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[brain_damage]

Tali's book purchases made me laugh. My Shep is female and she still has an awkward girlcrush on her, I think

[-Skorpious-]

brain_damage wrote...

Tali's book purchases made me laugh. My Shep is female and she still has an awkward girlcrush on her, I think

Or Adams.

[Eumerin]

Eternal Density wrote...

Garrus killing a weapon smuggler with a smuggled weapon.

No, what's awesome is Garrus killing a bioweapons expert with...  a COUGH!

Tali's book purchases made me laugh. My Shep is female and she still has an awkward girlcrush on her, I think

It could be innocent.  The logs on Haestrom suggest that she has a mild case of hero worship regarding Shepard regardless of what gender Shepard may be.  It's possible that she merely wants to better understand someone that she looks up to.

[FROST4584]

Miranda, Samera, Legion, and Jack I found to be most interesting. I guess because their backgrounds are the most mysterious.

Where do people get the idea that Kelly and Zaheed were hitting on one another? They were just talking.

Modifié par FROST4584, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:00 .

[Tyfreaky]

searanox wrote...

The ones where BioWare didn't make lame jokes and actually provided significant insight into the story, characters and game universe.

I think there was like, one of those. Out of twenty.

Dude I hate to say it but your a giant buzz kill, Bioware did not have to put the dossiers in at all, but they did , and you begrudge them having a little fun with it and giving their fans a bit of a thrill?

The dossiers and videos were there to fless out characters and as a reward for completing the DLC, but thats not good enough for you, each dossier must be 'serious business' because 'business is serious". People are more than just a collection of pertenent facts and data, and sometimes you learn more about a person through what they find is funny or what there interest are, or what they purchase.
But you want everyone to read Tsun Zu's Art ot War, and purchase items that are 'serious' like guns and diaries for talking about how grim life is and how seriously grim being serious is.

While I can appreciate you having a critical eye for the game, at this point your almost becoming a troll, who is trolling everything else anyone finds slightly amusing or interesting.

Like my grandmother use to say:
If your someplace and everybody is smiling and having a good time:D, and you cant understand why, it might be YOU  with the problem, not them.

Bioware did something which a VAST amount of its customers liked, except for you, at this point I dont think the issue is with what bioware did or did not do. I think the issue is your PERCEPTION of what they did or did not do.

Because everyone else at the party is having a great time, while your in the corner wondering why everyone is having fun when OBVIOUSLY the chips are not the  Salt 'n Vinigar Utz that you like, and the punch is red instead of blue.

Modifié par Tyfreaky, 09 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[Collider]

Well done by Bioware.

[searanox]

Tyfreaky wrote...

searanox wrote...

The ones where BioWare didn't make lame jokes and actually provided significant insight into the story, characters and game universe.

I think there was like, one of those. Out of twenty.

Dude I hate to say it but your a giant buzz kill, Bioware did not have to put the dossiers in at all, but they did , and you begrudge them having a little fun with it and giving their fans a bit of a thrill?

The dossiers and videos were there to fless out characters and as a reward for completing the DLC, but thats not good enough for you, each dossier must be 'serious business' because 'business is serious". People are more than just a collection of pertenent facts and data, and sometimes you learn more about a person through what they find is funny or what there interest are, or what they purchase.
But you want everyone to read Tsun Zu's Art ot War, and purchase items that are 'serious' like guns and diaries for talking about how grim life is and how seriously grim being serious is.

While I can appreciate you having a critical eye for the game, at this point your almost becoming a troll, who is trolling everything else anyone finds slightly amusing or interesting.

Like my grandmother use to say:
If your someplace and everybody is smiling and having a good time:D, and you cant understand why, it might be YOU  with the problem, not them.

Bioware did something which a VAST amount of its customers liked, except for you, at this point I dont think the issue is with what bioware did or did not do. I think the issue is your PERCEPTION of what they did or did not do.

