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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Mike2640 wrote...

My feeling on that is that since the Geth dont owe them anything, the Quarians should have to make some severe reparations to the Geth before they'd give the planet back. I'd side with Qwib-Qwib, funny name and all. As much as I liked her, Tali always irritated me with her Quarian victim-complex.

I feel the Geth should keep the planet, and the Quarians can settle somewhere else. They lost the right to a good planet when they tried to commit genocide.

What? The Geth exterminated virtually the entire quarian population and presumably would have wiped them out entirely had they not fled. The Geth owe the Quarians a debt greater than they could ever repay. Legion even ackwoledges that the Geth did them great harm during the morning war. The quarians should not have to pay reperations to the same race that committed genocide upon them and reduced them to scattered disenfranchised nomads.

Anyway, refering to the OP, I'd back Koris. Despite everything I think that the Geth have a right to exist and peace offering are the best way to ensure that both the Quarians and Geth continue to do so. The Geth don't seem particuarlly interesting in the former quarian holdings. I suspect they could be persuaded to just leave and never come back if needed. I kind of sympathise with Han'gerrel on multiple levels but his ideas would be bad for the fleet. The price that would have to be paid by the quarian people and the galaxy as a whole  (because te reapers are coming) would be too high. And Xen is just a loon. I may love listening to her speak because I love Claudia Black, but I think most of what she actually says is just nonsense.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:46 .

[Kavadas]

Frankly, the Quarians retaking their homeworld is a worthy pursuit and I support them in it, Reaper threat and all.

Until Legion showed up no one cared about the Geth or knew there were two factions. Frankly, I still don't. Legion is no testament to the Geth anyways; he's his own machine (so to speak) but people get mislead about the Geth by sympathy for Legion.  Let's not forget the Geth, Legion's Geth, massacred billions of Quarians.

From what we know of the ME universe it's the greatest act of genocide in galactic history that wasn't perpetrated by the Reapers.

And you people honestly want peace with them?

I'd go for peace in so far as using the Geth as a disposable tool against the Reapers but at the end of the day they deserve to be destroyed for what they've done.

The main problem with the Quarrians is that they simply aren't cut out for war (even with Kal'Reegar).  So my ultimate position is that if there's an assured path to victory to getting the Quarrians back on Rannoch then I'll support and aid them.

I can totally sympathize with a Quarian suicidal assault of Rannoch though and I would not deny them that if it's what they truly wanted.

If I was a Quarian I'd want every Geth in existence trashed and a few hundred years of getting their immune systems back on track would be a small price to pay to have any type of national pride again.

Modifié par Kavadas, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Spartas Husky]

Lil late but... who would I back .... non, they are all politicians, each with their own agenda. Either blind, stupid, or a mix of both.



Either way, hopefully they dont have to "reclaim" their homeworld, hopefully it will be given to them. Otherwise it would just leve the geth and quarians, of no use in the future.

[DPSSOC]

Shandepared wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

 Xen's fix will always be another patch job over what's already a patchwork design. If the geth are little more than machines, then stop upgrading 1.0 and come out with 2.0 already.

Fortune favors the bold, or so they say. If the quarians begin settling on a world, any world, they will need an army to protect them and machines to build for them. The geth could fill this role better than any other.

Or they could do it themselves, you know just throwin it out there.

[Moiaussi]

Kavadas wrote...

Frankly, the Quarians retaking their homeworld is a worthy pursuit and I support them in it, Reaper threat and all.

Until Legion showed up no one cared about the Geth or knew there were two factions. Frankly, I still don't. Legion is no testament to the Geth anyways; he's his own machine (so to speak) but people get mislead about the Geth by sympathy for Legion.  Let's not forget the Geth, Legion's Geth, massacred billions of Quarians.

From what we know of the ME universe it's the greatest act of genocide in galactic history that wasn't perpetrated by the Reapers.

And you people honestly want peace with them?

I'd go for peace in so far as using the Geth as a disposable tool against the Reapers but at the end of the day they deserve to be destroyed for what they've done.

