and colonize elsewhere. Maybe pick up discussion on retaking the Homeworld after they have a stable environment.

Tali would never go for that plan though, as she would never live long enough to be able to remove her suit going that route.

I back Koris aka Qwib-Qwib. The Geth are not only peaceful, they are actually maintaining the Quarian homeworld's ecosystem for the day their wayward parents return. But without that conflict driving the Quarians they'll undergo a pretty radical shift.

What Tali wants versus what's actually good for the Quarians do not have to be the same. Of course she wants to be able to remove her suit permanently within her own lifetime. I'm sure every Quarian of the past 300 years wanted the same thing as well. But acting on your desires can lead to reckless decisions.

Also, while the Geth might be living on the homeworld, people make the assumption that if they allowed the Quarians back, the Geth would actually leave. Afterall, they have no reason to stay, yes? Only we don't know what the Geth actually think about the situation. It'd be easy if they brokered peace and the Quarians could return to their homeworld while the Geth left Quarians space. Not so easy if the Geth agree to peace but then say they aren't leaving.

Actually, the Legion mentions that in a conversation. "We live within space stations. Draw resources from asteroids. It is efficient. We maintain mobile platforms on creator worlds to clean rubble and toxins left by the Morning War."  It also sounds as if the Geth are open to peace and allowing cooexistence if it benefits the Quarians' state, since giving the planet back will not actually have an adverse effect on the Geth. As it says again, "Both creators and created must complete their halves of the equation. We cannot solve for peace alone."

Because Han'Gerrel says that he almost had the votes to go to war, it's most likely that the Fleet has simply never attempted to communicate peacefully with the Geth, because they suppose that they're all like the Heretics. They recognize the flaw they made in casting the first stone at the Geth, but assume that the Geth have permanently changed because of the constant influence of the Heretics.

[Giggles_Manically]

Koris has the right idea really, but comes off as someone who isint very charismatic.



Gerrel comes off as an "old battleship", but sound reasonable, and personable.

I think he is slightly deluded and stuck in his ways, but still cool.



Xen is just nuts really, hope that she dosent do something gigantically retarded.

[Yeti13]

I want peace but i do feel bad for the Quarians, They did exactly what humanity would have done and paid for it. They have both suffered enough.

[ArcanistLibram]

Peace, because Legion is my bros.

[Justicar]

I'd back Koris, but that's not to say that Xen's idea is a bad one.



I don't like her idea or agree with it, but it's not a bad one.

[Pacifien]

Water Dumple wrote...
Actually, the Legion mentions that in a conversation. "We live within space stations. Draw resources from asteroids. It is efficient. We maintain mobile platforms on creator worlds to clean rubble and toxins left by the Morning War."  It also sounds as if the Geth are open to peace and allowing cooexistence if it benefits the Quarians' state, since giving the planet back will not actually have an adverse effect on the Geth. As it says again, "Both creators and created must complete their halves of the equation. We cannot solve for peace alone."

I actually mistyped what I originally wrote. I know the Geth aren't actually on the homeworld. What I was trying to say was that there's no indication from the Geth that they'd leave that area of space just because the Quarians want it.

So then it becomes an issue of whether or not the Quarians could accept returning to the homeworld if they had to share the surrounding space with the Geth. Or even if the Geth could trust the Quarians to their claims of peace that they could coexist within the same space. Some Quarians would never be able to accept a single Geth in their territory. Some Geth will bring the "attacked 100% of the time" aspect of the Quarians into the equation as well.

Oftentimes, when I see the discussion about the Geth relinquishing the homeworld, the assumption is made that the Geth will actually leave for new space, leaving Quarian space behind. They could have done that by now, but I bet as much as they've evovled since the Morning War, their most basic runtimes still attaches their livelihood to their original roles within Quarian space.

[Yeti13]

The Quarians are the most tech savvy race, they could help the Geth build their dyson sphere in return for the geth maintain the home world and colonies in the

[Pacifien]

I don't even think the entire Reaper fleet could build a dyson sphere.

[Exile Isan]

A Dyson Sphere isn't exactly what the Geth are looking for, Legion just used that for lack of better term. I always pictured what they wanted to build looking like the Death Star from Star Wars. Without the weaponry of course. All the Geth really want is a "platform" to upload all the Geth programs to, so they will no longer be a "shattered mind".

[NICKjnp]

None... let the Quarians waste away.  I'll leave the Geth Homeworld for the Geth.

[xlavaina]

Pacifien wrote...

I don't even think the entire Reaper fleet could build a dyson sphere.