Because everyone else at the party is having a great time, while your in the corner wondering why everyone is having fun when OBVIOUSLY the chips are not the  Salt 'n Vinigar Utz that you like, and the punch is red instead of blue.

I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings?  BioWare are far from perfect, and I merely provide hard criticism because I know they can - and want them to - do better.  I paid them money for a product.  This was not a "gift".  It is my ability and resonsibility to inform them where they went wrong.

I found the dossiers entertaining, and no, they didn't have to write them, but if they went to the effort I would have preferred something interesting and plot-relevant rather than a bunch of throwaway gags about sex and bad poetry.  It seems that the Shadow Broker's communications network is actually just the future version of Encyclopaedia Dramatica.

[FishAssassin]

I thought all the dossiers were very well done. I keep seeing ppl on other threads saying they were satirical and/or stereotypical. I thought they were very faithful to the characters and although some passages had a good amount of humor to them there were parts in every single characters that were really personal and realistically wouldn't be things that they would have discussed with shepard. The ones that surprised me most were Miranda's condition, Samara's daughters being alive and the transcript of Jack's mom being told her daughter was dead. I enjoyed every single one though.

Modifié par FishAssassin, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[FishAssassin]

searanox wrote...

Tyfreaky wrote...

searanox wrote...

The ones where BioWare didn't make lame jokes and actually provided significant insight into the story, characters and game universe.

I think there was like, one of those. Out of twenty.

Dude I hate to say it but your a giant buzz kill, Bioware did not have to put the dossiers in at all, but they did , and you begrudge them having a little fun with it and giving their fans a bit of a thrill?

The dossiers and videos were there to fless out characters and as a reward for completing the DLC, but thats not good enough for you, each dossier must be 'serious business' because 'business is serious". People are more than just a collection of pertenent facts and data, and sometimes you learn more about a person through what they find is funny or what there interest are, or what they purchase.
But you want everyone to read Tsun Zu's Art ot War, and purchase items that are 'serious' like guns and diaries for talking about how grim life is and how seriously grim being serious is.

While I can appreciate you having a critical eye for the game, at this point your almost becoming a troll, who is trolling everything else anyone finds slightly amusing or interesting.

Like my grandmother use to say:
If your someplace and everybody is smiling and having a good time:D, and you cant understand why, it might be YOU  with the problem, not them.

Bioware did something which a VAST amount of its customers liked, except for you, at this point I dont think the issue is with what bioware did or did not do. I think the issue is your PERCEPTION of what they did or did not do.

Because everyone else at the party is having a great time, while your in the corner wondering why everyone is having fun when OBVIOUSLY the chips are not the  Salt 'n Vinigar Utz that you like, and the punch is red instead of blue.

I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings?  BioWare are far from perfect, and I merely provide hard criticism because I know they can - and want them to - do better.  I paid them money for a product.  This was not a "gift".  It is my ability and resonsibility to inform them where they went wrong.

I found the dossiers entertaining, and no, they didn't have to write them, but if they went to the effort I would have preferred something interesting and plot-relevant rather than a bunch of throwaway gags about sex and bad poetry.  It seems that the Shadow Broker's communications network is actually just the future version of Encyclopaedia Dramatica.

I disagree. I thought every single character had at least one message that fleshed out their personalities and presented something that they wouldn't have discussed with Shepard otherwise.

[Tyfreaky]

FishAssassin wrote...

I disagree. I thought every single character had at least one message that fleshed out their personalities and presented something that they wouldn't have discussed with Shepard otherwise.

I concur, completely with you, almost every character had at least ONE entry that was deadly serious, in some cases literally, and something amusing that they would never share with anyone including Kelly or Shepard.



And Sear, no you did not hurt my feelings, I am just tired of what appears to be trolling, because every single comment from you is hyper critical.
Instead of just making a comment on your favorite, which is what this thread is about you commented on how much you disliked all the dossiers and how Bioware disappointed you. To use the reference again: You were invited to a party but instead of being happy about it you came to poop all over it.

