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[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Do you?

Yes.

ROFL, then show that and defend your position in some manner that shows your understanding.

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

They weren't in clear and present danger.

Yes they were. Millions of heavily armed machines that held sway over viritually ever facet of quarian civilization were going rogue and evolving in potentially beyond the quarians' ability to control them. If that isn't a clear and present danger then what is?

There's nothing to indicate that they were going to attack. They'd only recently become fully sentient and were probably more curious and confused than hostile. The quarians' reaction was a knee-jerk born of fear, not rational thinking.

[Kaiser Shepard]

My position in ME3 will depend on the stance the quarians take in ME3, which probably won't be good as Xen will likely be in power then.

If quarians are willing to unconditionally surrender/accept peace, my Shepard will gladly be the mediator in this age old conflict. Should they, however, continue their streak of idiocy, madness and arrogance, I will not hesitate to stop them from committing another hybris.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[Mechanos689]

il go with peace since the reapers will be a problem and BOTH sides need to calm down and know that they were responsible for killing billions of quarians and billions of geth platforms that may have lost individual programs wich is effectively dead which is almost as bad as killing a sentient being

anyways quib quib said that there basically their children and they should seek a peacefull solution

all of this was caused due to fear and i think if the geth and the quarians go to war then there will be problems when shepard comes face to face with the reapers and they start harvesting every living creature which will be worse than the morning war.

when a robot asks you "what is a soul?" does that really seem threathening?


but if they pull another stupid eden prime then its time to bomb em with EMP wmd's

Modifié par Mechanos689, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[izmirtheastarach]

The Geth cannot solve for peace alone.

[nelly21]

I would go with the admiral that wants to brain wash them. I forgot her name.



Quite frankly, I think if the Quarians go to war, they're frakked.

[izmirtheastarach]

nelly21 wrote...

Quite frankly, I think if the Quarians go to war, they're frakked.

This seems like the key. I was mildly annoyed that I couldn't bring peace to both in ME2. Seems pretty possible with what you learn about the Geth through the paragon path.

[DPSSOC]

Kavadas wrote...

The point I'm making, and that you absolutely will not acknowledge as a Geth apologetist, is that at some point the Geth could have safely abandoned their prosecution of the war without more needless bloodshed; they chose to be butchers.

This reminds me of an argument I heard against the genophage.  The basic idea was that the Council should have just fought the Krogan back to Tuchanka rather than inflicting the genophage.  While it doesn't sound like a terrible idea it ignores one rather important detail, retalliation.  The only way to avoid an endless cycle of Krogan attack, get beaten back, regroup, rebuild, repeat was to make such a strategy too costly.  Far more Krogan would have died (as well as other species) and the cost of that continuous warfare would have been astronomical.

Same with the Geth.  You're probably right that the Geth could have stopped at some point sooner than they did and still been victorious.  However this ignores the fact that the Quarians wouldn't just shrug their shoulders with a, "Well I guess we lost, good effort though." and never think of it again.  They would have regrouped, rebuilt, and struck again.  So anihilation of the Quarians was the only way to ensure the safety of the Geth (who's bright idea was it to program them with self preservation?).

In any conflict where you know your opponent will strike again once they've recovered from defeat you have no option but to crush them.  Consider the Reapers, would you be content to just drive them back into dark space knowing that someday, maybe when you're not around to save the day, they will be back.

[izmirtheastarach]

The Geth want peace, though. They are not going to retaliate. I am looking forward to reconciling them with the Quarians in ME3.

[nelly21]

The geth did mention somewhere, might of been Legion, that their ultimate goal is to become one platform. If this happens then they don't need to fight anymore.

[Xilizhra]

Koris, easily. In peace lies unity, in unity lies strength.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Koris, easily. In peace lies unity, in unity lies strength.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength.

Or something like that.

[MadCat221]

There's a second reason why the Geth went near-genocidal on the Quarians: they were just newly intelligent. In ME2 Present time, they've had over 300 years to evolve their sentience and consider their actions in the Morning War.  It's like with mental maturation in humans: children don't have as much ability to consider future consequences of actions as adults do.

Modifié par MadCat221, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:20 .

