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[Giggles_Manically]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont like how the Quarians say "ITS NOT OUR FAULT".

I don't recall them ever saything that. I will say that I'm not too fond of the tendency of people to judge entire species this way. Why don't you go and tell Lia' Vael that she deserves to be a homeless vagrant forced to beg for handouts? Three hundred years ago some programmers made a mistake so SHE deserves a life of hardship and want.

I was more refering to the attitude that many Quarians have that they are the innocent party.
They tried to kill the geth, and fired the first shots.

Do I think the current Quarians are guilty of anything, no.
The Quarians who tried to wipe out the geth, are though.

[Giggles_Manically]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I was more refering to the attitude that many Quarians have that they are the innocent party.

That's because they are. Any guilty quarians died three hundred years ago and the rest of the survivors were guilty of nothing more than self preservation.

They are currently innocent yes.
Many of the come off seeming that the ORIGINAL action was not wrong though.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Yeah 300 years removed from what we are talking about really.

I would support Han Gerrel though, mainly since Simon T voices him, and he dosent come off as an ass to you really.

[Giggles_Manically]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I would support Han Gerrel though, mainly since Simon T voices him, and he dosent come off as an ass to you really.

Really, just because of his voice? I think he's a nice guy too but his plans for war would be too costly, even if the quarians win.

None of their plans really can work by themselves though.
Qwib x2 is not forceful enough to get peace.
Xen may just make the Geth angry
Gerrel may start a war.

But then we got caught in the same thing they did. Xen sees the Geth as toys or tools underestimating them, Gerrel sees them as some foe to crush, and Qwib Qwib sees them as their wayward children to cuddle.

None of those approaches will work really. Which is most likely where Shep comes in.

[xlavaina]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I would support Han Gerrel though, mainly since Simon T voices him, and he dosent come off as an ass to you really.

Really, just because of his voice? I think he's a nice guy too but his plans for war would be too costly, even if the quarians win.

None of their plans really can work by themselves though.
Qwib x2 is not forceful enough to get peace.
Xen may just make the Geth angry
Gerrel may start a war.

But then we got caught in the same thing they did. Xen sees the Geth as toys or tools underestimating them, Gerrel sees them as some foe to crush, and Qwib Qwib sees them as their wayward children to cuddle.

None of those approaches will work really. Which is most likely where Shep comes in.

Thats where Shep comes in 

[NKKKK]

Han Gerrel = Kain the Vampire.

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

I don't recall them ever saything that. I will say that I'm not too fond of the tendency of people to judge entire species this way. Why don't you go and tell Lia' Vael that she deserves to be a homeless vagrant forced to beg for handouts? Three hundred years ago some programmers made a mistake so SHE deserves a life of hardship and want.

And those programmers' descendants are still hand wringing over their loss rather than looking for constructive solutions like colonies. You don't need to settle everyone at once any more than the entire Human population suddenly moved out into the Terminus systems. Start small, terraform, rebuild. Most importantly, start.

[Moiaussi]

philiposophy wrote...

Well, they kind of did. The geth killed a hell of a lot of quarians. I don't think they were exclusively combatants.

The geth were provoked sure, but they overreacted.

They reacted to genocide with genocide, however they were (1) a new race, and (2) I don't seem to recall anything about the Quarians trying to surrender or stopping fighting back.

Did the Quarians ever consider any of the Geth non-combatants? At any point? Including currently?

[Eradyn]

Quib Quib has my support. Peace with the Geth would be the best way to go, especially after my conversations with Legion and learning that the Geth are actually just caretakers of the homeworld, cleaning up garbage left on its surface as they "live" in stations out in space. I actually do think peace between their people is possible, although the idea of a "reaper" Geth has me wondering what will happen when all the Geth upload themselves into that construct. Hopefully they don't reach the conclusion to assimilate or destroy all organic life...as the reapers obviously did. XD

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

The Geth have hundreds of thousands of state of the art ships.

You know this how?

If the geth were that powerful the heretics would have never been a threat to them. The geth could have simply attacked the heretic station with their massive fleet and blown it to smithereens. No need for a risky special operations mission.

The Heretics were a threat by way of programming. If the Geth were able to write a program to simultaneously re-program all Heretics and/or destroy them en mass, presumably the Heretics could do the same back to the main body of Geth.

If the Geth are smart, they will firewall up, even if it means chains of command and more individualism. It is possible they have already... The heretics were isolated from the main body somehow....

Meanwhile though, while it might not be 100's of thousands, there is every reason to beleive the main body of Geth do have a fleet, that it is state of the art, and likely has actual warships (since if nothing else many would have been siezed in the rebellion). It makes no sense that they would have nothing but the drop ships, i.e. relatively lightly armed troop transports the Heretics had. Those could be taken down with small arms!