The main problem with the Quarrians is that they simply aren't cut out for war (even with Kal'Reegar).  So my ultimate position is that if there's an assured path to victory to getting the Quarrians back on Rannoch then I'll support and aid them.

I can totally sympathize with a Quarian suicidal assault of Rannoch though and I would not deny them that if it's what they truly wanted.

If I was a Quarian I'd want every Geth in existence trashed and a few hundred years of getting their immune systems back on track would be a small price to pay to have any type of national pride again.

Actually, I spoke at length on behalf of the Geth during discussions on these boards of ME1, that we were simply assuming that they were all hostile and that we should investigate what their politics are really like before jumping into full out war with them. The same rhetoric the Quarian admirals were using was used by those in favour of war, too, namely that we (the Alliance) now have the largest fleet (ignoring the fact that that is only the largest known fleet, and that it is only largest by default. Appearantly the Migrant Fleet now consider themselves bigger than the surviving Alliance navy. Seems unlikely, especially in terms of actual warships, considering they have had nowhere to build any actual new ships.

As for genocide, you completely ignore the fact that the Quarians tried that first. They tossed aside even the thought of talking or working out equality in favour of the attempted mass destruction of every existing Geth. The Geth were defending themselves. Appearantly, you think the Geth should just have laid down and died, even though the Quarians were the actual agressors

Destroyed for what they have done....based on that logic, if your Shep killed the Rachnii queen, Humanity should be destroyed for what he had done, as should all Council races, regardless. Humans should be destroyed anyway (based on that logic) due to past human attempts at genocide on Earth. Krogan should be for their attempt at taking over. Bit nihilistic and self defeating, there, don't you think? Kill everyone, including us, who has committed or attempted genocide in the past, regardless of reasons or any other logic?

[flem1]

None: they're all shortsighted and incompetent. Obviously only Admiral Tali or Shep will suit the job.

[xlavaina]

flem1 wrote...

None: they're all shortsighted and incompetent. Obviously only Admiral Tali or Shep will suit the job.

Hahaha this 

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
Not as efficiently. Repurposing their fleet to provide settlements on a planet would consume most of their manpower and resources. It would take decades to complete. However if they had a large force of machines to do this for them it could be done much faster. Thus, the geth.

You mean those machines that unexpectedly turned on them and nearly wiped them out? They should use those machines to rebuild their settlements?

The geth are notoriously hard software to crack. If you do manage it, there's no guarantee it will stick. Even Legion admits that a virus written by the geth (Heretics) doesn't guarantee 100% effectiveness against other geth.

Doesn't matter if it takes decades to create a substantial colony again. They wasted 300 years already on the dream that the only world worth living on was their homeworld. Now their only excuse is they demand immediate satisfaction as opposed to taking the hard way.

[xlavaina]

^ This.



the Geth are even cleaning up the planet they don't use. BW is kinda hinting here that the Geth would either be indifferent, or even accepting, towards the Quarian return.

[Pacifien]

Legion also indicates the Geth are evolving from their original purpose. They might only want the return of the Creators on equal footing, but I don't think there's anything in the game indicating one way or the other on that.

Infecting them in small groups, should the Geth catch wind of it, then becomes an act of war, inciting the Geth finally to finish the job.

And I'd go with the harder path if the easier path can backfire quite dramatically. The Quarians as a civilization are fragile. They don't have the luxury of taking chances that fail.

[Pacifien]

xlavaina wrote...
the Geth are even cleaning up the planet they don't use. BW is kinda hinting here that the Geth would either be indifferent, or even accepting, towards the Quarian return.

I'd be so very disappointed if the Geth welcomed the Quarians return and not a single Quarian rose up in arms to avenge their ancestors in spite of whatever peace treaty was brokered.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

this should be a DLC...

[KainrycKarr]

Militarily, and logically, the Quarians and the Geth need to be united as equals. Any other solution weakens both factions as military assets for Shepard.

[xlavaina]

Pacifien wrote...

xlavaina wrote...
the Geth are even cleaning up the planet they don't use. BW is kinda hinting here that the Geth would either be indifferent, or even accepting, towards the Quarian return.

I'd be so very disappointed if the Geth welcomed the Quarians return and not a single Quarian rose up in arms to avenge their ancestors in spite of whatever peace treaty was brokered.

Oh don't worry I fully expect that. But the Quarians as a whole cannot go to war. The Geth have hundreds of thousands of state of the art ships. The Quarains have something like 50,000 ragged, old, some 300 year old ships, most of which aren't even designed for combat. 

If the Quarians engaged the Geth in direct combat, they would be obliterated, for sure. This is why Xen and Korris are the only two probable choices to ending the conflict. I personally believe that Xen's method would not work, since the Geth are extremely potent techs and will definitely detect a virus throughout their neural network, so that probably wouldn't work. I think peace is the way to go. But I agree with you, Pacifien, there will definitely be some radical Quarians that go nuts; hopefully that will be part of the resolution, like easing rising tensions from these radical attacks. 

Btw, agreed with second to last post. NO DLC. I want a full fledged mission(s) with full dialog from all squad members, along with some awesome persuasions depending on whether or not Tali is there, outcomes from trial, etc. 

Modifié par xlavaina, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:46 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Shandepared wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

The Geth have hundreds of thousands of state of the art ships.

You know this how?

If the geth were that powerful the heretics would have never been a threat to them. The geth could have simply attacked the heretic station with their massive fleet and blown it to smithereens. No need for a risky special operations mission.

Maybe not though. Legion does say the geth were allowed the heretics to leave, and only later were shocked at how hostile they were acting. I think he says he only recently learned about the virus being made to you. So maybe the Geth didnt want to risk their own stuff to go after it.

Not the first time Shep is the one who gets sent in by a powerful faction really.

[AresXX7]

Overall, I agree with Koris, they need to establish peace. I do believe Gerrel would accept an proposal of peace, if he becomes aware of the Geth's view on peace, to prevent the loss of lives due to war. Xen presents the most destabilizing element with her plans for experimentation.

Pacifien wrote...
You mean those machines that unexpectedly turned on them and nearly wiped them out? They should use those machines to rebuild their settlements?

I wouldn't say it was unexpected, the Quarians cast the first stone after they asked if they had a soul.

The geth are notoriously hard software to crack. If you do manage it, there's no guarantee it will stick. Even Legion admits that a virus written by the geth (Heretics) doesn't guarantee 100% effectiveness against other geth.

This is why I think Xen presents the biggest threat, towards a peaceful coexistance, with her desire for experimenting on the Geth. 

Doesn't matter if it takes decades to create a substantial colony again. They wasted 300 years already on the dream that the only world worth living on was their homeworld. Now their only excuse is they demand immediate satisfaction as opposed to taking the hard way.

This is the best reasoning I've seen for not  feeling too sorry for their current predicament.

ETA: forgot a word

Modifié par AriesXX7, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[xlavaina]

Shandepared wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

The Geth have hundreds of thousands of state of the art ships.

You know this how?

If the geth were that powerful the heretics would have never been a threat to them. The geth could have simply attacked the heretic station with their massive fleet and blown it to smithereens. No need for a risky special operations mission.

Bleh you're right. It was just a speculation. All I'm saying is that the Geth have had 300 years to grow in force and develop, while the Quarians have devoted all of their skill and resources to survival. In other words, the Geth could easily overpower the Quarians if they wanted. 

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont like how the Quarians say "ITS NOT OUR FAULT".

Um yeah it really is.



They created machines that had the ability to grow more intelligent, leading to them breaking out of normal programing.

They built a whackload of them with zero restrictions.

Then when the Geth started asking questions, they tried to kill them.



The geth didnt do anything wrong, they reacted to an aggresor the only way they could by fighting back. I really hope the Quarians are dumb enough to try and start a fight with the Geth.

[philiposophy]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
The geth didnt do anything wrong, they reacted to an aggresor the only way they could by fighting back. I really hope the Quarians are dumb enough to try and start a fight with the Geth.

Well, they kind of did. The geth killed a hell of a lot of quarians. I don't think they were exclusively combatants.

The geth were provoked sure, but they overreacted.