This is the "WHICH IS YOUR FAVORITE" thread, coming here to complain is just trolling at this point if you dont have a favorite why comment in the first place? Why not make a thread specifically about how much they suck or how disappointing they are.
Not only to you is the glass half empty, it also must be full of poisan since its not the way you want it.

What your doing is trolling, if you have a problem with something thats fine, but is coming into a thread about expressing your positive feelings on something and then being negative about it anything but trollish?

If you have a problem fine but don't rain on our parade, you can make your own thread on that. Even you have to admit its bad form to go to a circus and then complain about how much you hate clowns. Why the hell did you go in the first place then?

[bottledwater]

Sledge454 wrote...

Miranda's hookup chats were good, but the best laugh came from Legion's MMORPG account data.

Also, see Thane's primary and alternate methods for killing a krogan.

this. also the fact that miranda cant have babies kinda sucks for her. mordin's was funny too, cloacal obstruction is his cranium. heh.

[Rieverre]

Thane's insanely elaborate twisting spinning leaping neck-snap ... that was just hilarious.



Tali's keystroke log, where she's trying to compose letters to the families of the Quarians who died under her command.



Garrus' exchange with his sister and Samara's old call to her daughters.

[ElectricZ]

BDelacroix wrote...

I have a question. If you are living the life of a space pirate (albiet on the side of good rather than just pillaging) why do you need to escape in video games and MMOs?

I think for Legion, having constant contact with hundreds of thousands of organics would serve several purposes:

1. He's used to being part of a collective, constantly in instant contact with millions of sentient beings. EDI is the closest thing he's got to a kindred spirit, and she's just "one voice" who has been shackled by the organics. Having an whole universe of voices to interact with might make him more comfortable. Plus, with no official duties on the ship, he's got to have SOME way of killing time between missions...

2. It's another way to learn social skills and learn about all the different species in Council space, from serious gamers to people having fun to hardcore gamer geeks pwning n00bz.

3. In Cyberspace, he's not a hated enemy to be destroyed on sight. He's a killer e-1337 at the top of the leaderboards earning respect and admiration from a bunch of geeks holding him in awe. Whether or not he has an ego that needs to be stroked may not be as important as just finding a place where he fits in and no one is concerned about what he is... though the fact that he nearly got whacked with a banhammer for taunting other players shows our favorite mobile platform might be learning about organics from all the wrong people...

Modifié par ElectricZ, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[R-F]

I really liked Thane's preferred killing methods...all neck snaps save for the bomb at the end.

[Tispower]

FishAssassin wrote...

I thought all the dossiers were very well done. I keep seeing ppl on other threads saying they were satirical and/or stereotypical. I thought they were very faithful to the characters and although some passages had a good amount of humor to them there were parts in every single characters that were really personal and realistically wouldn't be things that they would have discussed with shepard. The ones that surprised me most were Miranda's condition, Samara's daughters being alive and the transcript of Jack's mom being told her daughter was dead. I enjoyed every single one though.

Agree with everything you've said.

[OBakaSama]

Tough one. Thane's alternative method of killing a Krogan, or the revelation that Legion plays games....

[ValerioN7]

ElectricZ wrote...

Loved all the files. Damn if I didn't fix myself a bourbon on the rocks and sit in a chair in front of the big screen pouring over every one like I was Timmy himself. Almost made me wish I smoked and had glow in the dark eyes.

I'm recruiting Legion ASAP for my Left 4 Dead team.

Grunt is going to get busted on the next shuttle ride playing Sharks vs Dinosaurs. And he's discovering girls. Heaven help us.

Mordin definitely knows when someone's got their head up their cloaca.

Thane is one practical ninja. Some necks can't be snapped. They have to be detonated.

Jacob: I for one liked having one stable, normal guy on the ship. You know when the time comes for Shepard and Cerberus to part ways, Jacob's gun is going to be pointed in the right direction.

Kasumi seems to gotten over Kenji pretty quick. But will she be able to steal Jacob's heart? (har har)

Miranda... one cold hard ****, elitist, man eating -- oh... damn. Daaaaaamn.

Forget Tali's nerve stim mods. Her attempt to write a letter to the family of one of her own KIA was very touching.

Zaeed's retirement plan was hilarious and horrifying. And methinks that Kelly isn't as afraid of him as she claimed to be to Shepard. She does dig the bad boys...

Jack's poetry nonwithstanding, she's a lot smarter and more of a planner than anybody gives her credit for.

Garrus would rush repeatedly in to save orphans from a burning building, then disappear into the crowd when the reporters showed up to interview the hero.

I think I'd help Anderson with his drinking problem any day of the week. I just need to know what bottle to bring.

Admiral "Request Denied" Hackett has my vote for emperor of the universe.

And Timmy... Maybe it's a guy thing but even though he's the leader of a renegade terrorist organization all I could do was nod and say "Niiiiice."

Here's hoping that the dossiers get updated like the Cerberus Daily News...

Legion: I have to read better:D

Grunt: Nice.

Thane: I don't like him.

Garrus: The sister's chat was so great and sad.

Kasumi: Nice.

Tali: Every Quarian adult uses nerve stimulators, as the Illium's bar Quarian said. But the Quarians can download suite-software from Extranet? Isn't dangerous?

Jacob: Jacob exists?

Miranda: So so sad that she can't have childrens:unsure:.

Samara: 3 Ardat-Yakshi? Maybe she is planning to kill ALL her daughters?

TIM: Wow, he's not almighty:D

Jack: So, so sad:crying:.

Anderson: Nice.

Hackett: Nice, but i'm faithful to the Council, not to the Alliance:P

I wasn't able to read Zaeed's dossier, cause i don't want to recruit him:D

A Dossiers update? Now, that would be NICE, and would also make more sense. Also one update every 15 days will be enough.

Modifié par ValerioN7, 11 septembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Cypher0020]

I liked Grunt's, Jack's, Tali's so far.. haven't looked at the others... Anderson's was pretty good...



Hacket's....uhhh...the Alliance wanted to arrest Shepard??!

[Isaantia]

While its hard to pick a favorite, one of the ones that had me really laughing was the log of Zaeed telling Kelly his war story.  

magpie wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...

Oh and the 'Info Drone' IS the real Shadow Broker. Acting by proxy. Able to maintain a degree of control without any risk as the 'puppet' leader changes hands.

Conspiracy theory? Perhaps.

I thought that the Shadow Broker's V.I. looks an awful lot like an undamaged version of Vigil. Perhaps the whole Shadow Broker set-up us much much older than it appears, and is also part of the Protheans anti-Reaper planning.

I was wondering that as well. It crossed my mind, since the SB already knew so much about the Protheans and the Reapers already -- well at least Liara implies that there is more data there. 

It is also nice to have another place to hang out an not be in a hardsuit. Very nice touch. 

[J.G]

is their a video that shows all of them? If so link please.

[thetruefreemo]

Grunt's was so hillarious. Searches:... Great Human Battles, Urdnot Wrex, Sharks, Dinnosaurs.



Then I find out that he downloaded Formax: Krogan edition.

[Eumerin]

Cypher0020 wrote...
Hacket's....uhhh...the Alliance wanted to arrest Shepard??!

More accurately, the Alliance has questions about what Shepard's been doing for the last couple of years and why he/she just showed up working alongside a terrorist organization.  The Alliance is probably concerned that Shepard may have leaked military secrets or been aiding in terrorist activities.  A lower-level officer (probably in the Intelligence division) wanted to pull Shepard out of the field and question him/her until the Alliance could be satisfied that he/she wasn't a security risk (which might take a while...).

[Terraneaux]

Morinth doesn't have one...

[PeteRockD]

My favorite was probably Legion's dossier. I found it quite interesting that Legion appears to actually be trying to act as an individual, not necessarily "human" but as an individual. Though he does show some "humanity" that he purchased the "Ultra Platinum" donation for the Eden Prime fundraiser. Though it was rather funny to see that hes a computer playing video games, and probably that one guy who seems unstoppable in online multiplayer "Medal of Duty" and goes around methodically killing each player repeatedly until he has a bunch of 12 year olds swearing at him and telling him what they did with his "mother" the night before. It would have been great if they threw in his headset communication just to see if he trash-talked.



But overall I thought they were all good. Each dossier had just the right amount of information to make all of the characters relate-able and "real." I dont know why anyone would have any complaints that BioWare copped out on these. What did some people want exactly? Are they shocked to realize that in the Mass Effect Universe that all of the major species/characters are going to have similar traits, desires, psychologies, and comprehensions of their reality?



As the Mass Effect story has suggested numerous times, all of the Citadel species share similar physical characteristics (with exception of the Hanar on all of the following counts): all are bipedal, all have the predator eyes (though with some variation obviously on each species' field of vision though all are forward-facing, and its stated that the krogan have typical "prey" eyes), we can assume that all of them are warm-blooded since the krogan do not lay in warm places all day long and are noted for being extremely agile and quick despite their large size, and other similarities that point to (along with the evidence of Shepard's vision from the relics given to him by the Consort) the majority of Council species being designed by the Protheans or Reapers. If all of these species evolved or were shaped along similar physical lines, why cant they possibly share similar mentalities, emotions, and life experiences? I think the dossiers are meant to build onto various story and plot lines and people like searanox just missed the point. Yeah it was nice to have a laugh now and then but the dossiers were there to reveal that every character is really just a shell (just like the Shadow Broker, the Illusive Man, etc etc) of the real person who has their own private vices, secrets, and motives - just like in real life.



Garrus is not just a hardass anymore - he has a sick mother he is trying to care for and is willing to go behind Shepard's back to help her.



Miranda is supposed to be the "perfect" human specimen and it turns out that she is anything but perfect because of her apparent infertility - whether it was caused by her genetic tampering, or a "failsafe" designed by her father to keep his dynasty "pure" (which I hope we find out). The dating site chats were anything but a "gag" - she was looking for the "perfect man" to recreate the "perfect child" - all occurring during a period when she openly admits she thought male Shepard (havent played my femShepard yet to this point) was flawed.



Anderson has a drinking problem and from some of his video downloads may actually either be trying to drink himself into a stupor because he fully believes the Reapers are coming, or trying to convince himself that Shepard has had the wool pulled over his eyes and trying to convince himself that Shepard is lying.



Tali is in her early 20s and Grunt (as Mordin points out) is going through puberty - is it really a surprise that they experiment with their private sexual life or fantasies?



Yeah with some of the sexual references, poetry, etc it was a chuckle and didnt seem serious, but it gives all of the characters more depth and I think plays more into the plot that all of these species are more similar than different. Again, does this play into an "Intelligent Design" origin of each species and suggests that even though all of these species look different, deep down they share common traits and mentalities? Probably - in my opinion. Or is this just more a BioWare PSA of "dont judge a book by its cover," "its what is inside a person, not what they look like on the outside" kind of "lesson." Maybe a little of that too. But I for one found that the dossiers "fleshed out" the various characters very well and gave us all a look at some very interesting plot devices that hopefully appear in ME3. As Anton Chekhov once stated - if there is a gun over the mantle in Act 1, the gun better be used to shoot someone by Act 3. So I hope that these plot lines are developed further either through new dossier entries or in ME3.

[Raokin]

If you romanced Thane, you get an incredibly sweet and sad love letter. That was, by far, my favorite one.