Speaking of which, it is innane that the Normandy always seems to ignore and/or avoid them.... safe bet that the Normandy has bigger guns than Shepard carries, and that if it takes two hits from a cruiser to disable her at point blank, that even the SR-1 could handle nigh unlimited small arms.

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

I consider gaining control of the geth and reclaiming the homeworld to be constructive.

Despite the fact that they nearly lost a ship to their own research, and would have if not for the timely intervention of an outsider? And considering they eschew all alternatives?

It could have been a lot worse too... if Geth had taken over quick enough, they could have rammed one of the other ships, or at least caused serious damage before being taken down.

[xlavaina]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

It makes no sense that they would have nothing but the drop ships, i.e. relatively lightly armed troop transports the Heretics had.

I never said that was the extent of their fleet. What I wanted to know is where the "hundreds of thousands" number was coming from. Nothing in game indicates that. They might have a large fleet, sure, but I doubt it is bigger than the quarians. Keep in mind as well that a significant proportion of the geth's 'manpower' must be devoted to clean-up on the quarian worlds and the construction of their dyson sphere. In the end their fleet might not be much bigger than the heretic fleet (a purely military force that didn't need to worry about building a dyson sphere or cleaning up planets).

Ok I'm sorry about the hundreds of thousands comment. THERE IS NO PROOF. It was a speculation that their force is extremely large, thats all. But in this case, numbers dont really matter. One Geth Frigate could easily destroy quite a few Migrant Fleet ships. Besides, all the Geth would have to do is use a one dreadnought. Three shots, one for each live ship, and the Quarians would essentially starve to death within a few days. 

Bottom line. 

Geth fleet > Quarian fleet

Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

[ZehnWaters]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Many of the come off seeming that the ORIGINAL action was not wrong though.

I agree with them, but that's an entirely separate debate I suppose.

I agree with them too.

[xlavaina]

The Geth have been developing, improving and upgrading for 300 years. The Quarians have blatantly needed to spend all their resources surviving and purchasing new ships. Multiple Quarians have stated multiple times that sometimes they bring back ragged ships from their pilgrimages, and things like that. They absolutely do not have the resources to support a fleet. Maybe a few warships, but nothing that could stand up to a top of the line Geth ship. Oh, and we haven't just seen dropships. There was a large frigate/cruiser in ME1 if my memory serves me right. And it was a big sucker.

[jbblue05]

I support David and project Overlord controlling the Geth

The Geth are not people they are just a bunch of simulated programs hogging resources that could be of use to Organics.

The Geth are too dangerous  and need to be hacked  PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN and scrapped for parts.

Quarian and Geth peaceful co-existing is too good to be true actually its impossible their is too much bad blood between the races and the Quarians won't feell safe while a Geth station and fleet orbits their planet.

Quarians will get PWNED beyond belief in a war with the the Geth.

Admiral Xen is thinking outside the box but trying to make them slaves again isn't going to turn out well and plus David and Archer already beat her to the punch.

I don't like Qwib Qwib but running away scared and spending another three centuries looking for a new homeworld might be the best choice for the Quarians.

Either way Quarians are an embarassment to the Galaxy

[VettoRyouzou]

Peace for many reason stated above but one I feel missed.

Quarians are not built for war, At least not in there current state I mean just think about it, if being Intimate with some one alone is enough to kill them then going out on a battle field is just flat out suicidal so I back Kal'reegar.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Admiral Koris.

Sure, he's not as charismatic or likeable as Han' Gerrel, but he's the only Admiral with a plan that is viable

Han' Gerrel wants to invade the Quarian homeworld despite the fact there are now only 17 million Quarians. If the Quarians lost to the Geth when they had a population in the billions, how could they possibly defeat the Geth now, when the Geth are almost certain to have a significant numerical advantage? He is also far too overconfident in the abilities of the Qurian Fleet. The Flotilla may be the largest collect of ships in the galaxy, but not all of them are warships, and many of those that are warships are ancient. It's likely the Quarian fleet would be both outnumbered and outclassed by the Geth. An invasion attempt on the Quarian homeworld would only end with the Quarians getting owned worse than they did in the first war.

Admiral Xen's plan of returning the Geth to Quarian servitude is just as likely to fail, and highly unethical to boot.

Finally, the Quarians were wrong in the initial war against the Geth. The Geth were only fighting for their own survival, just as any organic race would have done. The Quarians have no right to reclaim their former homeworld by force. It also seems as if the True Geth want peace with the Quarians, and it is only Quarian hostility that keeps the centuries old conflict going.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:29 .