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[DeckardWasAReplicant]

So my take is Miranda uses eharmony like service to try and get pregnant. Is that what it is implying? How many men did she have unprotected sex with until she realised she couldnt have a baby? If so that changes how i view her. Or maybe my head is in the gutter. i dont know. Or maybe it was part of a Cerberus project.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Broker_Dossiers/Miranda_Lawson

Modifié par DeckardWasAReplicant, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[GodWood]

I don't think the dating section had anything to do with the pregancy thing.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

GodWood wrote...

I don't think the dating section had anything to do with the pregancy thing.

i think it did because she tells one of the guys who has perfect health to go to an apartment. but again thats my take

[GodWood]

What I got from it was she just wanted sex and she had high standards.
And the pregnancy thing was a seperate matter altogether.
(EDIT: Although I'm not entirely sure if thats the case)

Modifié par GodWood, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Caihn]

I also think she tried to get pregnant.
That would explain, why she is so selective about the health of her partner, and why she went to a prenatal department to find out what's wrong with her.

Modifié par Yannkee, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

Yannkee wrote...

I also think she tried to get pregnant.
That would explain, why she is so selective about the health of her partner, and why she went to a prenatal department to find out what's wrong with her.

yeah thats my take on it. But how many guys you think it took before she figured it out? Because it couldnt be the same guy over and over because he would want to know more about her and get in a relationship ect. and she wouldnt want that. because why would she give him no more information about the whole thing, she just says meet me here and hangs up on him. she even says to one of the guys that she doesnt care about getting to know him. but thats why i think it might be a Cerberus project.

Modifié par DeckardWasAReplicant, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Caihn]

I don't know. After some attempts, she certainly understood that something was wrong.



I think she wanted to raise her child alone, so no emotional attachment with her partner is a good decision.

[t3HPrO]

I just wanna kill the SOB over at Bioware who cooked up this BS. But I have a ray of hope though. She might ask Mordin to do fertility experiment on her if she's Shepard's LI, and it works, and boom! She's carrying Shep's kids. Hopefully.

[Tonks32]

I just liked the fact that we got to see a little interaction with her sister. But this also makes me feel a little bad for Miranda. Once again because of her father she's unable to conceive children and for a woman hearing that is well like being hit by a hoover car a few times. Wonder how this is all going to tie in in ME3

[Neria Rose]

t3HPrO wrote...

I just wanna kill the SOB over at Bioware who cooked up this BS. But I have a ray of hope though. She might ask Mordin to do fertility experiment on her if she's Shepard's LI, and it works, and boom! She's carrying Shep's kids. Hopefully.

I don't understand the huge fuss. I'm not a Miranda fan on the best of days, but I liked the extra bit of information on her. Made her seem like a more realistic character.

There are plenty of women in real life who can't reproduce. To my knowledge, I'm not one of them, but neither I nor most people know until they've tried. Are you so certain you're not sterile? Would you like it if someone who supposedly loved you turned their back on you simply because you couldn't reproduce? Especially when there's NO lack of humans and there are plenty of human (or otherwise) children needing homes?

If it's that important to you, it's something you need to get straight at the very beginning of the relationship. Like "I'm sorry, but if you can't have kids, you're just not worth the effort."

I, for one, decided ages ago that if I can't have kids, then I'm simply not meant to have kids and I'll adopt. Screw the therapy and procedures. It's no biggie. World's overpopulated as it is.

Grow up. People out there are infertile and there are going to be conditions that are incurable, even in the future. What do you expect when someone is engineered? Either love her for what she is and adopt or take your shallow ass home.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 08 septembre 2010 - 12:28 .

[Linblum]

I thought those clothes she wore was a give away that she was a ****.

[t3HPrO]

Neria Rose wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

I just wanna kill the SOB over at Bioware who cooked up this BS. But I have a ray of hope though. She might ask Mordin to do fertility experiment on her if she's Shepard's LI, and it works, and boom! She's carrying Shep's kids. Hopefully.

I don't understand the huge fuss. I'm not a Miranda fan on the best of days, but I liked the extra bit of information on her. Made her seem like a more realistic character.

There are plenty of women in real life who can't reproduce. To my knowledge, I'm not one of them, but neither I nor most people know until they've tried. Are you so certain you're not sterile? Would you like it if someone who supposedly loved you turned their back on you simply because you couldn't reproduce? Especially when there's NO lack of humans and there are plenty of human (or otherwise) children needing homes?

If it's that important to you, it's something you need to get straight at the very beginning of the relationship. Like "I'm sorry, but if you can't have kids, you're just not worth the effort."

I, for one, decided ages ago that if I can't have kids, then I'm simply not meant to have kids and I'll adopt. Screw the therapy and procedures. It's no biggie. World's overpopulated as it is.

Grow up. People out there are infertile and there are going to be conditions that are incurable, even in the future. What do you expect when someone is engineered? Either love her for what she is and adopt or take your shallow ass home.

Looks like you've got me wrong. I'm not gonna dump her, HELL NO, but it's still a cheapshot from the bioware guys. Come on, the girl's had a hard life and now you throw it in that she can't conceive? Seriously, *THANKS*. Anyways, I don't mind if a girl can't have babies. It's fine. I mean, life gave you a hard one, not your fault, you're still attractive. And in the wiki page, she seems to be trying her hardest to have a baby, but nothing's happening. Makes me kinda sad for her.

[t3HPrO]

Linblum wrote...

I thought those clothes she wore was a give away that she was a ****.

She's not a s!ut...Jesus. How many friggin' times have we been over this?

[Neria Rose]

t3HPrO wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

I just wanna kill the SOB over at Bioware who cooked up this BS. But I have a ray of hope though. She might ask Mordin to do fertility experiment on her if she's Shepard's LI, and it works, and boom! She's carrying Shep's kids. Hopefully.

I don't understand the huge fuss. I'm not a Miranda fan on the best of days, but I liked the extra bit of information on her. Made her seem like a more realistic character.

There are plenty of women in real life who can't reproduce. To my knowledge, I'm not one of them, but neither I nor most people know until they've tried. Are you so certain you're not sterile? Would you like it if someone who supposedly loved you turned their back on you simply because you couldn't reproduce? Especially when there's NO lack of humans and there are plenty of human (or otherwise) children needing homes?

If it's that important to you, it's something you need to get straight at the very beginning of the relationship. Like "I'm sorry, but if you can't have kids, you're just not worth the effort."

I, for one, decided ages ago that if I can't have kids, then I'm simply not meant to have kids and I'll adopt. Screw the therapy and procedures. It's no biggie. World's overpopulated as it is.

Grow up. People out there are infertile and there are going to be conditions that are incurable, even in the future. What do you expect when someone is engineered? Either love her for what she is and adopt or take your shallow ass home.

Looks like you've got me wrong. I'm not gonna dump her, HELL NO, but it's still a cheapshot from the bioware guys. Come on, the girl's had a hard life and now you throw it in that she can't conceive? Seriously, *THANKS*. Anyways, I don't mind if a girl can't have babies. It's fine. I mean, life gave you a hard one, not your fault, you're still attractive. And in the wiki page, she seems to be trying her hardest to have a baby, but nothing's happening. Makes me kinda sad for her.

The point is, a woman's worth shouldn't be based on whether or not she can have kids. For all you or anyone else knows, she may have come to terms with it and no longer wishes to produce a child of her own body. Unless she says otherwise, it's not a 'problem that needs to be fixed'. It's simply the way she is.

Quite frankly, after all Shep's body has been through, I still maintain that he/she is very sterile. If that turns out to be non-'canon', then I will just continue to believe my own Sheps can't have kids.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 08 septembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Caihn]

Tonks32 wrote...

I just liked the fact that we got to see a little interaction with her sister. But this also makes me feel a little bad for Miranda. Once again because of her father she's unable to conceive children and for a woman hearing that is well like being hit by a hoover car a few times. Wonder how this is all going to tie in in ME3

I hope they will solve this problem in ME3. Miri doesn't deserve this, but adoption could be also a solution.

[Caihn]

t3HPrO wrote...

Linblum wrote...

I thought those clothes she wore was a give away that she was a ****.

She's not a s!ut...Jesus. How many friggin' times have we been over this?

Don't waste your time. Ignore him.

[Shadow_broker]

To be clear here, She may still be able to have kids. The dossier states the condition can make it harder or impossible, to which extent her condition is we don't know.



P.S. I doubt shepard can have kids after lazarus anyways lol

[jtav]

My big problem is accepting that her infertility is truly insurmountable in a world where someone like her can be created in the first place. Egg donors, an artificial womb, even the technology that created her could all be used as a workaround. Mating with an asari would also produce a child.

[ReiSilver]

I actually thought it was a good edition. Sterility is rarely brought up in video games and ME already had the ball rolling with the genophage, but that's a species wide chemical weapon. This is something much more personal, something that effects people in the real world. Not only does it give you insight into something you may never have found out about Miranda otherwise, but for me personally it reminded me that I was going through very personal files about people my Shepard worked with closely and that maybe Shep shouldn't be reading it.

Yes it's something very sad to heap on a character but Miranda's not the only one who I feel needs a great big hug after reading those files ;_;

[Tokion]

How many men do you think she slept with according to those mails?! She is going to give Shepard herpies, yuck. I think the dossiers changed my views about her character totally.

[Caihn]

Tokion wrote...

How many men do you think she slept with according to those mails?! She is going to give Shepard herpies, yuck. I think the dossiers changed my views about her character totally.

Stop saying bull****s. Read the files again, you will see she accepted to date only one guy. And she doesn't accept unhealthy people.

[Shadow_broker]

Tokion wrote...

How many men do you think she slept with according to those mails?! She is going to give Shepard herpies, yuck. I think the dossiers changed my views about her character totally.

[Ieldra]

^This.



Anyway, I'm getting the impression these dossiers aren't meant to be taken completely seriously. Everything's too cliché-ridden.

[Tokion]

Yannkee wrote...

Tokion wrote...

How many men do you think she slept with according to those mails?! She is going to give Shepard herpies, yuck. I think the dossiers changed my views about her character totally.

Stop saying bull****s. Read the files again, you will see she accepted to date only one guy. And she doesn't accept unhealthy people.

I also find it funny how she is willing to accept someone's medical record so easily, as they can easily be forged. An intelligent and resourceful woman like herself would have took the precaution and should be able to dig through any person's files without having to *ask* them.

Also we got to ask WHY she was the one with the most intercepted messages. She was trained to be a Cerberus operative(who should be a ghost). These emails may not be real at all.

I think the Miranda writers did a great job at *fishing* for response on this one, it is a spark that can produce hundreds of theories and ignite outrage from the Miranda fans.

[Neria Rose]

jtav wrote...

My big problem is accepting that her infertility is truly insurmountable in a world where someone like her can be created in the first place. Egg donors, an artificial womb, even the technology that created her could all be used as a workaround. Mating with an asari would also produce a child.

There will always be something that we are unable to cure or 'fix' regardless of the advancements in technology. If she wants a child of her own, an egg donor won't work, it has the DNA of the woman who grew the egg. You could remove the nucleus and replace it with one of Miranda's (there's no mention of her not having produced eggs), but for all we know, the way she was engineered just doesn't lend itself to being able to grow in a natural or semi-natural way (normal womb).

Could be a combination of things. The neoplasm irreversibly damaged or warped something. Triggered (over)production of some kind of hormone for which there is (at the time) no suppressant or maybe a metabolite that is entirely destructive of what would be the fetus' environment. Could be the neoplasm was the first thing the doctors came across and came to the conclusion that it is what is causing her trouble and didn't bother to look further. But it may also be genetic (which I would greatly prefer) and she just doesn't know it yet.

Point is, there will always be a 'why?' in science that doesn't have an answer. For example, part of my job is to do receptor autoradiography with rat and mouse brains. The process works great with most other tissues, but not with the liver. And the 'why?' regarding that hasn't been answered yet in over 20 years of research. 'Why?' doesn't always need an answer. She can't have them. Shep will either deal or he won't.