I can't help but feel a little sorry for her, but I'd never say that too her because she wouldn't accept pitty at all, especially from Shephard.
But even if she is infertile, I think if anyone could change that it would be Miranda herself and her impressive intellect... I mean, she resurrected someone from the grave for christ's sake... getting rid of the neoplasm seems like it'd be child's play in comparison.
Anyway, choosing to throw away a relationship with her because you've known she's had sex with other guys before is shallow, unless you're actually a person who has only ever slept with virgins your entire life (and would you notice?)
Miranda Dossier post Shadow Broker. spoiler
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#27
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:03
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Yannkee wrote...
I hope they will solve this problem in ME3. Miri doesn't deserve this, but adoption could be also a solution.
Does any woman (or man) deserve sterility? Isn't that partially the point for this revelation that bad things can happen to good people?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:04
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I think this is pretty minor thing. If medicine in ME universe can rebuilt a human from bones and tubes, it certainly won't be a problem to cure Miranda.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:06
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Personally it changed absolutely nothing. Miranda remain my favorite character and my favorite love interest.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:08
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Yannkee wrote...
Personally it changed absolutely nothing. Miranda remain my favorite character and my favorite love interest.
Same here
I like that she is not whining about her personal problems.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:10
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True. Miri for me, forever. Let's hope it's a grave misdiagnosis, or that Shepard is EXTREMELY virile, or Mordin cooks something to help Miranda get pregnant. Besides, that man managed to sterilize an ENTIRE race! Who's to say he can't RE-fertilize ONE perfect woman?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:27
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t3HPrO wrote...
True. Miri for me, forever. Let's hope it's a grave misdiagnosis, or that Shepard is EXTREMELY virile, or Mordin cooks something to help Miranda get pregnant. Besides, that man managed to sterilize an ENTIRE race! Who's to say he can't RE-fertilize ONE perfect woman?
I don't think Shepard can Ejaculate Post lazarus, I don;;t understand biology all that well but recreating someones sperm can't be easy or critical to the mssion
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:34
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Shadow_broker wrote...
t3HPrO wrote...
True. Miri for me, forever. Let's hope it's a grave misdiagnosis, or that Shepard is EXTREMELY virile, or Mordin cooks something to help Miranda get pregnant. Besides, that man managed to sterilize an ENTIRE race! Who's to say he can't RE-fertilize ONE perfect woman?
I don't think Shepard can Ejaculate Post lazarus, I don;;t understand biology all that well but recreating someones sperm can't be easy or critical to the mssion
A lot of people don't seem to realize how amazing and complicated the creation and maintenance of life is, science fiction or not. One minor thing and it could all go to waste.
I don't play male Sheps, so I can't speak too much for that. Sperm are constantly produced by males. It's feasible that gamete generation resumed in male Shep after he was brought back, though I'd doubt it. And definitely not quite so believable with FemShep with all of her eggs presumably having died with her.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 01:58
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I'm really surprised about how people are reacting to this.
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I mean, Miranda was not born, she was made. Her DNA is as perfect as it can be, but artificial. Doesn't anybody ever wondered that she might not have childres? I mean, it can't be that surprising.
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Because of that, I have another take on the dossier, one that pretty much match what I expected. First, she is not very smart, she's a genius, so I think she considered the posibility of not being able to have childrens much before she went messing around. Second, she is extreme rational, she trys to take away emotions from the equation. What happens when the subject is sex? It becomes pure fun. Third, she is superior in everyway to everyone but a few people, and she knows it.
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Add all and you have Miranda seeing sex just as a distraction, doing it for the pleasure alone. Choosing her mates with pure rational reaons, like health. Some people may think it's wrong, but there is a perfect racionalization behind it.
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I think it's match perfect Miranda. I mean, she is everything but a saint. She much more like an anti-hero.
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I mean, Miranda was not born, she was made. Her DNA is as perfect as it can be, but artificial. Doesn't anybody ever wondered that she might not have childres? I mean, it can't be that surprising.
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Because of that, I have another take on the dossier, one that pretty much match what I expected. First, she is not very smart, she's a genius, so I think she considered the posibility of not being able to have childrens much before she went messing around. Second, she is extreme rational, she trys to take away emotions from the equation. What happens when the subject is sex? It becomes pure fun. Third, she is superior in everyway to everyone but a few people, and she knows it.
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Add all and you have Miranda seeing sex just as a distraction, doing it for the pleasure alone. Choosing her mates with pure rational reaons, like health. Some people may think it's wrong, but there is a perfect racionalization behind it.