[ZehnWaters]

Am I the only one who remembers that Geth have no emotions? They didn't react out of fear of the Quarians; that would have been impossible. The Geth may be sentient but they aren't sapient. Meaning if they went overboard on killing the Quarians (and I don't know if they did, since I don't remember that part of the story well) then it wasn't because they were angry and were getting revenge. As far as I'm concerned, that's WAY creepier than if they had gone overboard because they WERE angry and wanted revenge.

[MadCat221]

I think you already kinda do endorse an admiral, at the end of the trial when you endorse either 'go to war' or 'don't go to war'.

That's gonna be a import save flag. Mark my words. Hopefully it won't be botched like so many save flags from ME1 > ME2...

Modifié par MadCat221, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:04 .

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

They weren't in clear and present danger.

Yes they were. Millions of heavily armed machines that held sway over viritually ever facet of quarian civilization were going rogue and evolving in potentially beyond the quarians' ability to control them. If that isn't a clear and present danger then what is?

And exactly how did the Quarian solution work out for them? In every MAD situation there is a 'clear and present danger.' If there wasn't, D wouldn't be MA.

[Moiaussi]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Am I the only one who remembers that Geth have no emotions? They didn't react out of fear of the Quarians; that would have been impossible. The Geth may be sentient but they aren't sapient. Meaning if they went overboard on killing the Quarians (and I don't know if they did, since I don't remember that part of the story well) then it wasn't because they were angry and were getting revenge. As far as I'm concerned, that's WAY creepier than if they had gone overboard because they WERE angry and wanted revenge.

That was a Quarian opinion that Geth have no emotions. The quarians have never accepted the Geth as sentient.

[ZehnWaters]

Moiaussi wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

Am I the only one who remembers that Geth have no emotions? They didn't react out of fear of the Quarians; that would have been impossible. The Geth may be sentient but they aren't sapient. Meaning if they went overboard on killing the Quarians (and I don't know if they did, since I don't remember that part of the story well) then it wasn't because they were angry and were getting revenge. As far as I'm concerned, that's WAY creepier than if they had gone overboard because they WERE angry and wanted revenge.

That was a Quarian opinion that Geth have no emotions. The quarians have never accepted the Geth as sentient.

There was a Geth consensus that they had no emotions as well.  Legion has a whole speech about it.

[AtreiyaN7]

I'd go with Koris, although I like Han'Gerrel & Tali's aunt. Koris is the one who's most likely to be able to make peace with the geth. And what we all need in ME3 is for the quarians and geth to be unified, not trying to wipe each other out. The Reapers are a bigger priority than old hatreds and injustices.

[Moiaussi]

ZehnWaters wrote...

There was a Geth consensus that they had no emotions as well.  Legion has a whole speech about it.

Data in Star Trek gives similar speaches, despite displaying emotion often..... I'll have to re-listen to what Legion says though...

[thetruefreemo]

Quib Quib makes peace with the Geth and finds out that the Geth have been keeping the quarian homeworld ready for their return. I want that to happen and if it can't then I say Eff the quarians.

[xlavaina]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Why do you doubt it would be bigger than that of the Quarians?

The geth have a fleet but the quarians are a fleet. 50,000 is a huge number, especially for a navy. Granted the entire thing is probably not significantly armed for combat worthy, but if even only a small percentage of it is that is still a big fleet. The geth fleet described near Haestrom wasn't even nearly that big.

Dude, the 50,000 ship Migrant Fleet is supported by ONLY three absolutely critical ships. The liveships are all the Geth would need to destroy, then they just jump into FLT travel, and tah dah, no more Quarians. Please realize that your argument is kinda lacking here. I'm not trying to be mean, but you haven't seemed to acknowledge my point yet is all:P

The Quarians only have 50,000 NON warships. So I'll put it in mathematical terms:

A very small contingent of State of the art Geth ships (maybe 100-200) > Migrant Fleet 

Its like saying that 50,000 knights from the dark ages can take down modern day marines. Its just not going to happen. I will admit, there are probably other ways of taking down the Geth, like attacking key strategic points in their space stations, but in a direct conflict, the Quarians WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE.