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[Jagri]

Having used stasis on a certain vanguard spectre sent me into string of evil laughter. I believe I entered a boxing game when all I did was hit her with stasis once and began to punch her across the map not letting her get a chance to stand up before she retreated. Like playing a game of Punch Out!

[tonnactus]

Jagri wrote...

Having used stasis on a certain vanguard spectre sent me into string of evil laughter. I believe I entered a boxing game when all I did was hit her with stasis once and began to punch her across the map not letting her get a chance to stand up before she retreated. Like playing a game of Punch Out!

Punching ladies is wrong!

[dreman9999]

tonnactus wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Having used stasis on a certain vanguard spectre sent me into string of evil laughter. I believe I entered a boxing game when all I did was hit her with stasis once and began to punch her across the map not letting her get a chance to stand up before she retreated. Like playing a game of Punch Out!

Punching ladies is wrong!

Good thing that he was punching an Asari then.

[Valentyna]

Having tried it, it seems damn good so far. I would definately take it on any future sentinel build. I can imagine it useful on a Vanguard as well, for those times when you want to charge one guy without getting shot in the back by the other mob next to him.

EDIT: I play insanity only.  On lower difficulties where not everone has shields to ame them immune to your blue glowy-ness, its would be a lot more situational.

Modifié par Valentyna, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[jwalker]

I don't know if someone already brought it up ( I only read the first page ) but Stasis also revives your dead squadmates when cast on the last enemy.

Last night I was playing Garrus' loyalty mission, fighting those 2 YMIR mechs. Garrus and Zaeed  were wiped out in seconds. I killed the first 1 mech and then throw stasis on the second one. Both my squaddies revived instantly.

[Mark B]

jwalker wrote...

I don't know if someone already brought it up ( I only read the first page ) but Stasis also revives your dead squadmates when cast on the last enemy.

Last night I was playing Garrus' loyalty mission, fighting those 2 YMIR mechs. Garrus and Zaeed  were wiped out in seconds. I killed the first 1 mech and then throw stasis on the second one. Both my squaddies revived instantly.

It has been mentioned as one of the benefits, but a good catch anyways.

What did you think of it as a whole?

Edit: Just as a recap of the power, the known benefits are;
If used on a someone/thing on a moving collector platform they will stay where they are as the platform moves away from them and fall to their deaths - someone, sorry can't remeber who, made a v funny video of a scion doing this.
When stasis ends the target will fall to the ground.  ON THE WAY DOWN they are subject to what appears to be a huge damage bonus and while on the ground the usual 100% bonus damage applies.  Again another video exists, I think Kronner made it, showing a claymore at point blank range on a ymir mech with full shields wiping out the shields, armour and most if not all of the health in a single shot.  This has been referred to on this board as the fall of death.  Christina Norman has said this was intentional and will not be patched, if you think it's "cheating", don't use it.
In order to end a stasis early, say you've put one scion in stasis and the platform has moved out from under them, use it again and your original stasis is cancelled.
Apparantly you can melee people in stasis, but I haven't tried this yet.
I think that covers most of the points, but if I've missed anything, I'm sure somebody will fill in the gaps.

Modifié par Mark B, 14 septembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[Kronner]

Stasis also tends to "confuse" enemies (once they get up, they sometimes just stand still and do not do anything).

[tonnactus]

I just want to ask if some of the xbox players ever see the fall of death.The damage is improved,but i am far away from oneshotting ymirs.(its a good thing)

Still takes some time and big enemies get immun to it pretty fast,even with enhanced stasis.

[jwalker]

yorkj86 wrote...

jwalker wrote...

I don't know if someone already brought it up ( I only read the first page ) but Stasis also revives your dead squadmates when cast on the last enemy.

Last night I was playing Garrus' loyalty mission, fighting those 2 YMIR mechs. Garrus and Zaeed  were wiped out in seconds. I killed the first 1 mech and then throw stasis on the second one. Both my squaddies revived instantly.

That's weird.  It must count you as out-of-combat, if Stasis is used on the last remaining enemy in a combat situation with multiple enemies.  Teammates are revived automatically when combat ends.

Yeah, that's my guess too.
IMO, this is a bug. I doubt BW intended this behavior. It doesn't make much sense.
This is DLC and it's not game breaking, unlikely they'll ever fix it.

[Christina Norman]

Hey I have an update on stasis and the extra damage.



As everyone knows, when an enemy is affected by stasis, they are immune to all player abilities and can't take damage.



When stasis wears off, there is a brief window during which the enemy is considered non-hostile. If the player damages the enemy during this time, damage will not be correctly scaled for difficulty or other factors.



While not 100% accurate, a good way of describing it is the enemy takes damage as if it was a "casual difficulty" enemy.



In addition in most cases when players demonstate this behavior they are dealing point blank damage to a ragdolled creature. As has been discussed, this in itself is enough to cause x3-x4 damage to the enemy. Multiplied with the fact that difficulty scaling code is not applied, you end up with effectively a tremendous damage multiplier, particularly if you are playing on a harder difficulty like insanity.



So in summary:

- It is intended if you shoot a ragdolled enemy at point blank you get a tremendous damage bonus (x3-x4)

- But there is a bug that further increases your effective damage, particularly on higher difficulty levels where enemies are usually very tough



We'll leave it up to individual players to decide if they want to make use of this bug/exploit. It's a single player game, we're not going to prioritize patching an issue that benefits the player that will generally only affect those attempting to engage the bug/exploit.



For many enemies the net effect is the same anyway, it's only in extreme cases like taking down heavy mechs and scions at full health that the bug has a huge effect. Many enemies can be legitimately one shot in this situation without taking the bug into account.

[Omicrone]

Thanks for the answer, Christina. I wonder how Stasis can circumvent difficulty multipliers. Maybe it's because of the duration reductions that are applied to all skills on Hardcore/Insanity? Anyhow, that's usefull info right there.

[swn32]

Thanks for clearing that up, Christina. Even though its a bug, its a brilliant one. Using this i was finally able to clear eclipse smuggling depot without having a single crate destroyed on insanity. 

Eclipse smuggling depot on Insanity

This makes stasis the most imba power on Insanity 

tonnactus wrote...

I just want to ask if some of the xbox players ever see the fall of death.The damage is improved,but i am far away from oneshotting ymirs.(its a good thing)
Still takes some time and big enemies get immun to it pretty fast,even with enhanced stasis.

It is possible to one shot Heavy mechs with a fully charged Geth Plasma Shotgun using this exploit.

Modifié par swn32, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[jwalker]

swn32 wrote...

Thanks for clearing that up, Christina. Even though its a bug, its a brilliant one. Using this i was finally able to clear eclipse smuggling depot without having a single crate destroyed on insanity. 

Eclipse smuggling depot on Insanity

This makes stasis the most imba power on Insanity 

Very nice !!

[fegede]

I ran trough reaper IFF with my engineer with stasis GPS and cain. I could totally ignore the husk and one shot every scion in the way before nuking the reaper core haha. And I remember I used to have trouble in this level during my first playthroughs... Sweet vengeance against those damn scions

[OniGanon]

So... a Claymore kills a YMIR on Casual with two shots?

Modifié par OniGanon, 15 septembre 2010 - 05:13 .

[jwalker]

No, it almost oneshots a fully shielded armored YMIR mech on insanity (only a little red bar left)
Kronner made this vid.

[Maestro Vivaldi]

It seems that an enemy is not immune against melee attacks during stasis. They fall dead after stasis if they receive a lot of melee attacks.

[Bozorgmehr]

Maestro Vivaldi wrote...

It seems that an enemy is not immune against melee attacks during stasis. They fall dead after stasis if they receive a lot of melee attacks.

Enemies are immune to all damage - melee does nothing while in Stasis. The moment Stasis wears off one melee attack will instakill normal/elite enemies easily though.

[numotsbane]

I had Garrus' concussive one-shot a Vanguards Barrier on insanity, perfect timing. must admit the benefit is much easier to get for the up-close-and-personal classes, timing the shot with a sniper can be a tad tricky.

[Maestro Vivaldi]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Maestro Vivaldi wrote...

It seems that an enemy is not immune against melee attacks during stasis. They fall dead after stasis if they receive a lot of melee attacks.

Enemies are immune to all damage - melee does nothing while in Stasis. The moment Stasis wears off one melee attack will instakill normal/elite enemies easily though.

Yes. One melee attack is enough to kill them if they are hurt during the fall down bug. You're right.

[PrinceLionheart]

Christina Norman wrote...

We'll leave it up to individual players to decide if they want to make use of this bug/exploit. It's a single player game, we're not going to prioritize patching an issue that benefits the player that will generally only affect those attempting to engage the bug/exploit.

I can't help but think of the skill point glitch. 

J/K, but yeah, stasis seems perfect for any CQ class.

[swn32]

Its perfect even for widow snipers too, you can one shot scions and minibosses from a safe range, and it does tremendous damage to YMIR mechs too making them an easy target for ur squadmates to finish off.

[Shirosaki17]

Has anyone tried firing at an enemy in Stasis? I just started a new Adept. I only have one point in Stasis. I was testing it out recently and it seems most of the time when you fire at an enemy in Stasis when they drop out of stasis the bullets can hit the enemy as they go down. I tried this about 8-10 times on Horizon against Collectors with the Shuriken. A couple times in didn't work but the other times you saw the a Collector go from half to full barrier down to a sliver of health left. This was on Insanity, and I would usually be behind cover when the Stasis dropped so I wasn't firing while it went off.



I'm just wondering if anyone has noticed this or if Stasis stops bullets on the outside of the bubble and then they continue their trajectory when the Stasis bubble drops. Just read about the damage modifier so I'm guessing it's not intended for gameplay because of how much damage you do and how easy it makes it.



Is the ability suppose to work on Scions and Heavy Mechs? I've tried it on Scions they just fall every time I cast it, but after I casted it 4 or 5 times it wouldn't work. The red outline that shows an ability won't work would also come up on the cast bar when targeting it. After I waited 10 to 20 extra seconds it went back to normal and worked fine again. Seems to make Insanity easy mode. I'd rather use it how it's intended to be used though.



Too bad about the damage modifier though. Shooting the enemy in stasis and having the bullets hit it after it wears off but also does normal damage sounds cool though.

[ryoldschool]

Don't know if the bullets hit after statis wears off or not - I don't think so cause to do damage I always wait til it wears off. One good use of this was on Garrus loyality mission - Just before you get to the two Ymir mechs - the three mercs on top of the boxes - the one in the middle has shields and armor and is a pain to get rid of. I did a statis on him and he fell to the floor and went down to health without me shooting him ( insanity ) -- pretty cool.