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I think it's match perfect Miranda. I mean, she is everything but a saint. She much more like an anti-hero.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:15
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Miranda is hardly my favorite character, but I sympathize with her more after finding out about this. Not something I'd wish on anyone.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:21
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i love Miranda, dont get me wrong, i have her as my background on my iphone, its just when i read this it made me say "damn how many before shep came along" im not calling her a ****, but it kinda did make me think about a relationship. try thinking about it in real life. youre dating someone and you find out that they have been banging random people off the internet just for sex. how would that make you feel, but dont get me wrong, i love miranda
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:23
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I really don't think Miranda would attempt to have a child through random hookups, even with medical reports. She is focused on her career, and that would be an unnecessary complication. I think she just wanted random, anonymous hookups, but even in that way she is very discerning and picky. And there is NOTHING wrong with wanting no-strings attached sex occasionally. It doesn't make her "easy" to have an outlet for fulfilling her needs.
As for her diagnosis, I think it may have been a deliberate action by her father to deny her reproductive ability. Being in control of whether she can reproduce sounds like something he might do. I wouldn't worry too much, though, there ought to be plenty of ways for someone to conceive in the future if they choose to.
As for her diagnosis, I think it may have been a deliberate action by her father to deny her reproductive ability. Being in control of whether she can reproduce sounds like something he might do. I wouldn't worry too much, though, there ought to be plenty of ways for someone to conceive in the future if they choose to.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:26
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DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...
i love Miranda, dont get me wrong, i have her as my background on my iphone, its just when i read this it made me say "damn how many before shep came along" im not calling her a ****, but it kinda did make me think about a relationship. try thinking about it in real life. youre dating someone and you find out that they have been banging random people off the internet just for sex. how would that make you feel, but dont get me wrong, i love miranda
My Shepard that has Miranda as LI banged the asari Consort in ME1 so..
Seriously though, who cares, so she had a lot of sex before Shepard came along. Big surprise given her looks.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:30
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so, if mirandas screen name is LawbringerSR2, does that mean shes already on the normandy when trolling the net for strangers to sleep with, while shep is romancing her?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:36
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Good point crumpsucker. But my opionion of doesnt change because she has had sex with other guys before shep. It the total ramdomness of it. Idk maybe its me. But having a relationship with someone and having sex with them is different then just totally random hookups. Like i said in my OP i thnk it might be a cerberus project. To see if geniticly made people can reproduce offspring that are just as good as the parents. Or something
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:40
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crumbsucker wrote...
so, if mirandas screen name is LawbringerSR2, does that mean shes already on the normandy when trolling the net for strangers to sleep with, while shep is romancing her?
The romance doesn't start before her loyalty mission debriefing. She had time for dating people before that (the ME2 story last months). She could also did this before Shepard woke up (The SR2 was already built).
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:46
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A woman with sexual experience. Shocking.
A woman who's infertile likely due to the massive genetic engineering she underwent. Also shocking.
A woman who's infertile likely due to the massive genetic engineering she underwent. Also shocking.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:50
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At age 35, no less.ArcanistLibram wrote...
A woman with sexual experience. Shocking.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 02:59
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ArcanistLibram wrote...
A woman with sexual experience. Shocking.
A woman who's infertile likely due to the massive genetic engineering she underwent. Also shocking.
I like you.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 03:14
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Its not shocking about the sex or not being able to have kids. Its shocking to me how she goes about having sex. Its like if you were in a relationship with someone and you stumble on their adultfriendfinder account on the computer. Even tho the last time they were on that account was months before you met, wouldnt it faze you alittle bit?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 03:23
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Rather than cure her, they could just have you confront her father in ME3 and after violently disposing of him, find he had grown another baby Miranda clone.
Then Miranda can raise the child and tell people she's the mother of herself. And you thought 'I'm My Own Grandpa' was messed up.
Then Miranda can raise the child and tell people she's the mother of herself. And you thought 'I'm My Own Grandpa' was messed up.
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#47
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 03:31
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I thought those clothes she wore was a give away that she was a ****.
And the poasts you make are a give away that you are a terrible poster.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 05:40
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Please, she's 35, it's absolutely unrealistic to expect her not to be sexually experienced. And screening potential casual sexual partners for health problems is entirely within her character. She's extremely rational and keeps her personal and professional life clearly demarcated. I see no problems with her needing some sexual release without the personal baggage that comes from a serious relationship now and then.
The bombshell about her inability to conceive is poorly executed by Bioware. Offhand I can think of three ways to circum-navigate that issue, none of which would require a stretch of the imagnation. One of the options is already avaiable to us, and the other is likely to be possible without our lifetimes.
1. Have Oriana be a egg donor. Both Miri and Oriana's kids would be genetically indistinguishable.
2. Custom-make gametes (ie. the 23 chromosomes required for an ova). It's been proven that Miranda's father has surmounted that problem in his creation of Miranda.