Agreed. Every ship in the Milky Way combined couldn't build a Dyson Sphere. A Dyson Sphere would have to be millions of miles away from a star, on all sides. It's diameter would have to be so large its almost incomprehensible. Not only that, it would use billions of gallons of fuel every few minutes, as keeping something like that stable in space would be a huge pain. 

Anyway back on topic. Bioware clearly setup the conflict with the Geth for resolution in ME3. Not only do the Geth not live on Rannoch, they are actually cleaning the planet from the remnants of the Morning War. Basically, the Geth dont even operate on the planet. Responding to the OP's question, Koris would definitely be the man to go with for the resolution. The Geth Fleet is absolutely gigantic at this point. The Quarians couldn't even take back the Alerai, do they really expect to take back a planet, surrounded by an entire top of the line Geth Fleet? Its just not happening like that. If Shep somehow has the option to chose which admiral to go with, choosing anyone but Koris should result in disaster. 

[MrFob]

Well, peace does sound like the best option but the question remains, is it feasible? I get the impression that Koris stands alone with his view, not just in the admiralty board. Granted, in Ascension some of them make a push for a colonization effort elsewhere, but it sounded like that would be a precursor for a long term plan to prepare for the inevitable war.

If peace is made, at least the majority of the quarians would have to honastly reject their aversion (or at least aggression) towards the geth and I don't see that happening soon.

Besides, how far can we trust legion? Is an AI not capable to lie as well? As Joker put it: "Good work on revolutionizing these geth commander, THAT'll never bite us in the ass."

[xlavaina]

I believe peace is feasible. Why would the Geth be cleaning up the homeworld? They don't even use it. I personally believe that the Geth are just as mart as the Quarians as a race, so they must realize that the war was a drastic misunderstanding of the worst kind. They probably want peace just as much as the Quarians need it.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
Admiral Xen has the most practical approach. I'd support all the admirals to varying degrees. Peace talks might not produce anything worthwhile, in which case you need to be ready for war. A fleet conflict is undesirable but it would be doable if Xen were able to complete her research.

Xen's research could be the most bloodless end to the quarian/geth conflict, that's for sure. Unfortunately, rather than using her research to disable the geth and dismantle them, she believes she also has the means to produce an instant army at her command. The geth have already shown their unpredictable nature in terms of hacking and evolution of their programming. Xen's fix will always be another patch job over what's already a patchwork design. If the geth are little more than machines, then stop upgrading 1.0 and come out with 2.0 already.

But really, if peace talks aren't going to work out, quarians seriously need to think about colonizing a new world. Keeping to the Migrant Fleet isn't ever going to make them strong enough to take on the Geth.

[Water Dumple]

In general, they need to get a planet as fast as possible for some security during the coming of the Reapers. That means going for the Homeworld, despite the risks. Attempting to rewrite the Geth will require additional time, research, and will most likely start more conflicts as the Geth are sure to resist. All the while, the whole race gets weaker and closer to extinction.
Sending a peace envoy would result in either the loss of one ship and simplification of the options, or setting the entire fleet on a better trajectory.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[Richard21Magnus]

I side with Captain of the Qwuib-Qwuib.

I'm not going to debate his views on the Geth, I don't completely agree with him on that. However, the Quarians are in desperate need to plant their feet and grow once more, while adapting themselves to the galaxy at large once more. If they were even to consider fighting for their homeworld, they would need to have a safe haven for their non-combatant citizens.

Granted, this would all depend on the councils permission to colonize a planet, coupled by their need to get the resources to build said colony. That said, any other obstacle is just defense, a little elbow grease, and perhaps some bio-scientists to work on their immune systems for their new colony ... and their set to go. It may take a while, but it will serve the Quarian people more than to dive into a war with the Geth once more.

On the other side, war with the Geth, from what I saw, is a bad idea. They barely have enough resources to stay afloat in space, they barely have the numbers or the capacity to replenish them, and their current state of body leaves them in a condition that could make a gun shot wound fatal merely by being shot in the (insert non-fatal strike area here).

Right now they need to resettle, restart, and rebuild. 300 years is punishment enough, let them get on with their lives once more.

[Pacifien]

Water Dumple wrote...
In general, they need to get a planet as fast as possible for some security during the coming of the Reapers. That means going for the Homeworld, despite the risks.*snip*

Why the Homeworld? Getting wiped out by the Geth just trying to reach their Homeworld isn't any more secure than being wiped out by the Reapers.

In fact, if the Quarians want to take the Reapers under consideration on what their next step should be (as they should), staying a mobile fleet at this time is probably smarter than settling down on one easily conquerable (by Reaper standards) world.