3. She can clone the organ affected by neoplasm. Benign tumours are common amongst women of child-bearing age even in the present day. Just clone the uterus or ovaries and replace them surgically. Problem solved.
What really endears me to Miranda is the entry of her chat with Oriana. What I see is someone who's been psychologically stunted by her father's machinations against her having friends and peers during her childhood but still trying her darnest best to act like a proper older sister. Miranda's developmental years are adversely stunted by her father to the extent that she has problems connecting to people socially, But she works her heart trying to be a source of wisdom and strength for Oriana. There is hope for her yet.
The bombshell about her inability to conceive is poorly executed by Bioware. Offhand I can think of three ways to circum-navigate that issue, none of which would require a stretch of the imagnation. One of the options is already avaiable to us, and the other is likely to be possible without our lifetimes.
1. Have Oriana be a egg donor. Both Miri and Oriana's kids would be genetically indistinguishable.
2. Custom-make gametes (ie. the 23 chromosomes required for an ova). It's been proven that Miranda's father has surmounted that problem in his creation of Miranda.
3. She can clone the organ affected by neoplasm. Benign tumours are common amongst women of child-bearing age even in the present day. Just clone the uterus or ovaries and replace them surgically. Problem solved.
What really endears me to Miranda is the entry of her chat with Oriana. What I see is someone who's been psychologically stunted by her father's machinations against her having friends and peers during her childhood but still trying her darnest best to act like a proper older sister. Miranda's developmental years are adversely stunted by her father to the extent that she has problems connecting to people socially, But she works her heart trying to be a source of wisdom and strength for Oriana. There is hope for her yet.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 06:00
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To those who are "complaining" (for lack of a better word) about Miranda using the extranet to "hook up," consider for a moment.
Is there any difference between going to a bar and taking a stranger home, and using the internet (extranet) for the same purpose? And also consider the double standard inherent in such knee-jerk reactions. It's perfectly acceptable for males to have sex with random women, but if a woman does it, she's a ****? Seriously, the sexual repression I'm seeing is the sad thing.
Sex is a natural part of life. There can be problems with overly random sex with multiple partners (for both genders), but those are risks, and risks can be mitigated if some thought and care goes into the process. And I can't think of Miranda doing something without thought, without taking care.
Seriously, get over the whole thing, drop the immature "Ooooh! She's a ho-bag! We have PROOFS!!!!1!!!1!one!!eleven!1!" and try to deal with the situation in a mature, thinking manner.
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Is there any difference between going to a bar and taking a stranger home, and using the internet (extranet) for the same purpose? And also consider the double standard inherent in such knee-jerk reactions. It's perfectly acceptable for males to have sex with random women, but if a woman does it, she's a ****? Seriously, the sexual repression I'm seeing is the sad thing.
Sex is a natural part of life. There can be problems with overly random sex with multiple partners (for both genders), but those are risks, and risks can be mitigated if some thought and care goes into the process. And I can't think of Miranda doing something without thought, without taking care.
Seriously, get over the whole thing, drop the immature "Ooooh! She's a ho-bag! We have PROOFS!!!!1!!!1!one!!eleven!1!" and try to deal with the situation in a mature, thinking manner.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 06:11
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As Dave Chappelle would say: Miranda isn't a ****, but she does wear a ****'s uniform.
But then, so does Samara and she's basically a Knight Errant.
That being said:
This.
My response to the Miranda's eHarmony stuff: So what?
My response to Miranda not being able to have kids: Oh, I see. That sucks.
None of those are consistent with her character. Think about how she compliments Shepard for - more or less - arriving at his greatness naturally and how she's uncomfortable with how she was created. Needless to say it also doesn't require a stretch to buy that she genuinely hoped she could conceive without medical intervention. The fact she cannot is not only consistent with her character it adds to it, especially her existential angst.
But then, so does Samara and she's basically a Knight Errant.
That being said:
ArcanistLibram wrote...
A woman with sexual experience. Shocking.
A woman who's infertile likely due to the massive genetic engineering she underwent. Also shocking.
This.
My response to the Miranda's eHarmony stuff: So what?
My response to Miranda not being able to have kids: Oh, I see. That sucks.
Elyvern wrote...
The bombshell about her inability to conceive is poorly executed by Bioware. Offhand I can think of three ways to circum-navigate that issue, none of which would require a stretch of the imagnation.
None of those are consistent with her character. Think about how she compliments Shepard for - more or less - arriving at his greatness naturally and how she's uncomfortable with how she was created. Needless to say it also doesn't require a stretch to buy that she genuinely hoped she could conceive without medical intervention. The fact she cannot is not only consistent with her character it adds to it, especially her existential angst.
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